Terry
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I think I read that Amazon leccy vans have a range of a little over 100 miles ?
2030 no new diesel vans. What's your plan?
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Most new vans have a 100-150 mile range as that is all the the vast majority of users needs.We may have to wait quite a while before our small market segment needs are taken into account.
They have limited batteries currently so they will design a van that most of the market can use and put those batteries to those. It will be quite a while until they have a surplus of batteries and the market is big enough to support the development of a long range van.
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Not such an issue if Hydrogen was used.
Terry
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An engine weights must knock a good bit off ,also gearbox ?
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And no shortage either.
Terry
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No fuel either
But local work only, very limited range, as has always been the issue, just look at the old electric milk floatsNo idea what I'm talking about SD but we are beginning to see large numbers of Amazon delivery vans and others which are totally electric. Would this suggest that some vans are already available for conversion to motorhomes.
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well --- in 2030 i will probably steal a decent electric van , change the plates and the colour and head south , till they find me .
oh dear -thats only 9 years away - better make that 2040 then.
doesn't time fly?
oh dear -thats only 9 years away - better make that 2040 then.
doesn't time fly?
These are the spec of the Arrival electric van. https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/news/2021/arrival-electric-van/
Electric vans can be driven on a standard car licence up to 4.25 tons, which is why using an ali chassis and composite panels on the short range it has a payload of nearly 2 tons.
The interesting bit from the specs is the weight of the battery, to go from 67kwh to 139kwh increases the kerb weight by 360kg so roughly speaking the 67kwh battery weighs 350kg for roughly a 100 mile range. To increase the range to what a petrol van could do (500miles) would mean the batteries would weigh somewhere around 1750kg.
Electric vans can be driven on a standard car licence up to 4.25 tons, which is why using an ali chassis and composite panels on the short range it has a payload of nearly 2 tons.
The interesting bit from the specs is the weight of the battery, to go from 67kwh to 139kwh increases the kerb weight by 360kg so roughly speaking the 67kwh battery weighs 350kg for roughly a 100 mile range. To increase the range to what a petrol van could do (500miles) would mean the batteries would weigh somewhere around 1750kg.
| Battery size | 67kWh | 89kWh | 111kWh | 139kWh |
| Driving range | 112 miles | 149 miles | 180 miles | 211 miles |
| Gross vehicle weight | 4,250kg | |||
| Kerb weight | 2,275kg | 2,395kg | 2,515kg | 2,635kg |
| Max payload | 1,975kg | 1,855kg | 1,735kg | 1,615kg |
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Terry Gill
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Add to this 1250kg of A Class coachwork, 90kg of fuel and you’ll have virtually no payload at all. Plus range will be massively less than shown here.
The problem being discussed is valid. However I am worried about using a MH after electric takes over. My favourite haunt is Greece. In simple terms I manage to get to the south of the Peloponnese in 5 days. With an electric range of 250 miles (say) it would take me 10 stops at least. If lucky I might be able to stop overnight at a charging point. If not it could easily cause me to stop an extra day or two.
By which time the average motorhome owner should really start on the way back home. End of Greek holiday.
The future is electric and the future is bleak.
By which time the average motorhome owner should really start on the way back home. End of Greek holiday.
The future is electric and the future is bleak.
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I had to smile at that comment
It might get better
Our MH is on Patmos, near Turkey, having driven from Poland, so we would have similar concerns in an EV.
Apart from the EV aspect I am interested in your attachment to the Peloponnese. I know the eastern coast from sailing in Greece for 30 years.
The reason we have a MH now is to be able to tour the interior of Europe, including Greece, so after we return to Patmos, do 2 more weeks there, we will ferry back to Piraeus and spend 2 weeks in the Peloponnese before ferry from Patras.
Do have any recommendations, or even a travel blog, for anywhere West of Naphlion? We are not looking for ancients sites, more coastal or rural areas with good tavernas and just parking not campsites.
I already know pjay's excellent map and Tam's blog, but wonder if you can add to that, please.
Eff 'aristo, para poly
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Terry
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Would it be possible to use solar to help charge ? No idea on voltage on leccy vehicles but assume they are not 12v 
The changeover to EVs will not be painless. A lot of what we do now may not be possible. Restrictions on the use of ICE will increase. In the example given by Krumpli would it really affect many people if the distance one can drive is limited to 250 miles in a day? On a scale of concerns that should be pretty low down.
