1,500 € Lithium

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Tim McGann

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I was just quoted that price for a 100 Ah Lithium battery by my German dealer. It would be a replacement for two AGM batteries that come as standard equipment on my MH. From everything I can see this price is way out of line. Am I missing something?
 
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Jev88 said:
Ah. No worries. (y) Not encountered Super B. Will investigate now.
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SuperB LifePo4 Lithium Batteries for sale

I have 2 x 90ah SuperB Epsilon LifePo4 batteries for sale, these are fitted to my Rapido i1090 Distinction A Class motorhome which was registered 1st March 2022. They are obviously as brand new condition with built in BMS and regarded as being...
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So as carthago fit the 90ah super B (I think) if you fit that at the factory is it a better option than fitting a 100ah roamer/eco power/ks retrospectively by oneself (not me obviously, I struggle with a battery swap in a smoke alarm) which I assume would be a lot cheaper. I’m just trying to see the benefits of spending say £1500 on a 90ah super B when you could fit a 230ah roamer for less🤷‍♂️
Maybe I should do less thinking🤔
 
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WESTY66 said:
So as carthago fit the 90ah super B (I think) if you fit that at the factory is it a better option than fitting a 100ah roamer/eco power/ks retrospectively by oneself (not me obviously, I struggle with a battery swap in a smoke alarm) which I assume would be a lot cheaper. I’m just trying to see the benefits of spending say £1500 on a 90ah super B when you could fit a 230ah roamer for less🤷‍♂️
Maybe I should do less thinking🤔
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If I was you I would fit the underseat roamer 230ah and save some space and Dosh 👍🏻
 
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WESTY66 said:
So as carthago fit the 90ah super B (I think) if you fit that at the factory is it a better option than fitting a 100ah roamer/eco power/ks retrospectively by oneself (not me obviously, I struggle with a battery swap in a smoke alarm) which I assume would be a lot cheaper. I’m just trying to see the benefits of spending say £1500 on a 90ah super B when you could fit a 230ah roamer for less🤷‍♂️
Maybe I should do less thinking🤔
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£1700 on a Carthago but you do get the correct mains charger. :xrofl:
They are one of the best batteries going & if you like those stupid pod coffee makers you can run one off the 90ah without tripping the BMS.

If you are spending 300k plus on a Morelo I can see the point, might as well have the best but hard to justify on a more downmarket van.
When my Carthago comes it will probably get a Fogstar or a DIY build.
 
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Lenny HB said:
if you like those stupid pod coffee makers you can run one off the 90ah without tripping the BMS.
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What about a decent bean to cup machine?? Asking for a friend:xwink:

Apologies to the op I digress🙄

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Lenny HB said:
£1700 on a Carthago but you do get the correct mains charger. :xrofl:
They are one of the best batteries going & if you like those stupid pod coffee makers you can run one off the 90ah without tripping the BMS.

If you are spending 300k plus on a Morelo I can see the point, might as well have the best but hard to justify on a more downmarket van.
When my Carthago comes it will probably get a Fogstar or a DIY build.
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The 90ah from SuperB is a different battery to the rest of the range, the 90ah is an Epsilon uses cylindrical cells and they market it as a "drop in replacement" for lead acid? it certainly has different temperature characteristics to the Nomia range in that it can be charged at -10 deg C as opposed to 0 deg C on the Nomia which uses prismatic cells.

I know with Morelo who fit the Nomia they automatically fit a B2B/ladebooster at 90amps and 120 amp mains charger as part of the Lithium package, do you automatically get the B2B and associated wiring from Carthago when you go Lithium or is this missing as they use the Epsilon.

This might have a bearing on anybody's decision re fitting a bigger battery aftermarket which may well need B2B and uprated wiring vs a factory fit if it has already been optimised.
 
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funflair said:
The 90ah from SuperB is a different battery to the rest of the range, the 90ah is an Epsilon uses cylindrical cells and they market it as a "drop in replacement" for lead acid? it certainly has different temperature characteristics to the Nomia range in that it can be charged at -10 deg C as opposed to 0 deg C on the Nomia which uses prismatic cells.

I know with Morelo who fit the Nomia they automatically fit a B2B/ladebooster at 90amps and 120 amp mains charger as part of the Lithium package, do you automatically get the B2B and associated wiring from Carthago when you go Lithium or is this missing as they use the Epsilon.

This might have a bearing on anybody's decision re fitting a bigger battery aftermarket which may well need B2B and uprated wiring vs a factory fit if it has already been optimised.
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I know they change the mains charger on Carthago, I don't know it they upgrade the standard B2B.
 
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funflair said:
I know with Morelo who fit the Nomia they automatically fit a B2B/ladebooster at 90amps and 120 amp mains charger as part of the Lithium package
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I’ve wondered if i’d benefit from a larger B2B tbh and would there be any drawbacks such as alternator fitment.

Mines a 40ah. Redarc B2B so what would he your thoughts Martin
 
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Not all lithium batteries are the same. Just like lead acid batteries there are differences in construction. The first basic difference is cell type, some use cylindrical cells others use prismatic ones. Cylindrical cells are considered better but are less compact so battery size may be a bit larger. Some manufacturers use properly matched cells which reduces their reliance on cell balancing. I suspect there are also differences in the quality of the electronics inside the batteries but I am in no position to confirm this.

