Wild campers or "riffraff"

[JJ]

What IS the answer?.

My answer is to run away to the (mostly) sun drenched hills of Central Portugal and try as much as possible to keep away from all the horridness produced by the modern world.


JJ

 

[gus-lopez]

So if one uses a campsite or Aire disposal point where does the sewage go then?

It is probably a septic tank.Basically a soakaway.

Although Spain is full of bins and folk Still throw their rubbish on the ground etc

reminds me of doing some online spanish car theory tests. question
" " What can you NOT throw out of a vehicle window?"
"nothing" wasn't one of the 3 choices

in the certain knowledge that there is nothing stopping people taking their rubbish with them.

apart from those who have no home to go to?
I.e ,the tourists.

 

[billym]

I dont know for sure, but I would not be surprised at all, if the vast majority of sewerage in Coastal Spain did not end up in the Med RAW. I cannot remember seeing very many sewage Plants on my travels back in the 90`s and naughties.

Yes. And Gibraltar pours all of theirs out untreated at Europa Point.

http://chronicle.gi/2019/02/plans-filed-waste-water-treatment-plant/

 

[Cheshirecat57]

My answer is to run away to the (mostly) sun drenched hills of Central Portugal and try as much as possible to keep away from all the horridness produced by the modern world.
JJ

Yep, that will cure it

 

[pappajohn]

He can't be emptying his cassette... He isn't wearing gloves.

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[Minxy]

Eire is a nightmare for getting rid of rubbish though as everybody takes it home with them and has it taken from their own bins.

Many years ago, think it was one of our first foreign holidays, we stayed on a campsite in Holland for the night, it was very quiet with possibly just us and a couple of other camping units there ... we spent ages looking round the site to find bins, but couldn't, in the end we asked the site owner and were told to take it home which is what they all do ... when we pointed out that we were on a 2 week holiday she relented and took it off us but wasn't happy!

 

[GJH]

apart from those who have no home to go to?
I.e ,the tourists.

Tourists might not find it convenient to save everything until they get back to their permanent home but it isn't the case that they have "no home". We have been on a few (short) rallies where there are no arrangements for disposal of the contents of the bin but otherwise there has always been waste disposal at the next site we stop at.
Before anyone says something like "wild campers don't stay on sites" that does not relieve them of the responsibility to find somewhere proper to dispose of their waste - that's find somewhere rather than expect it served up on a plate for them.

 

[Northernraider]

It might help - though your next line does introduce an element of doubt - but provision of bins carries with it the cost of somebody to empty them and dispose of the contents, in the certain knowledge that there is nothing stopping people taking their rubbish with them.

I agree it does cost money.

But then so does the massive clean up operations that need done every so often cause of the rubbish. Not to mention the environmental cost , the harm to wildlife both on land and see etc.
We already pay so much tax etc in the UK on everything

 

[sciac2001]

Yes. And Gibraltar pours all of theirs out untreated at Europa Point.

http://chronicle.gi/2019/02/plans-filed-waste-water-treatment-plant/

Yes. Not our best advertisement to date and one that should have been addressed a long time ago. Although no defence, Gibraltar has "mirrored" Spanish practice on this.
Thankfully, this will very soon be a thing of the past.

 

[Southdowners]

The cleanest countries we’ve travelled in don’t have bins at all, even at picnic areas, etc. People take their rubbish away with them.

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[PeteH]

I agree it does cost money.

But then so does the massive clean up operations that need done every so often cause of the rubbish. Not to mention the environmental cost , the harm to wildlife both on land and see etc.
We already pay so much tax etc in the UK on everything

One of the issues, often stated, in the UK. Is the current tendency for L-A`s to make a Charge for removing trash. Our L-A charges £10 JUST to remove (say) an old mattress, THAT is why so many finish up in farm gateways!. Then the L-A complains Bitterley that they have had to send out expensive vehicles and operatives to clear up the "fly tipping". And on the back of that, some poor unsuspecting person ends up with a BILL for crap not of their making!.

 

[gus-lopez]

Tourists might not find it convenient to save everything until they get back to their permanent home but it isn't the case that they have "no home". We have been on a few (short) rallies where there are no arrangements for disposal of the contents of the bin but otherwise there has always been waste disposal at the next site we stop at.
Before anyone says something like "wild campers don't stay on sites" that does not relieve them of the responsibility to find somewhere proper to dispose of their waste - that's find somewhere rather than expect it served up on a plate for them.

But as we have had on other threads what do the lorry drivers , away for weeks on end do? They've no where to take it back to. As others have said it is a very shortsighted policy when they are then forced to send out clear up teams.
If they enforced decent fines in the 10's of 000's ,like they can , for fly tipping it wouldn't happen. As applies to other things it is no good having "deterrents" if occasionally you don't use them to deter people.

Anyway to the OP. they are Riff-Raff ** No slight on the pets of @Badknee is intended

 

[nicholsong]

Many years ago, think it was one of our first foreign holidays, we stayed on a campsite in Holland for the night, it was very quiet with possibly just us and a couple of other camping units there ... we spent ages looking round the site to find bins, but couldn't, in the end we asked the site owner and were told to take it home which is what they all do ... when we pointed out that we were on a 2 week holiday she relented and took it off us but wasn't happy!

One would think that regulations in any country governing the operation of a campsite would include the provision of adequate rubbish bins and the cost of emptying them, which we just be like any other cost of operating a business,

Geoff

 

[PhilandMena]

Must be a lot of bored Funster reading this, it is dragging on a bit.

