We are done with the Caravan Club

[Neil S]

It a very thing that through history there have been people with the exact opposite attitude of people like you.
Thankfully there have always been “can do” people and not all like you “ can’t do” people.
It works on the friendly sites, sort of makes one wonder why they’re the ones known as the friendly club.

That would be the friendly club that virtually abandoned us in Spain on one of there Winter rallies when Covid struck and offered NO help apart from telling us our ferry home from Bilbao was now cancelled the tunnel was our best way home but they couldn't help with any overnight campsites as most were closed . ( we were towing our caravan at the time )
Thankfully we had insurance with Red Pennant and even before I'd thought about phoning them the C&MC contacted us to see how we were and offered to find two overnight sites that would accept us and booked us a Eurotunnel crossing late at night and arranged with warden at Black horse Farm C&MC near Folkstone that we needed an overnight stop on arriving back in the UK .
To rub salt in the wounds the so called " Friendly Club " were uncontactable except by email then took 6 months to refund my Ferry crossing money plus cancelled sites fees which amounted to £1,800
Needless to say after 21 years membership they are history

 

[Gellyneck]

It a very good thing that through history there have been people with the exact opposite attitude of people like you.
Thankfully there have always been “can do” people and not all like you “ can’t do” people.
It works on the friendly sites, sort of makes one wonder why they’re the ones known as the friendly club.

Rather than just banging the same drum would it be possible to answer the questions previously raised or is it a case of a possible(?) non-member just expecting a service from the Club and just saying get on with it because that's what some people want?

Post 104 in response to one of your posts -
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• Are you proposing this for both members and non-members?
• Would it be chargeable or free of charge?
• If the former how would the charges be collected?
• How would it be monitored \ managed as the wardens have other duties, toilet cleaning, grass cutting, general maintenance, etc outwith the times reception are open for new arrival booking-ins?
• A number, if not most C&MC sites have gate barriers that would require opening to enable access to the facilities. Who would do this?

In my opinion the more sensible and simpler option would be for the traveller to book a pitch for one night, which C&MC permits, to undertake all these task rather than placing a considerable additional burden on what are very busy site staff.
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• Why would a traveller be totally adverse to booking a pitch for one night to undertake all their "housekeeping" tasks?
• How do you suggest the Club manages the infrastructure issues at the club's sites listed above to which you gave your quoted "non-response"?

It would be useful to the debate if you could give some rationale around how you believe it could work so those of us who believe, and have laid out some rationale, it is currently unworkable can give some thought as to where we are going wrong. Even if this is how C&CC achieve the above it would be useful.

Surely a well thought out solution is a much better outcome rather than bandying about incorrect and somewhat derogatory comments.

 

[glenn2926]

Rather than just banging the same drum would it be possible to answer the questions previously raised or is it a case of a possible(?) non-member just expecting a service from the Club and just saying get on with it because that's what some people want?

Post 104 in response to one of your posts -
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• Are you proposing this for both members and non-members?
• Would it be chargeable or free of charge?
• If the former how would the charges be collected?
• How would it be monitored \ managed as the wardens have other duties, toilet cleaning, grass cutting, general maintenance, etc outwith the times reception are open for new arrival booking-ins?
• A number, if not most C&MC sites have gate barriers that would require opening to enable access to the facilities. Who would do this?

In my opinion the more sensible and simpler option would be for the traveller to book a pitch for one night, which C&MC permits, to undertake all these task rather than placing a considerable additional burden on what are very busy site staff.
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• Why would a traveller be totally adverse to booking a pitch for one night to undertake all their "housekeeping" tasks?
• How do you suggest the Club manages the infrastructure issues at the club's sites listed above to which you gave your quoted "non-response"?

It would be useful to the debate if you could give some rationale around how you believe it could work so those of us who believe, and have laid out some rationale, it is currently unworkable can give some thought as to where we are going wrong. Even if this is how C&CC achieve the above it would be useful.

Surely a well thought out solution is a much better outcome rather than bandying about incorrect and somewhat derogatory comments.

Your still can’t get it. The friendly club already offers this service to members. Why, if they can do it can’t the other club?
I have and will use this again.
It’s really not difficult.

