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[charliesgrandad]

Even if you save the water (a very good idea due to the drought), you won't save the energy used to heat it.

It was never to do with saving energy, but if we want hot water in the kitchen it seemed a waste to not use the water that we were running of and we do have to water our garden regularly

 

[cmcardle75]

It was never to do with saving energy, but if we want hot water in the kitchen it seemed a waste to not use the water that we were running of and we do have to water our garden regularly

Absolutely. It is a good thing to do, particularly for water conservation in a drought. But it won't alter the fact that a dishwasher will tend to use less energy than hand dishwashing.

 

[charliesgrandad]

Absolutely. It is a good thing to do, particularly for water conservation in a drought. But it won't alter the fact that a dishwasher will tend to use less energy than hand dishwashing.

We do use a dishwasher but occasionally we need hot water for other things ie cleaning cooker and worktops after cooking

 

[cmcardle75]

We do use a dishwasher but occasionally we need hot water for other things ie cleaning cooker and worktops after cooking

Indeed. After working out just how much energy was wasted with boiling kettles (and letting them cool) and the long pipework between the hot water cylinder and the kitchen, we went for a boiling water tap, but with a 7 litre tank that also runs the "normal" hot water. We now get instant normal hot and boiling water, for less than the energy cost of using centrally heated water. The little local tank has never run out.

 

[The Wino]

Thanks for posting, The wife has printed off the list, and will now stick on the fridge, seeing it in Black & White she can now better understand the cost of running things, and not just take my word for it.
Like many we have now relegated the tumble dryer, and dishwasher to the bottom division, and haven't used them for many months. The Remoska oven is working overtime also, only use the main oven grill for short periods as needed.

I will have to check out her new steam Iron for wattage, I know its high, but how do you get her to speed up, I wonder?

I am sure it wont take long for people to realise how much their large TV's & Sky boxes, plus maybe sound systems are costing them, especially when left on standby for a month/year. We have a 42" Plasma TV, and I know its more expensive than the LED one.
Frightening to think of the even higher costs in January, if the rumoured increases take place, but we will have to wait and see what actions Liz Truss will be advised to take next week, as she is not clever enough to work it out on her own, not enough fingers to count on.
LES

Stop ironing! Since I finished work at Christmas I recon we've used the iron about 4 times for 2 items at most.

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[cmcardle75]

Stop ironing! Since I finished work at Christmas I recon we've used the iron about 4 times for 2 items at most.

I literally use the iron every 2 or 3 years these days. Weddings and funerals only. The weddings have tailed off and the funerals have not yet ramped up, luckily.

 

[Grianan]

I literally use the iron every 2 or 3 years these days. Weddings and funerals only. The weddings have tailed off and the funerals have not yet ramped up, luckily.

Only used it to iron new Ikea curtains which we washed so that we could shorten them after they shrank rather than before. Won’t need to use it again till we replace them

 

[JoeC]

Worth remembering that a proper compressor dehumidifier will produce more heat for a given amount of electricity consumed because it extracts heat from the air as latent heat.
So you get some free heat into the room.

Geoff

Sorry, that doesn't quite work. As you say it extracts heat from the air, but that's the same air that it puts it back into, so the only net gain is from the electricity input.

 

[Howard B]

I wonder how many people will start buying more energy efficient products , anyone would think high electricity prices are designed to get us to spend money

Just bought the Quest mini oven which at 650w should pay for itself over the winter. Will also be usefull in the van.

 

[diddydave]

As I mentioned in another thread was talking to a couple over the weekend who have a hot tub in the garden. They insisted they would keep it operational over the winter as the salesman told them that once it is up to temp it is so well insulated that it doesn't drop any heat when not in use. Therefore they said it won't cost much to run !

My mate had one he just sold and it was £5.50 a day

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[Howard B]

I am seriously concerned though, even with solar we ‘bought’ over 700Kw in January, @9p Kwhr then I didn’t mind much, don’t fancy it at 57p

700kWh seems a lot, do you have an electric car?

 

[Joe Murphy]

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Really interesting and important information post. Thank you.

 

[DavidG58]

700kWh seems a lot, do you have an electric car?

