X250 scuttle drain improvisation.

[Neckender]

On the X250 it's under the floor in front of Passenger seat.

John.

 

[Brian_K]

Pretty sure the cab is the same with little change. The battery is under the passengers feet.(right foot)
http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/x250-cab-battery-change-in-pictures.78883/

Got it, thanks. Was looking under the hood as per my 2004 Symbol.

Brian

 

[GWAYGWAY]

I had the same problems with th Ford Transit on my chausson , it allowed water down the scuttle over the rubber on to the cylinder head where it pooled over the injectors leaving them in standing water 3mm deep. answer was to make bigger holes and many more in the tray and then fabricate a alloy tray the covered the flat head top and sloped to the side taking the waster down the side of the block, I then sikasealed a rubber strip to the other side and front to keep all the water from the head, works fine and the injectors remain free of water. It make you wonder if the designers have any real experience other than the production ease , when the do these things.

 

[Charlie123]

Not up to speed with why you are putting these drains in ? I see you are using silicone tube ends ? Why not use black ones ?

 

[Neckender]

Not up to speed with why you are putting these drains in ? I see you are using silicone tube ends ? Why not use black ones ?

The drains that are fitted are totally inadequate also the scuttle seals are made of flimsy foam which let all the rain water run on the engine cover and drip on to the electronics. There have been loads of threads on this on quite a few forums Charlie.

John.

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[Charlie123]

The drains that are fitted are totally inadequate also the scuttle seals are made of flimsy foam which let all the rain water run on the engine cover and drip on to the electronics. There have been loads of threads on this on quite a few forums Charlie.

John.

Thanks John.. Our MH is a late 2013 Boxer based van so will sort this out.

I remember some time ago Vauxhall I think it was had water running over the injectors making them impossible to remove. Wondered if it was something like that.

 

[TheBig1]

The drains that are fitted are totally inadequate also the scuttle seals are made of flimsy foam which let all the rain water run on the engine cover and drip on to the electronics. There have been loads of threads on this on quite a few forums Charlie.

John.

Not up to speed with why you are putting these drains in ? I see you are using silicone tube ends ? Why not use black ones ?

the original design throttle body was one of the major components ruined by water overflowing from the scuttle. The other was the fusebox,
the updated design of throttle body is apparently less susceptible to water ingress but the fusebox can get vet wet still. I keep a rubber floor mat over the fusebox to direct water over the inner wing. may be belt and braces but after suffering a flooded fusebox before, better safe than sorry. A mechanic working on my van from me saw the mat and commented it was a good precaution as he had dealt with a few ducatos with wet electrics

 

[Techno]

The part found by @GAVLAD is certainly doing the job
Today as ice melts off the windscreen

 

[Bart]

The part found by @GAVLAD is certainly doing the job
Today as ice melts off the windscreen
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After much much reading on the engine compartment water problems on the Fiat etc i am going to try to address this issue on my Bessacarr E560.
However i have spent the last few hrs tying to source 1 of the scuttle drain panels ( the one pictured above ) , i have tried searching online for citroen parts using the part no. 6454.66 but have had no joy. does anyone have a link to this item anywhere that i can buy it from? or point me in the right direction. i live in N.Ireland.
below are some pics of my engine bay , only 11k miles and looks like its done 11000k
Is that the injectors that are rusted or the heater plugs ?
And if i stop the water from dripping onto the engine will the corrosion on the aluminium engine cover continue to get worse and cause a problem ?



Also is this the part i read about where water can be sucked into the turbo ? is this the air intake for the turbo as i see there is water gathered there.

 

[Bart]

actcually think i might of found the part , a citroen dealer sent me this picture which relates to part no. 6454.66 its described as "water evacuation pipe" but not sure if the plactic part looks the right thing.. he supplied me with that picture based on the part number i gave him , no idea what vehicle it was listed for.
Any idea's before i take a chance and order the part.
p.s the price he quoted was £27.86

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[Techno]

Yes that is it. Gavlad got it from a Citroen dealer for me. The other question, it's the cab ventilation air intake

 

[Techno]

 

[Bart]

@Techno thanks for the swift reply will order one today , im just after ordering 2 mtrs of the rubber strip "P41"
If thats the cab air intake should i bother putting a drain in it ?
Also where is it that the water can cause a problem with the turbo that i have read about ,, or is that water getting into the electrics side of things can wreck the turbo ?
Thanks

 

[Techno]

It's already got a drain. Marked as 15 on your picture. No idea about the turbo

 

[Bart]

part ordered should me here Tuesday

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[tonyidle]

If you Google for "scuttle drain" you'll find problems aren't limited to Fiats. My daughters Audi A3 had the battery, wiper assembly, and a fuse & electronics module all in the scuttle tray. Her drains were those stupid devices that I thought were confined to '70s BL cars - a sort of split rubber bulb thing on the end of a short piece of hose. Ideal for allowing free passage to leaves & general debris. It was an electrical fault caused by the electronics module box being full of water that led me to the blocked drains.