 

[Gellyneck]

Your still can’t get it. The friendly club already offers this service to members. Why, if they can do it can’t the other club?
I have and will use this again.
It’s really not difficult.

Another non-response with derogatory comment.
It's disappointing you appear to be unwilling to help others try and understand your point of view so no point in

 

[peterc10]

Your still can’t get it. The friendly club already offers this service to members. Why, if they can do it can’t the other club?
I have and will use this again.
It’s really not difficult.

I agree. If the CCC can successfully do it, which they have done, I cannot see why the CMC can't. Their sites are as busy now and run on similar principles.

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[phase3begins]

i see your point. McDonald’s do a McMuffin so I don’t see why Burger King can’t. They’re both busy and run on similar principles.

 

[Gellyneck]

i see your point. McDonald’s do a McMuffin so I don’t see why Burger King can’t. They’re both busy and run on similar principles.

But I think they both have the same rules around emptying your toilet cassette even if you're not eating in!

 

[pandas]

So here I am sitting in Rules Restaurant just off the strand. Somebody walks off the street pops in to use their loo’s - do you think they were turned away?

 

[Gellyneck]

So here I am sitting in Rules Restaurant just off the strand. Somebody walks off the street pops in to use their loo’s - do you think they were turned away?

You'll be having the grouse then?

 

[Spriddler]

I fail to see why any membership organisation should feel obliged to make their facilities available to ad hoc non-member passers-by.

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[peterc10]

I fail to see why any membership organisation should feel obliged to make their facilities available to ad hoc non-member passers-by.

CCC did it in a commercial basis and was only for members (so no non members ad hoc or not). They charged the member for using the facilities in the same way (but at a smaller amount) as they charged the members staying overnight. My guess is that they realised that many of their sites could handle it without becoming too busy and it would be a bit more money the site could earn them. Seems eminently sensible to me. It was not all of their sites, I think mainly those that had a decent motorhome fill and dump facility.

 

[glenn2926]

i see your point. McDonald’s do a McMuffin so I don’t see why Burger King can’t. They’re both busy and run on similar principles.

They do but it’s even worse .

 

[Spriddler]

CCC did it in a commercial basis and was only for members (so no non members ad hoc or not). They charged the member for using the facilities in the same way (but at a smaller amount) as they charged the members staying overnight. My guess is that they realised that many of their sites could handle it without becoming too busy and it would be a bit more money the site could earn them. Seems eminently sensible to me. It was not all of their sites, I think mainly those that had a decent motorhome fill and dump facility.

Yep, seems sensible to me too that members can benefit by dropping in to use the facilities and add a bit of income for the site.

 

[Barryh]

Right here we go, first hand experience of motorhome stopoffs. I’m a former franchisee of the Camping and Caravanning Club. My site had a lovely and easy to use motorhome service point designed by me! We offered the motorhome stopoff service, which was use of all facilities for 3 hours for £7.50. So fill up, drain grey, empty your cassette, shower, washing machine/dryer (extra). It never caused us any problems and to be honest it wasn’t used that much. Perhaps it would be used more these days. The biggest issue was motorhomers wanting to book an overnight stay for £7.50.

 

[glenn2926]

Right here we go, first hand experience of motorhome stopoffs. I’m a former franchisee of the Camping and Caravanning Club. My site had a lovely and easy to use motorhome service point designed by me! We offered the motorhome stopoff service, which was use of all facilities for 3 hours for £7.50. So fill up, drain grey, empty your cassette, shower, washing machine/dryer (extra). It never caused us any problems and to be honest it wasn’t used that much. Perhaps it would be used more these days. The biggest issue was motorhomers wanting to book an overnight stay for £7.50.

Thanks for offering this service however I’m sure someone will be along in a minuet to tell you that there’s no way you could have done this.

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[Spriddler]

Right here we go, first hand experience of motorhome stopoffs. I’m a former franchisee of the Camping and Caravanning Club. My site had a lovely and easy to use motorhome service point designed by me! We offered the motorhome stopoff service, which was use of all facilities for 3 hours for £7.50. So fill up, drain grey, empty your cassette, shower, washing machine/dryer (extra). It never caused us any problems and to be honest it wasn’t used that much. Perhaps it would be used more these days. The biggest issue was motorhomers wanting to book an overnight stay for £7.50.