No, the amount of solar you could fit on a van roof would not be enough to make even a minor dent in an EV's requirements.Would it be possible to use solar to help charge ? No idea on voltage on leccy vehicles but assume they are not 12v
In fact. In an EV motorhome it is likely you will get rid of the solar panels and leisure battery and just use the vehicle battery for the habitation stuff.
A 100AH lead acid battery equates to 1200Wh or 1.2KWh of storage. With under half of that being usable.
With a 50KWh battery in the van, you would use less than 1% of the battery to get the same amount of battery usage.
For me I can foresee me stopping at the nearest supercharger to a campsite, blatting it back up to 100% then foregoing sites with hookups or not paying the extra if it is an option.
Going off hookup will be much easier in an EV van.
No way will we ever have an electric motorhome , we won't be able to afford it .
Besides long term we will be buying a static in the lakes or the Dales and just spend the summers down there .
I'll be hanging on to our very low mileage petrol engine Skoda which is our second car and very economical until were forced to change to a battery powered vehicle .
If we want some winter sun I'll rent an apartment through the Winter months in Spain and just fly out
Besides long term we will be buying a static in the lakes or the Dales and just spend the summers down there .
I'll be hanging on to our very low mileage petrol engine Skoda which is our second car and very economical until were forced to change to a battery powered vehicle .
If we want some winter sun I'll rent an apartment through the Winter months in Spain and just fly out
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Not to mention Airbus and Boeing not having a useable alternative to fossil fuels, nor F1 with all its jet setting!
Cheers James
Hydrogen for long distance airlines, batteries for short and medium range.
F1 will probably move to some synthetic green fuel.
Terry
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Hi Karl,
As I understand they use 300 to 450 KW motors and batts can be charged using 110 / 220 / or 440 v super chargers. SPs kick out a lot more than 12v it's the charge controller that limits it to 12 v ish . Not sure on how much SP do kick out,just wondered if tech was able to do anything to help charge ?
Edit agree that vehicle battery could/ would be used but battery tech would need to improve a lot.
What's this new battery tech by Toyota ?
The voltage is not the limiting factor it is the power output. Most vans couldn't carry enough solar panels to make a decent dent in an EV sized battery pack. The extra weight and wind resistance would more than likely offset enough of the gains to make them unpractical. It is why you don't see solar panels on any commercial mass market cars. Just not enough surface area to have a significant impact on range over a day.
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Hardly progress really.
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Who says this distance is limited to 250 miles in a day?
250 miles. charge for 40 minutes then another 250 miles. 500 miles in one day should be enough for most people surely?
glenn2926
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Again, hardly progress. I can do 500 miles on a tank and then refill for another 500 miles in about five minutes.
Charging will get faster. Solid state batteries may be around by 2030. But a one hour stop every 200 miles is not such an inconvenience. The vehicle heater/air-con (heat pump) will be able to do the habitation space and the vehicle battery will power the fridge, hot water, cooking, 240V AC (down from the 500V DC) so lose a lot of complexity and weight. No more gas checks and discussions about LPG vs Calor, different cylinders in europe etc.
Technology changes.
1920s.
1930s
There's perhaps 10 years development between those two tractors. Add another 10 years and you're into Grey Fergies and a proper 3 point hitch which fundamentally revolutionised agriculture and feeding the world.
We are at the early stages of usable EVs just now. But be assured that we will have adffordable electric tractors, HGVs and Mohos in the near future. There are already electric trucks and tractors. They will just get bigger and more powerful and more usable.
History tells us that there is only one-way traffic in technological development (better, faster, smaller, cheaper) - and in the people saying today "it'll never happen, it'll never work, it'll never be affordable" etc, I hear echoes of people 100 years ago complaining they needed to refuel their ICE multiple times a day, when their horse needed feeding once.
Depends on how you define progress. No pollution and quieter, smooth, more reliable drive.
I have NEVER done 500 miles in one stint without stopping for half an hour for food/drink/toilet break.
3 hours is about right for a stop for most sensible drivers 4 at the outside on a longer leg of a journey.
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