American XL Bully dogs to be banned in the UK (1 Viewer)

[EuroTrotters]

Just flashed up on my newsfeed

BBC news says the PM States the breed needs to be defined first

 

[scotjimland]

no brainer...

in the news today, another man killed

Man attacked by two dogs near school in Stonnall dies

A man suffers fatal injuries when attacked by two dogs in a street near a school in Staffordshire.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Guigsy]

It's unclear, but it might already be caught under existing rules as an oversized American Pitbull... which is already banned.

 

[golly]

The problem is identifying the breed. The same will happen as with the American Pit Bull, they will just cross breed it with another breed and then it's not a XL bully. I think XLs came about because of the pit bull ban, they just crossed it with another aggressive breed. I don't profess to know what the answer is, but I don't think a ban is necessarily it.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Especially when the owners are unable to control them

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[pappajohn]

Any dog with a chav on the other end of the lead should be banned.
You'll never see a chav with a poodle......not 'ard enough.

 

[Guigsy]

Any dog with a chav on the other end of the lead should be banned.
You'll never see a chav with a poodle......not 'ard enough.

I see plenty of fashion pups, accessory dogs and handbag matchers around.

 

[fat haggis]

It’s more the owner than the dog.

 

[Guigsy]

It’s more the owner than the dog.

It's true that a well informed and good owner wouldn't allow this to happen. But there's no competency test for dog ownership. These dogs do have a faster trigger than other breeds. And the consequences of it going sideways is a lot higher with one of these dogs than a spaniel.

 

[pappajohn]

I see plenty of fashion pups, accessory dogs and handbag matchers around.

Not in the hands of a chav you don't.
That's the domain of the Essex girl.

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[Guigsy]

Not in the hands of a chav you don't.
That's the domain of the Essex girl.

Aren't they chavs too?

 

[Ridgeway]

This is not a “blame the owner” topic. Loaded firearms in K9 form shouldn’t be on the streets or in public spaces etc. On private land and for doing a particular job then fine but on the street is a no from me.

Not sure what “ban“ means in this context as i have no bad wishes for these animals, so restrict where they can go is a big yes.

 

[aria]

Trouble is the scumbags will just x-breed something else that’s just as horrible & dangerous.

IMO, what’s needed is proper penalties for those whose dog attacks people or other animals. As in proper jail time, not just banned from keeping a dog for whatever many years.

 

[jockaneezer]

Especially when the owners are unable to control them


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Help me out here, on which end of the leads are the pit bulls ?

 

[steve69]

Most dogs can be trained to attack by the owner. The owners of these dogs -after any attack - should be jailed.

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[Guigsy]

Trouble is the scumbags will just x-breed something else that’s just as horrible & dangerous.

IMO, what’s needed is proper penalties for those whose dog attacks people or other animals. As in proper jail time, not just banned from keeping a dog for whatever many years.

Laws are already in place. You can be jailed for many years if your dog injures or kills.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

The requirement for a dog licence was done away with when the "mad handbag " was in charge back in 1987, probably under pressure from "Brenda" due to the excessive cost of licensing all them Corgi's.
A licence system should be brought back, but not for the dog, but the keeper/owner of the mutt. The potential owner should be required to attend a course on dog care and handling with a test at the end to establish that this person has the financial where with all and knowledge to keep an animal in a safe and cared for manner. This legislation should apply to any equivalent animal that can be trained to carry out malicious acts against people or other animals.
Mike.

 

[Steve and Denise]

I think if you look at the type of person that has these dogs they tend to be at the lower intelligence level, so the decision should be taken for them

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

Especially when the owners are unable to control them


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Had a woman in Switzerland with 2 Alsatian type dogs that as soon as they see another dog went mental and she was then trying to keep hold of them, definitely if they wanted they could both have broken free

 

[Googlebot]

It’s a really simple case of banning the buying and selling of dogs unless you are a licensed breeder.

The problem is the backyard breeders who keep producing these horrible dogs for the idiots of society.

Thoughts with the poor victims family.

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[Dutch 68]

Trouble is the scumbags will just x-breed something else that’s just as horrible & dangerous.

IMO, what’s needed is proper penalties for those whose dog attacks people or other animals. As in proper jail time, not just banned from keeping a dog for whatever many years.

Nailed that right on the head, anytime a dog attacks anything, human or other animal should automatically be a 20 year sentence per victim, those dogs are more dangerous then a automatic machine gun so why the government hasn’t yet banned a whole load of those breeds is anyone’s guess, pure madness, those types of dogs are always owned by the kind of people everyone tries to avoid at night…….

 

[Tombola]

Had a woman in Switzerland with 2 Alsatian type dog

did you now !!!!...and what she was holding the 2 dogs at the time....
Fair play to ya both.. the dogs woukd have defo put me off. Woof

 

[Tombola]

It's usually a fault of the owner.

Many a poor dog has been put down due to its owner.

Thing is most dogs will/can turn so when you have one that has almost the strength of a lion it's wrong.

There's many a jack Russell or chewowha that has turned on or snapped at kids. That's not too bad, scratches maybe... but an XL bully ???

 

[Guigsy]

According to the stats, the breed that bites the most people... Dachshund. But a sausage dog doesn't tend to cause critical injuries.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

did you now !!!!...and what she was holding the 2 dogs at the time....
Fair play to ya both.. the dogs woukd have defo put me off. Woof

Did all three have hairy pits?
Mike.

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[Ava the Adria]

Its all a distraction, no need to change the law. There's ample existing legislation to deal with these type of incidents under Section 3A Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. Section 3A was an amendment brought in to deal with harms caused by dogs dangerously out of control including on private premises. Sentencing guidelines would appear to be the issue.

The main issue with banning a breed is identifying it as alluded to when Sunak made his announcement. There are so many dogs in pounds now because "experts" can't decide if it fits the breed type of which ever banned breed it is accused of being. So whilst banning a breed is an option, it would be far simpler to up the penalties to serious jail time for having a "dog dangerously out of control" so that even the chavs realise they don't want to pay the penalty when someone gets hurt by their trophy dog. Problem is, courts have "guidance"

Owner or person in charge of a dog dangerously out of control in any place in England or Wales (whether or not a public place) where death is caused – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk

 

[Guigsy]

As proved time and time again, increasing penalties such as adding more jail time has very little effect on offender's behaviour. "It won't happen to me" or "I won't get caught" or "it was fine last time, so it'll be fine this time" prevails. People aren't good at assessing risk.

 

[Gromett]

And another attack. thankfully not fatal this time.

Greenwich: Toddler bitten by dog thought to be bully XL

A 29-year-old man is charged with being in charge of a dangerously out control dog.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[seasideBill]

And another attack. thankfully not fatal this time.

Greenwich: Toddler bitten by dog thought to be bully XL

A 29-year-old man is charged with being in charge of a dangerously out control dog.

www.bbc.co.uk

Comments like “not thought to be life-changing” make me wonder. We all declare our sympathy for the toddler and family concerned, tut-tut the irresponsible owner and move on. However, having suffered such a horrible attack, I wonder what the long-term effects of such trauma are? You can’t go anywhere in the UK without encountering dogs, quite a few of them running free. I imagine it could make life tricky for anybody who has suffered a dog attack.

 

[RobertJary]

t’s more the owner than the dog.

But you can't ..... the owner.

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