Was that to anyone or CCC members only?

 

[Barryh]

Was that to anyone or CCC members only?

Members only.

 

[Ivory55]

Thanks for offering this service however I’m sure someone will be along in a minuet to tell you that there’s no way you could have done this.

Especially as expensive as that. Haha

 

[gus-lopez]

So here I am sitting in Rules Restaurant just off the strand. Somebody walks off the street pops in to use their loo’s - do you think they were turned away?

& here in spain the complete opposite. Can only refuse in certain circumstances & agreed with council + sign has to be in prominent display "customers only" . Same as all bars/restaurants have to supply customers with a daily paper/s
Road side service areas /bars /restaurants that get inundated with travellers going to & from Morocco in spring/summer , build standalone easy clean toilets/showers away from the main building for them to use & comply with the law so allowing customers of the bar/restaurant sole use of the inside ones.

 

[Barryh]

Especially as expensive as that. Haha

Well once you’ve risked everything and begged borrowed and spent the best part of a million pounds buying and improving a site, charging £7.50 seemed quite reasonable. However, some people are saying it can’t be done. I’ve proved it can.

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[Langtoftlad]

If the CAMC membership wanted such a service, then they'd lobby for it, and it would be voted on...
But I guess they don't

 

[Ivory55]

Well once you’ve risked everything and begged borrowed and spent the best part of a million pounds buying and improving a site, charging £7.50 seemed quite reasonable. However, some people are saying it can’t be done. I’ve proved it can.

I agree, but the first thing most on here ask is how much, not what the service is etc.

 

[pandas]

& here in spain the complete opposite. Can only refuse in certain circumstances & agreed with council + sign has to be in prominent display "customers only" . Same as all bars/restaurants have to supply customers with a daily paper/s
Road side service areas /bars /restaurants that get inundated with travellers going to & from Morocco in spring/summer , build standalone easy clean toilets/showers away from the main building for them to use & comply with the law so allowing customers of the bar/restaurant sole use of the inside ones.

But this is the UK thank goodness

 

[Jamesh]

Sorry to be a newbie but can anyone tell me what and Aires is??

Cheers James

 

[peterc10]

Shortened version or Aire de Camping Car in France. They have thousands of places where motorhomes are welcome to park for the night cheaply or free. Most, but not all, also have fresh water and dumps for grey and black waste as well and some even have EHUs. The original idea was for municipalities to encourage tourists to visit cities towns and villages and spend money in them although now some are commercially run. Similar in Germany, called Stellplatz, and Italy, which have Sostas.

It is motorhome paradise and we are looking forward to getting back to them as soon as possible.

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[ceejayt]

Thanks for offering this service however I’m sure someone will be along in a minuet to tell you that there’s no way you could have done this.

That service has been available for years from C and C and I am not aware of anyone raising it as a problem. . Not at all sites. There is a list of around 53

the discussion is whether C and MC should do it It would be great especially for those of us with a black tank to empty

Not sure what all the angst is about.

 

[TDub49]

So has anyone in the C&MC actually contacted the club to ask why this service is not available? Or is everyone hoping that someone in the club administration is reading this and will consider the problem? As someone said in another post on this thread - if enough members ask for this, maybe something will have to be done to satisfy the demand.

 

[ceejayt]

So has anyone in the C&MC actually contacted the club to ask why this service is not available? Or is everyone hoping that someone in the club administration is reading this and will consider the problem? As someone said in another post on this thread - if enough members ask for this, maybe something will have to be done to satisfy the demand.

Good point!

I will kick it off by contacting them. I dint hold out a lot of hope I have to say

 

[Ivory55]

So has anyone in the C&MC actually contacted the club to ask why this service is not available? Or is everyone hoping that someone in the club administration is reading this and will consider the problem? As someone said in another post on this thread - if enough members ask for this, maybe something will have to be done to satisfy the demand.

Demand and money, nobody does anything for nothing.

 

[EzeeRider]

Good point!

I will kick it off by contacting them. I dint hold out a lot of hope I have to say

You won't be the first that is for sure!
ezee

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