Vaccinated!

[Scotsblood]

I'm not having it, I don't snort coke!
We'll let you be the Guineapig’s.

Some 40,000 volunteers across the world were the guinea pigs just for the first vaccine authorised in the UK.
We are the recipients of a vaccine that has actually had more clinical trial data analysed than many of the medicines given to many thousands each hour.
Many of the drugs sold now freely over the counter, such as aspirin and paracetamol used without a second thought would never be allowed to progress as far as human trials with our strict rules these days, they just have way too many adverse reactions/side effects or the therapeutic dose is too close to toxicity.

Entirely your choice if you don’t decide to take up a vaccine but ask yourself why me and so many other front line Dr’s and other health care professionals have immediately jumped at the chance for the protection all the clinical evidence shows it provides.
Maybe it’s a result of having colleagues, who were also friends, and way too many of our patients dying in front of us from a disease for which there is no cure.

 

[Googlebot]

Some 40,000 volunteers across the world were the guinea pigs just for the first vaccine authorised in the UK.
We are the recipients of a vaccine that has actually had more clinical trial data analysed than many of the medicines given to many thousands each hour.
Many of the drugs sold now freely over the counter, such as aspirin and paracetamol used without a second thought would never be allowed to progress as far as human trials with our strict rules these days, they just have way too many adverse reactions/side effects or the therapeutic dose is too close to toxicity.

Entirely your choice if you don’t decide to take up a vaccine but ask yourself why me and so many other front line Dr’s and other health care professionals have immediately jumped at the chance for the protection all the clinical evidence shows it provides.
Maybe it’s a result of having colleagues, who were also friends, and way too many of our patients dying in front of us from a disease for which there is no cure.

I couldn’t agree more!

Having seen the devastation over the past year, the death and suffering at work and the economic ruin of friends and local business, all of which can be solved by a vaccine.

I would never advocate forced vaccination. It is however my view that if you decline it, you shouldn’t be allowed to spread it with social interaction. There are people through no fault of their own can’t have the vaccine, they rely on enough people having it to put a protective ring round them.

Quite simply, by refusing the vaccine you are potentially killing people.

Alas my PCR test came back positive, I am certain it was caught at work as thankfully my family are negative. I know the risks in healthcare, I accept them.

What does drive me mad is people who could lessen that risk to me and others and choose not to do so for selfish reasons.

I realise this post will upset some and is one of the rare occasions I am happy to do so. Feel free to ignore button me if you don’t agree, it will save me doing likewise.

In summary, this year has been beyond awful, I have COVID currently and with dread I look toward going back to work as the third wave hits to see more tragedy. It can all be stopped by a vaccine, then people refuse to have it. This beyond upsets me.

Those saying the jab isn’t proven safe, there are 60,000+ people proving that the disease it protects against is deadly.

 

[Bucket]

Looking forward to my turn.
They need more vaccinators here so my daughter applied to to told she doesn’t have the necessary skills. As a vet, she has only been doing all sorts of difficult injections for nearly 20 years!

It's not her vaccination skills I worry about, it's where she sticks the thermonitor!

 

[Riverbankannie]

My Dad was a vet... he could write prescriptions [and did] for humans.
Of course, the rules & regulations may have been updated.

She cannot pronounce end of human life but I don’t think can prescribe. She gets very frustrated by human medicine. We have been trying to get my husband seen this week and she says if he was a dog he would have been treated day one of illness and certainly in hospital Wednesday.
I had to resort to A&E yesterday morning, obviously leaving him at the door but with a kindly volunteer who grabbed a wheelchair for him. By 2pm he had texted me saying Dr needs an xray and CT scan. By 5am this morning he had had the x-ray and as of now is still waiting for the CT scan! Has been on 3 wards so far. At least they have made him comfortable.
Sorry a bit off thread of vaccines! Good to have a rant however sympathetic I am to the NHS.

 

[Agatha]

I am not a covid denier, or an anti vaxer. I have read many articles that say very clearly, they are not sure if the vaccine will stop you catching the virus or if it will stop you infecting others. Also they don't know how long the "positive effects" will last. One of my concerns is - those people who have the jab and in 5 - 6 months time are happily traveling around - how do they know they are still "safe". I was just a bit alarmed as in the first 24 hours 2 people developed side effects because they had allergies. I am thinking that for something so important shouldn't the effects on those who have such allergies have been considered before they gave them the jab??
Really just curious. Not for or against really.

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[Googlebot]

I am not a covid denier, or an anti vaxer. I have read many articles that say very clearly, they are not sure if the vaccine will stop you catching the virus or if it will stop you infecting others. Also they don't know how long the "positive effects" will last. One of my concerns is - those people who have the jab and in 5 - 6 months time are happily traveling around - how do they know they are still "safe". I was just a bit alarmed as in the first 24 hours 2 people developed side effects because they had allergies. I am thinking that for something so important shouldn't the effects on those who have such allergies have been considered before they gave them the jab??
Really just curious. Not for or against really.