Nope but my background 800W consumption which I am starting to track down does add up very quickly

0.8 x 24 x 30 = 576 / month on its own before we do anything

 

[Northernraider]

A dishwasher uses 9 ltrs of water. Hand washing the same amount of stuff costs far more in energy terms.
Phil upmedishwasher.

Simple answer do what I do wash the dishes with cold water.

 

[SpeedyDux]

My Sharp fax machine with cordless handset and answering machine is destined for the tip - unless someone wants it! I understand the NHS still uses fax machines. It comes with a spare ink cartridge in its sealed packaging (OEM).

I only use the handset and answering machine features nowadays but since it gobbles 35 watts it will cost too much to keep for private use.

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[Northernraider]

Going by that list the most expensive thing will be having your lights on . £3.12 per hour for a 60w bulb .

 

[cmcardle75]

Going by that list the most expensive thing will be having your lights on . £3.12 per hour for a 60w bulb .

Only if you have 19th century style lightbulbs. I haven't had a filament bulb in any house I've ever owned or rented, which would have been from 1997. They've been banned!

Although it isn't as bad as you state. That line was in pence, not pounds!

 

[Blaydon]

Interesting points on DishWasher use. But if I did not do any dishes by hand, how would I get the oil and grease out of my finger nails after fixing the Motorhome.
Anyway, as the old advert said “Hands that do dishes ……,’.

 

[Northernraider]

Only if you have 19th century style lightbulbs. I haven't had a filament bulb in any house I've ever owned or rented, which would have been from 1997. They've been banned!

Although it isn't as bad as you state. That line was in pence, not pounds!

I don't have a house so I have none of these costs my van is solar sufficient and the months it's not I plan to be where it will be. My concern was more for my mum who still has the old style bulbs because she's stubborn. But yes you're correct I read that wrong and it appears to be 3.12 p rather than £3 which I was initially surprised at

But I'm still gonna try and get her to change all her lightbulbs

 

[cmcardle75]

I don't have a house so I have none of these costs my van is solar sufficient and the months it's not I plan to be where it will be. My concern was more for my mum who still has the old style bulbs because she's stubborn. But yes you're correct I read that wrong and it appears to be 3.12 p rather than £3 which I was initially surprised at

But I'm still gonna try and get her to change all her lightbulbs

Go round. Smash them. Then she'll have to have LEDs!

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[SpeedyDux]

Indeed. After working out just how much energy was wasted with boiling kettles (and letting them cool) and the long pipework between the hot water cylinder and the kitchen, we went for a boiling water tap, but with a 7 litre tank that also runs the "normal" hot water. We now get instant normal hot and boiling water, for less than the energy cost of using centrally heated water. The little local tank has never run out.

The cost per KWh of electricity is about 4 or 5 times that of the cost per KWh equivalent of gas, so hot water from a gas combi boiler should be cheaper despite the pipe run heat losses between boiler and kitchen tap. Only if you were using a hot water cylinder with an electric heater element would your example seem likely to make significant energy savings.

My current saving tip is to turn the boiler thermostat down to 45C for hot water. Hot enough to wash dishes by hand and have a shower.

I expect someone will say that the hot water temp needs to be 70C to eliminate Legionella. It's a risk I am willing to take.

Edit - PS I stopped using an electric kettle in the house a while ago. I use a camping whistling kettle on the gas hob instead. A large cuppa is exactly 400 ml so with the aid of a measuring jug I only boil the amount of water required each time.

 

[EMS]

I am surprised that nobody has mentioned solar water heaters, we have had in two houses with solar water panels on the roof. These do require an electric pump to circulate the water when hot enough for the hot water tank but it runs only for a short time.
As we have an induction hob and a microwave, grill and oven combined this produces meals in a most economic way.
We very rarely use any gas during the summer for hot water heating, slightly more in the spring and autumn and even in winter if there is a lot of sunshine the hot water is heated.
I was not happy when we tried to buy a washing machine for the new home that had a hot fill, they are not manufactured it seems, so in our hardwater area they are on to a good thing as not many people have water softeners.
Our current gas and electricity bill is only £88 per month on a fixed tariff, I shudder to think what it will be in September when we go onto a standard tariff.

