Which direct fill to gas bottle options exist ?

My local Flogas depot has barred safefill style bottles now after an 'incident'.
Yeah they refused me....but said it was even for all motorhome installations due to a standard gas bottle with eBay adapter incident.... The filled my safefill when I went there to be fair. I use Morrisons with no problems now
 
Hello I am new here and looking for the price of gas bottle refill. 20 L is equal to 20 kg? So is it 12£ per bottle?
Also, I intend to live full time in my motorhome from decembre, how often do I have to refill the gas?
I am full-time and have 2 x 11kg Gaslow cylinders, (about 41 ltrs) if you are only using gas for cooking then your gas will last months, I used 15 ltrs between the end of July and the middle of October, if you are using it for heating and hot water as well then you may only get a couple of weeks depending on the size of your van how hot you keep it etc.
 
We have 11kg + 6kg Gasit bottles in our moho. Use Mylpg.eu app to find filling points en-route when travelling.
 
Basildog is a very helpful guy.
I had one of their kits fitted (underslung) by Dave newell as closer to home. All done in a few hours and a nice tidy job.
 
Wish I could, and that was my plan when back in the Uk during the summer.

Here it has to be done by a certified installer and then inspected afterwards. The big cost is that you have to reinforce the gas locker and have mounting points to secure the bottles mounted to the chassis so it does become quite a job. It’s just one of those peculiar local laws that you can’t avoid, although a direct fill bottle does get round it😏

I had wondered why I had never seen refillable LPG installations on vans here and now I know why as the payback would be about 50yrs🥲 shame really as for me it’s equally about the convenience as much as the cost saving.
Would an underslung tank be a cheaper option?

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No. Underslung fitted tanks are well over £600 and possibly closer to £1000 depending on the installation and tank size. A couple of Safefill bottles will set you back about £450
 
No. Underslung fitted tanks are well over £600 and possibly closer to £1000 depending on the installation and tank size. A couple of Safefill bottles will set you back about £450
Read back, he's in France not the UK.
 
Both Morrisons and our local gas supplier allow us to fill our light weight SafeFill bottles, because they are recognised to be foolproof. Calor don't like them because they show up Calor's profiteering.
I wouldn’t want to try and sell LPG cylinders as cheaply as Calor do ⚠️
The costs involved are enormous and the LPG is a tiny part of that .
Imagine the logistics involved in stocking what is essentially a very seasonal product in the leisure market.
You have Calor themselves then very often a distributor and then the thousands of small retailers who all need a profit.
Can’t see any profiteering going on myself.
 
I wouldn’t want to try and sell LPG cylinders as cheaply as Calor do ⚠️
The costs involved are enormous and the LPG is a tiny part of that .
Imagine the logistics involved in stocking what is essentially a very seasonal product in the leisure market.
You have Calor themselves then very often a distributor and then the thousands of small retailers who all need a profit.
Can’t see any profiteering going on myself.
So how come all the alternatives seem about half the price give or take?

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So how come all the alternatives seem about half the price give or take?
I have not seen any LPG stockists selling cylinder refills at half the price of Calor .
I could be wrong though .
 
I wouldn’t want to try and sell LPG cylinders as cheaply as Calor do ⚠️
The costs involved are enormous and the LPG is a tiny part of that .
Imagine the logistics involved in stocking what is essentially a very seasonal product in the leisure market.
You have Calor themselves then very often a distributor and then the thousands of small retailers who all need a profit.
Can’t see any profiteering going on myself.
That made me look at it in a different light, all too easy just to compare the cost of the gas,
 
I have not seen any LPG stockists selling cylinder refills at half the price of Calor .
I could be wrong though .
when I was a moho newbie some 8 years ago I went to a main Calor depot a couple of times and paid a small fortune (plus carp customer service, always made to wait to get served until their phone stopped ringing!).. Somebody on one of the other forums tipped me off about alternative suppliers and I found my local DIY shop sold Flogas much cheaper. The last big one from them cost about 30 quid. As we go abroad a lot my second bottle is a big beige one from Intermarche which I swapped a couple of days ago for 25 quid. How much is Calor now? a quick search looks like close to 50 quid.
 