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Al n Val said:
I’ve wondered if i’d benefit from a larger B2B tbh and would there be any drawbacks such as alternator fitment.

Mines a 40ah. Redarc B2B so what would he your thoughts Martin
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The benefit of a larger B2B is obviously faster charge times when driving, if you don't need this then there would be no benefit.

As to the question what you could fit/have fitted to you van and what if any drawback? I don't know enough about your alternator spec and wiring to comment but of course more amps will be more stress on everything.

I guess that's why I put my faith in Morelo to design and spec the bits for me, all I had to do was part with the cash and cross my fingers.
 
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Lenny HB said:
I know they change the mains charger on Carthago, I don't know it they upgrade the standard B2B.
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From memory, when I looked at the spec sheets the b2b wasn't mentioned, pretty sure I was told it didn't change. Turned out the Iveco models do not have a b2b at all since it is not a smart alternator. I would not have chosen the Carthago Lithium option though, the capacity they offer is still a bit low I think. We ended up buying a dealer stock van rather than waiting an unspecified time and this came with 3 80AH gels (they offer up to 4) and twin 16amp CBE chargers. We changed that to 430AH lithium and 120AH charging - we put in a b2b mainly to protect the 16mm cable that I will upgrade at some point when its not cold and wet. We did not go for a particularly expensive battery having had 2 Mastervolt Lithium MLI Ultra 6000 before and lost out when a cell crapped out just after the warranty expired. Once bitten......
 
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AdrianChen said:
From memory, when I looked at the spec sheets the b2b wasn't mentioned, pretty sure I was told it didn't change. Turned out the Iveco models do not have a b2b at all since it is not a smart alternator. I would not have chosen the Carthago Lithium option though, the capacity they offer is still a bit low I think. We ended up buying a dealer stock van rather than waiting an unspecified time and this came with 3 80AH gels (they offer up to 4) and twin 16amp CBE chargers. We changed that to 430AH lithium and 120AH charging - we put in a b2b mainly to protect the 16mm cable that I will upgrade at some point when its not cold and wet. We did not go for a particularly expensive battery having had 2 Mastervolt Lithium MLI Ultra 6000 before and lost out when a cell crapped out just after the warranty expired. Once bitten......
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The Iveco models will/would be smart alternator but I understand that it is possible to write the smart function out of the ECU so possibly that was done, I know when Iveco first started fitting smart alternators N+B had them on their Flair range but the Gel hab batteries didn't charge until N+B instructed the local Iveco dealer to programme out the smart function.
 
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Ditcha said:
If I was you I would fit the underseat roamer 230ah and save some space and Dosh 👍🏻
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But wouldn’t I have to mess about with the charger, solar controller (now I have bought a bloody votronic 430 duo 😤😤😤) and a b2b it all adds up, then there’s the diesel down to Lenny HB HQ to get it all fitted with the waste valve and camera!!💰💰💰💰💰

I still have a hankering for a wall of blue, but don’t want to relocate the big victron battery to a useful locker🤔🤔
 
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funflair said:
The Iveco models will/would be smart alternator but I understand that it is possible to write the smart function out of the ECU so possibly that was done, I know when Iveco first started fitting smart alternators N+B had them on their Flair range but the Gel hab batteries didn't charge until N+B instructed the local Iveco dealer to programme out the smart function.
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It makes sense to have the "smart" control built into the ecu rather than the alternator itself. Thanks for clarifying, so now I might think about a bigger alternator.......................
 
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Ditcha said:
You know this makes sense votronic is no where near victron it terms of flexibility 💙
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I always liked the Votronics on the Flair but when the new ones wouldn't work on the Morelo with Lithium I went Victron instead, one "blue" controller was the price of two Votronics but had the extra capacity to cope and I have to say "a lot more features" (y) I might just be a convert.
 
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Pausim said:
Not all lithium batteries are the same. Just like lead acid batteries there are differences in construction. The first basic difference is cell type, some use cylindrical cells others use prismatic ones.
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Plus there's a third option of course with some using pouch cells.

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Pouch cells are a version of prismatic with a softer skin and easier to shape. I didn’t know anyone used them in LiFePO4 leisure batteries but they are even lighter and are useful in drones and other light weight applications.
 
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Renogy are using pouch cells in their Smart 100Ah battery, pictured. Eco-Worthy do too although they don't encase them in a smart aluminium case like Renogy do, they just wrap them in clingfilm.. :LOL:

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gt1949 said:
Renogy are using pouch cells in their Smart 100Ah battery, pictured. Eco-Worthy do too although they don't encase them in a smart aluminium case like Renogy do, they just wrap them in clingfilm.. :LOL:

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You,ll find most of the cheaper Chinese pre assembled jobbies are using pouch cells.
 
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Blimey, lithium is a minefield, i think I might stick to gels🤔🤔

At least i can use the votronic 430 duo :xThumb:
 
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