 

[Techno]

It is very notable that of the X250 specifically only FIAT do NOT recognise this water evacuation system and also notable that the adoptees Citroen & Peugeot avoided calling it anything scuttle related

 

[Bart]

It is very notable that of the X250 specifically only FIAT do NOT recognise this water evacuation system and also notable that the adoptees Citroen & Peugeot avoided calling it anything scuttle related

so true about Fiat ... exactly why im having to order a Citroen / Peugeot part for my FIAT .. lol

 

[GAVLAD]

Yes, that's the part joedeath, it should sort out your problem. Bit fiddly to fit - I had to trim the plastic reservoir part for it to fit mine, but I'm sure you'll work it out.
Let us know how you get on.

 

[Bart]

@GAVLAD sure will

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[Bart]

Thanks to @Techno and everyone else both here on the forums and on the WWW who helped me with the Scuttle modifications to stop the water coming into the engine bay on my Fiat Ducato X250.
First up here is the Citroen part that i used 6454.66 ( Water Evacuation Pipe )
http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/attachments/image001-1-png.113078/
Pictured just above in Techno's post.
I removed the Scuttle panel completely then i started on the left hand side ( my vehicle being RHD )
Here on the left hand part of it you can see i have made 2 drain pipes that will connect into one so that both recesses of the left hand side of the scuttle "Will Hopefully" remain free of water even if the Motorhome is parked at a slope ( Left >> Right )
Note : the one behind the passengers headlight was a tight fit.

Next it was onto the right hand side Scuttle panel.
I only had to install one additional drain here for the small part of the scuttle below the drivers wiper arm as there was a large factory fitted drain pipe already installed for the larger part of the right scuttle panel.

At the Middle of the scuttle where it joins i sealed it with the same Black Tiger sealer that i had used for the rest of the job : http://www.u-pol.co.uk/product-cat/162/tiger-seal®-pu-adhesive-and-sealant.htm

And i also installed the Drain box ( Water Evacuation Pipe - Citroen Part No. 6454.66 )

Then finally came the time to install the rubber sealant strip between the window screen and the back of the Scuttle to try to force the water into the scuttle panel rather than it running down the back of the panel into the engine bay.
I got the seal from Seals + Direct and the seal i used is at the top of the page in the following link , and the product is P41 ( Rubber P section )
http://www.sealsdirect.co.uk/shopping.asp?intDepartmentId=3#19

 

[Bart]

Then i directed the pipes that i installed to take the excess water from the scuttle panes so that it ran onto the plastic guards on the front wheel arches.

Since doing the above modifications we had the worst down pour of rain the other day which created literally a river running down our road
After it was over i went out to see if the engine had any water and nope none coming from the scuttle ,but there is still water coming in from the joint where the bonnet meets the headlamp and laying on the fuse box / air filter , so that is my next step to try to find way of sealing that.

 

[Neckender]

I run my extra drains right down to the bottom so the rain water runs directly on to the road. I also prevented the rain from entering the bonnet join by fitting foam strip down either side of where the bonnet edges sit.

John.

 

[Bart]

I run my extra drains right down to the bottom so the rain water runs directly on to the road. I also prevented the rain from entering the bonnet join by fitting foam strip down either side of where the bonnet edges sit.

John.

@Neckender John i dont suppose you have a link for that foam or know what size it is
And also did you attach the foam strip with the Self Adhesive side to the underside of the bonnet ?

 

[Speve]

@Neckender John i dont suppose you have a link for that foam or know what size it is
And also did you attach the foam strip with the Self Adhesive side to the underside of the bonnet ?

I have used foam/rubber draught excluder before, that works well and it's self adhesive as long as you make sure what you are sticking it to is clean.

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[Bart]

@Speve really it just seems like a BIG gap , one i could fit my head through

 

[Speve]

What sort of size 12mm? You can stick two or three layers together, not ideal but it will work.

 

[Neckender]

@Neckender John i dont suppose you have a link for that foam or know what size it is
And also did you attach the foam strip with the Self Adhesive side to the underside of the bonnet ?

HI Bart I used sticky back foam strip I had lying around and I stuck it down the groove that the bonnet sits on continuing it down past the head lamps.

John.

 

[Bart]

about 10 mm but its more the problem that the bonnet only overlaps the headlamp panel by 1 mm if even , so the tape needs to be near 20 mm wide.

 

[Bart]

HI Bart I used sticky back foam strip I had lying around and I stuck it down the groove that the bonnet sits on continuing it down past the head lamps.

John.

That's what i thought needed done , just i've never used that sticky back foam and was not sure what size to order.
Earlier i was looking at these sizes , but wondered if you can cut it down in height , like give it a hair cut
http://expandingfoamtape.co.uk/gap-size-4-9mm/expanding-foam-tape-br-20-4-9-x-8m
http://expandingfoamtape.co.uk/gap-size-6-15mm/expanding-foam-tape-br-20-6-15-x-4.3m
http://expandingfoamtape.co.uk/gap-size-5-12mm/expanding-foam-tape-br-20-5-12-x-5.6m

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