 

[cmcardle75]

The cost per KWh of electricity is about 4 or 5 times that of the cost per KWh equivalent of gas, so hot water from a gas combi boiler should be cheaper despite the pipe run heat losses between boiler and kitchen tap. Only if you were using a hot water cylinder with an electric heater element would your example seem likely to make significant energy savings.

For most people, from October, the difference will be between 52p and 15p, which is about 3.5 times.

Exactly what the losses are for pipe runs depends on multiple factors. Local electric heating will have significantly higher efficiency than a central gas system. This may or might not overcome the price increase of electricity over gas.

Currently, we run our central hot water on off-peak electricity, which we calculate to be quite a bit more efficient than gas heating. In October, when the gas price goes up, it will be a lot cheaper than using gas. Indeed, our off-peak electricity rate will be just over half that of the gas supply.

 

[The Wino]

I don't have a house so I have none of these costs my van is solar sufficient and the months it's not I plan to be where it will be. My concern was more for my mum who still has the old style bulbs because she's stubborn. But yes you're correct I read that wrong and it appears to be 3.12 p rather than £3 which I was initially surprised at

But I'm still gonna try and get her to change all her lightbulbs

I think some got put off by the compact fluorescent ones that took a while to produce the full amount of light. Why not swap one for an led without telling her they look very similar and tell her in a couple of months

 

[Howard B]

Nope but my background 800W consumption which I am starting to track down does add up very quickly

0.8 x 24 x 30 = 576 / month on its own before we do anything

Sounds a lot. Last January in a 4 bed house we used 400kWh in the month. Expecting to use less this year as we are having to keep an eye on what we have on. Our new place ( bigger thatn the last) is currently using around 7-8 kWh per day, I would expect that to go up to 10-12kWh in the winter.

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[Northernraider]

I think some got put off by the compact fluorescent ones that took a while to produce the full amount of light. Why not swap one for an led without telling her they look very similar and tell her in a couple of months

Yes already planning that . I ordered 8 led ones this morning equivalent of 100w bulbs . I'll change them when she's not paying attention then just deny all knowledge. Her eyesight isn't that great these days anyway lol

 

[Wack]

My mate had one he just sold and it was £5.50 a day

I'd think it'd be £30-40 a day in the winter

15 years ago I bought a TV from a guy in Rugby , lovely old house which was where Frank Whittle lived in the 30s , he'd extended it with an indoor pool
I commented on how nice it was , he replied , it is but it's £100 a week to heat it and you can't turn it off because once it goes cold it takes days on full power to get it warm again which costs a fortune

I guess these days that £100 would be £500

 

[DavidG58]

Holy cow

New toy to check consumptions

Motorhome first, always on hook up, Alde off, charger and fridge on

This is fridge on then turned off

I will run a separate thread just on this finding to warn others who might do the same as me, when we paid 10p Kwhr it didn’t matter, even at 27p this will hurt, 52p no chance, fridge already turned off

I do wonder if it draws a little more power when first turned on? Will do a longer trial when I have tested a few more things

Even allowing for free electricity in daylight due to house solar, that would be 4 Kwhr / day on average through year £400 / year based on this months rates

 

[Wack]

Holy cow

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New toy to check consumptions

Motorhome first, always on hook up, Alde off, charger and fridge on

This is fridge on then turned off

I will run a separate thread just on this finding to warn others who might do the same as me, when we paid 10p Kwhr it didn’t matter, even at 27p this will hurt, 52p no chance, fridge already turned off

I do wonder if it draws a little more power when first turned on? Will do a longer trial when I have tested a few more things

Even be allowing for free electricity in daylight due to house solar, that would be 4 Kwhr / day on average through year £400 / year based on this months rates

If it's at ambient temperature when you turn it on it'll be on full power until it's cool then just on maintain

 

[DavidG58]

If it's at ambient temperature when you turn it on it'll be on full power until it's cool then just on maintain

That’s Dometic for you then as inefficient and they are dysfunctional the fridge / freezer was already very cold, just turned off long enough to insert monitoring device

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