 

[Minxy]

One would think that regulations in any country governing the operation of a campsite would include the provision of adequate rubbish bins and the cost of emptying them, which we just be like any other cost of operating a business,

Geoff

It was a long time ago and I suspect they had a blanket policy so they avoided having to pay the cost of waste removal, thus everyone had to take their own stuff home ... this was in the days before the advent of recycling facilities etc. Of course it could also have been that they were too mean to provide bins and someone to empty them!

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[Northernraider]

It was a long time ago and I suspect they had a blanket policy so they avoided having to pay the cost of waste removal, thus everyone had to take their own stuff home ... this was in the days before the advent of recycling facilities etc. Of course it could also have been that they were too mean to provide bins and someone to empty them!

That's the only reason my French vocabulary extends to bonjour olavou ( however it's spelt ) and ousson la pubelle ...where are the dustbins because I could never find one lol

 

[tacr2man]

@Northernraider
ouess le dechargez de merde ?
thats the other one you need

same spelling method as yours

 

[PhilandMena]

Or! Where's the dustbin you French f**ķ

 

[GJH]

I agree it does cost money.

But then so does the massive clean up operations that need done every so often cause of the rubbish. Not to mention the environmental cost , the harm to wildlife both on land and see etc.
We already pay so much tax etc in the UK on everything

But that doesn't mean we should just accept having to pay for the dirty habits of some. We need to find a way of educating them or making them pay.

 

[GJH]

But as we have had on other threads what do the lorry drivers , away for weeks on end do? They've no where to take it back to. As others have said it is a very shortsighted policy when they are then forced to send out clear up teams.
If they enforced decent fines in the 10's of 000's ,like they can , for fly tipping it wouldn't happen. As applies to other things it is no good having "deterrents" if occasionally you don't use them to deter people.

Anyway to the OP. they are Riff-Raff ** No slight on the pets of @Badknee is intended

Lorry drivers unload at places which have bins don't they?
I agree that proper deterrents that recover costs from those who refuse to be educated are needed.

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[GJH]

One of the issues, often stated, in the UK. Is the current tendency for L-A`s to make a Charge for removing trash. Our L-A charges £10 JUST to remove (say) an old mattress, THAT is why so many finish up in farm gateways!. Then the L-A complains Bitterley that they have had to send out expensive vehicles and operatives to clear up the "fly tipping". And on the back of that, some poor unsuspecting person ends up with a BILL for crap not of their making!.

Often stated by those who don't like to pay for disposal of the refuse they create in my experience.
In this area most fly tipping appears to be by cowboys who householders pay to take rubbish away but haven't got a licence for doing it. If householders ensured that they only used licensed carriers it would cut out most of it.

 

[Northernraider]

But that doesn't mean we should just accept having to pay for the dirty habits of some. We need to find a way of educating them or making them pay.

Yeah like we manage to educate people not to rape, steal or murder etc


It works on most but not everyone ....meanwhile the countryside gets covered in litter


Personally I'd just put the bins out

 

[gus-lopez]

One would think that regulations in any country governing the operation of a campsite would include the provision of adequate rubbish bins and the cost of emptying them, which we just be like any other cost of operating a business,

Geoff

I use a campsite near Brighton that has no bins & you are required to take all & any rubbish away with you.Everyone does.Mind you it also has a no music/noise policy.

 

[Minxy]

I use a campsite near Brighton that has no bins & you are required to take all & any rubbish away with you.Everyone does.Mind you it also has a no music/noise policy.

... no good for funsters then!

 

[GJH]

Yeah like we manage to educate people not to rape, steal or murder etc


It works on most but not everyone ....meanwhile the countryside gets covered in litter


Personally I'd just put the bins out

I suppose you're right. Too many people have the attitude that it is OK for them to do what they want and the rest of the country can go hang

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[PeteH]

Often stated by those who don't like to pay for disposal of the refuse they create in my experience.
In this area most fly tipping appears to be by cowboys who householders pay to take rubbish away but haven't got a licence for doing it. If householders ensured that they only used licensed carriers it would cut out most of it.

The issue with that is, very few unlicensed fly tippers, who I admit are a menace in themselves, will take all and everything and they too want paying!. Most of the fly tipping is done by squadrons of the "Great British Unwashed". The same omeba who chuck shitty nappies out of cars!. The L-A`s being prepared to take more in the collection would make a dent in THAT type of fly tipping, and stopping charging would be a first step in reducing the other as then the "unlicensed" mob would 1) have no excuse!, and 2) No (real) reason for existence.

Remember, as in all "Crime" you cannot sanction unless you can catch them. The police have far better things to do. Why not encourage the public to come to the correct places in the first place, and save the millions on clearing up after the event!.

But then that logic is to simple for the mindsets of most L-A Managers and Bureaucrats!.

 

[Northernraider]

I suppose you're right. Too many people have the attitude that it is OK for them to do what they want and the rest of the country can go hang

When did we start talking about the royal family and politicians

 

[Rapphil]

Toungue in cheek;

Are FLT’S that are on the road and are not paying council tax not actually paying anyone to dispose of rubbish?

 

[PhilandMena]

Toungue in cheek;

Are Fork Lift Truck’S that are on the road and are not paying council tax not actually paying anyone to dispose of rubbish?

This one has to pay council tax even when we are away for months on end and our house is empty. Been like that for several years now. Not a happy bunny !

 

[busby]

We did not have much of a rubbish problem 20 odd years ago because there was very little packaging..I despair where all our rubbish appears from ..we don't buy processed food but still seem to generate a mountain of waste every day,,BUSBY

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