Yet another ridiculous speed limit.

It won't be long before they put Speed humps on the motorways over here!
 
cmcardle75 said:
But even well rested, 50mph on an empty dual carriageway will send people to sleep.
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Doubt it,,,You would struggle in France if not on Autoroutes then,,its either 50 mph or 55 mph.BUSBY.
 
busby said:
Doubt it,,,You would struggle in France if not on Autoroutes then,,its either 50 mph or 55 mph.BUSBY.
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N/D roads aren't so bad as there are junctions and curves to keep the stimulation levels up. It's the unique lack of stimulation on limited access divided highway that is the issue. The human brain needs more than "keep between the lines" to stay at peak performance.
 
tribalbrit said:
If all motorists were forced to pass a test on a motorcycle before being allowed a car licence the roads would be a far far safer place.
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Yeah. Coz there'd be a lot fewer cars as its a tough test ;)
 
Nyvern said:
How do German drivers manage to survive with some areas with no speed limit?
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The answer is a lot of them don't! The fatality rate in Germany was about 30% higher than the UK and serious injury rate double. They have conducted several experimental speed limiting zones and had to admit the casualty rates dropped. Certainly when we lived there we found autobahn restrictions around most of the major cities and generally a fairly disciplined attitude to restrictions. Additionally a large chunk of the autobahn network is in poor repair and I found travelling in excess of 100mph physically uncomfortable.

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Funnymunny said:
Rumour has it that Drakeford would like to see the return of every vehicle having a man walking in front with a red flag in Wales
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I heard last week that the 20mph limit is being rolled out from September this year and also the tourist tax is in it's final stages of being ratified :doh:
 
Yorick said:
It's 20 mph in towns here. Guess what?
Nobody is complaining.

You'll only lose a few seconds of your life
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At that speed you will produce more pollution, at 30 mph I can drive on cruise control and can keep to the speed limit, however 20 is too slow for cruise so would probably end up at 25 most of the time so if the put up speed cameras they will be catching a lot of drivers and making lots of money !!! Probably the reason they are doing it.
 
PaulyP said:
At that speed you will produce more pollution, at 30 mph I can drive on cruise control and can keep to the speed limit, however 20 is too slow for cruise so would probably end up at 25 most of the time so if the put up speed cameras they will be catching a lot of drivers and making lots of money !!! Probably the reason they are doing it.
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We have had 20 limits on residential roads in the borough for many years. Mobile speed cameras are used but only from time to time in known problem areas to catch the morons who think that limits only apply to others.
 
Have changed my mind on this recently. We have had over 2000 houses added to a sub 1000 home village, the main road through the village had become almost impossible to join from the side roads despite the 30mph limit. This has now been reduced to 20 and life is a lot easier. Can see the benefit in built up areas with lots of side roads.

On the subject of travelling at 20mph, its easy if you have a speed limiter, just set it to 22.

Regarding 40 being less polluting than 20, it depends on the car and the gear selected. Surely pollution isn't dependant on speed, but engine revs. So if your revs are the same or lower at 20 than 40 then it's better, or the other way round. This really depends on the gear ratios selected by the manufacturer.

Presumably using the pollution argument, EV's and other zero pollution (when driving) vehicles should have a different speed limit!
 
there is little adherence to 30mph so unless 20 mph is going to be policed more it is unlikely to make a massive impact.
However, I believe the reason behind it is to do with pedestrian safety in that at 20 mph a pedestrian is more likely to have no life changing injuries, not reduced pollution.

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Phill D said:
there is little adherence to 30mph so unless 20 mph is going to be policed more it is unlikely to make a massive impact.
However, I believe the reason behind it is to do with pedestrian safety in that at 20 mph a pedestrian is more likely to have no life changing injuries, not reduced pollution.
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Pedestrian safety is the reason in this area. The scheme is largely self-policing with only certain roads needing periodic visits from camera vans. Of course there are the morons who care only for themselves but that will probably always be the case and most people comply.
 
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GJH said:
Pedestrian safety is the reason in this area. The scheme is largely self-policing with only certain roads needig periodic visits from camera vans. Of course there are the morons who care only for themselves but that will probably always be the case and most people comply.
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It’s the twice daily school dash that’s the main problem in our village.
The last minute dash , can’t be late parents who would be the first to criticise should there be an incident.
Speed and common sense go completely out of the window.
 
GJH said:
We have had 20 limits on residential roads in the borough for many years. Mobile speed cameras are used but only from time to time in known problem areas to catch the morons who think that limits only apply to others.
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I regularly go through a 20 area, I find it difficult to keep to 20, often find I creep up to 22/23, but there are a lot who totally ignore it thinking it is 30 and they should therefore do 35.
 
Yorick said:
It's 20 mph in towns here. Guess what?
Nobody is complaining.

You'll only lose a few seconds of your life
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20 on the estate where I live - it works well. In fact there are streets where 20 is too fast. On streets with cars parked on one or both sides 20 is pushing it when there are kids or pets in the mix.
 
Yorick said:
It's 20 mph in towns here. Guess what?
Nobody is complaining.

You'll only lose a few seconds of your life
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Agree and you might prevent somebody from losing all of theirs.

Should be twenty in resi areas (dwellings on both sides), outside schools and anywhere there is a propensity for people to dash out into the road.

However the Government plan to reduce the National Speed Limit to 64mph is bonkers. Motorway speeds should all be variable. Driving at 70 in the rain on a rush hour M25 is stupid. But equally, driving at 70 on an empty five lane M1 is also stupid. Motorway speeds were determined in December 1965. At that time, the most common car in UK roads was the Austin 1100 (including the Morris 1100, Wollesley 1100 and Vanden Plas 1100). It had 48bhp and could just about creep up to 70mph. Nowadays, most cars could get close to a ton. Even Mrs DDJCs soppy little Suzuki Ignis spud car can break the law (tested in France on the peage).

I like the French idea of 130kmph in the dry, 110kmph in the wet. It works for them. So, 70mph in the wet, 80 in the dry.

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These 20 mph zones cause a lot of frustration. The end of my road is a T junction where it joins a B road that feeds the A4, about 100 yards after it changes from 20 mph to 30 mph. The result is that drivers floor the accelerator as they approach my junction when I am trying to get out. Added to which there is a bus stop a few yards further along, and the road width reduces at secondary school chucking out time; too many mums collecting their offspring who are too lazy to walk or cycle home. Maybe that's an argument for making the whole length of that road a 20 mph zone. The frustration would be delayed until the main roundabout where the B road meets the A4 by-pass. That roundabout already has a lot of accidents. A minority seem to want to hurtle round it, then take the by-pass at over 100 mph for the next mile. A brief thrill for them.
 
PaulyP said:
I regularly go through a 20 area, I find it difficult to keep to 20, often find I creep up to 22/23, but there are a lot who totally ignore it thinking it is 30 and they should therefore do 35.
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We live on a road with a 20 limit and have no problem keeping it within the limit, often more like 15 if there are cars parked both sides.
 
DDJC said:
However the Government plan to reduce the National Speed Limit to 64mph is bonkers.
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That's merely a committee proposal, not a government plan - one of a number of measures aimed at reducing pollution rather than anything to do with speed for the sake of it.
 
GJH said:
We live on a road with a 20 limit and have no problem keeping it within the limit, often more like 15 if there are cars parked both sides.
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Most of the time I’m doing less than 20, which is easy as I drive an automatic, but there are times when you can drift up without realising it.
 
Wales is becoming a terrible place to visit, shame as some of the roads in North Wales are better than Englands third world roads.

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