I've fitted a pair of Gaslow Direct Fill bottles but my gas consumption is so low as they only run my two ring hob, I haven't had to fill them yet!
 
I have 2 large SafeFill bottles. They have several advantages over Calor.
1 Much cheaper to refill.
2 Much lighter than any other option. (weight is very important to keep the payload legal)
3 Can be easily moved if you change your van, which we did once.

Currently I have to open the access door to fill each bottle individually. What would be nice is a single external fill point, which could fill both bottles simultaneously. The existing system has the normal auto change over system.
Has anybody fitted a single external fill point for Safefill.

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Currently I have to open the access door to fill each bottle individually. What would be nice is a single external fill point, which could fill both bottles simultaneously. The existing system has the normal auto change over system.
Has anybody fitted a single external fill point for Safefill.

I have given it some thought but it gets complicated with one way valves
I would like a simple solution of Teeing two together with a fill nozzle.
 
when I was a moho newbie some 8 years ago I went to a main Calor depot a couple of times and paid a small fortune (plus carp customer service, always made to wait to get served until their phone stopped ringing!).. Somebody on one of the other forums tipped me off about alternative suppliers and I found my local DIY shop sold Flogas much cheaper. The last big one from them cost about 30 quid. As we go abroad a lot my second bottle is a big beige one from Intermarche which I swapped a couple of days ago for 25 quid. How much is Calor now? a quick search looks like close to 50 quid.
You can’t really compare European prices to ours , they use bottled gas as a mainstream domestic product, prices in Spain etc are fixed by the government.
French LPG might be cheaper but you definitely wouldn’t want to pay their taxes and they have a higher crime rate than the U.K. too ⚠️😂
 
You can’t really compare European prices to ours , they use bottled gas as a mainstream domestic product, prices in Spain etc are fixed by the government.
French LPG might be cheaper but you definitely wouldn’t want to pay their taxes and they have a higher crime rate than the U.K. too ⚠️😂
that's why I gave the Flogas price first. I realise it's not exactly half, but it's a large percentage cheaper for no apparent reason except paying for the Calor name. I included the French price as just another example of 'rip-off Britain' as the media frequently like to call it. I'm just grateful that when I go to France 3 or 4 times a year my costs are lower than here. :happy:
 
Simple easy DIY job.
Unfortuinately not for the Op as the UK is probably one of the only countries left where they allow anyone regardless of ability, to do anything to motorised vehicles without needing certification.
Could you not get it installed in Germany if you don't want to do it yourself?
same problem or possibly even worse ,which it would be here. Everything here has to be supplied with a homologation certificate & then has to be installed by whoever holds the required licence to install & can supply the installation certificate , regardless of the fact that they might be a complete twat . With both pieces of paper you can then get it added top the log book ,if it wasn't included in the installation price. there are very few things that do not require it.
prices in Spain etc are fixed by the government.
Yes but Only for the one type of 12,5 kg cylinder from both repsol & cepsa. The identical 12,5kg "lightweight" cylinders the companies convinced gov.es that they were completely different & so are allowed to charge far more for the same quantity in a different cylinder. 🤷‍♂️
 
I have 2 large SafeFill bottles. They have several advantages over Calor.
1 Much cheaper to refill.
2 Much lighter than any other option. (weight is very important to keep the payload legal)
3 Can be easily moved if you change your van, which we did once.

Currently I have to open the access door to fill each bottle individually. What would be nice is a single external fill point, which could fill both bottles simultaneously. The existing system has the normal auto change over system.
Has anybody fitted a single external fill point for Safefill.
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I have these bottles. They are similar to Safefill but have Gaslow style valves. Separate input and output ports. The black with orange stripe pigtails go to the regulator. The short black pipe connects the 2 cylinders with the right hand cylinder having a T piece where another pipe (not fitted in first photo) connects to the external filler mounted on the door. I'm not sure if these bottles are still fitted with these valves. Got these from the LPG shop in Liecester in 2019. The other big advantage with the composite bottles is that they don't explode in a fire.

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They are 'Gasbank' cylinders I think. About £250 each. Very similar to Safefill but with a separate inlet point. They only come in the 10Kg size though, so if you have a smallish gas locker you could find it a problem.
 

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