Hi Agatha,

Not sure which articles you have been reading, the vaccine will absolutely stop you catching it 90% of the time. If you can‘t contract the virus, you can’t spread it either so it will also help there.

Nobody is sure how long immunity lasts, but it is in years for most vaccines and this one has no reason to be any different.

As for side effects, you are right there have been reactions. Again, no more than normal, we always get a few reactions to vaccines.

The MHRA instantly changed their guidance with allergy sufferers the day the issue was raised. That gives me assurance they are listening and it’s safe.

More information can be gleaned here.

COVID-19 vaccination: information for healthcare practitioners

Guidance for healthcare practitioners about the coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccination programme.

www.gov.uk

 

[Agatha]

Thank you for that information. I guess I ahve become cynical when I have heard so much about the PCR test being flawed. Which seemed to be backed up by the mass testing in Liverpool where a tiny percentage tested positivive using the lateral flow test.
And I know of cases where people have died, and had covid on their death certificate and they had never had symptoms at all.
And then there is the corona virus act 2020 which seems to take away most of our human rights, Seems to have become very political. I have never had much faith in the media or our government and have seen so many strange things lately. We had an outbreak near here which sent some people into a panic - but turned out no one was ill.
To say I am confused is an understatement.
Thanks again for responding

 

[Googlebot]

Thank you for that information. I guess I ahve become cynical when I have heard so much about the PCR test being flawed. Which seemed to be backed up by the mass testing in Liverpool where a tiny percentage tested positivive using the lateral flow test.
And I know of cases where people have died, and had covid on their death certificate and they had never had symptoms at all.
And then there is the corona virus act 2020 which seems to take away most of our human rights, Seems to have become very political. I have never had much faith in the media or our government and have seen so many strange things lately. We had an outbreak near here which sent some people into a panic - but turned out no one was ill.
To say I am confused is an understatement.
Thanks again for responding

It is a nightmare trying to sort the real information from the false, this is particularly so in the internet and social media age. If only people were more honest like yourself saying they were confused instead of becoming entrenched in their views.

The lateral flow test certainly picked mine up, we are testing all our staff twice a week with them and have picked up a lot of cases early, into the 100’s, so they work. They were never designed to be as accurate as lab tests, the media reporting on them has been disappointing.

Hope you keep safe Agatha and avoid catching it.

 

[DoctorDark]

Alas as luck would have it, I developed symptoms on the day the jab started. I am hoping it’s just a normal virus but the lateral flow tests we are using gave me a positive. Just awaiting the PCR test results while feeling ill in bed.

Sorry to hear this. I trust you will be on the road to recovery soon.

 

[DoctorDark]

I'm not having it, I don't snort coke!
We'll let you be the Guineapig’s.

Whilst your reluctance is understandable. It is not what it is about

Being vaccinated does not just protect yourself from getting Coronavirus, it protects those around you as well. The more people that take the vaccine the less routes the virus has to spread and the more it is suppressed.

We shall probably never be free of Coronavirus but the more people that take the vaccine the sooner we all get back to a semblance of normality.

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[Pausim]

I'm not having it, I don't snort coke!
We'll let you be the Guineapig’s.

I am one of the guinea pigs (Novavax trial). What has snorting coke got to do with it?

 

[Simon Meadwell]

Some people wont have the vaccine saying it isnt safe whilst snorting coke at a weekend which is?

 

[Pausim]

Some people wont have the vaccine saying it isnt safe whilst snorting coke at a weekend which is?

These would be the people who can’t tell their arm from an internal body cavity.

 

[McLouis]

Too right! I ve generally had far better service from the vets. My children never got anything like the kind words that my lurcher gets. Last week Baz hurt his knee jumping over a barb wire fence on his way to despatching a bunny that couldn't get away fast enough. Describing this to the vet receptionist I got Oh poor Baz is he OK to get here, in which case we could fit him in 20 mins...... Is that OK? One can only imagine the contrast in getting to see a gp. Tell you what I'll get my vaccine when I take Baz to get him signed off!

 

[Stonemags76]

A bit difficult to compare vet services to the NHS, as we pay very dearly for an excellent vets service, but the NHS is free!

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[Pausim]

I am very happy with the service I have received from the NHS.

 

[Simon Select]

I can't wait for the vaccine. I just want to give my nan a hug!

 

[Spriddler]

Whatever happened to that injection system that used a high pressure air blast instead of
a hyperdeemic nerdle?
When it was launched it was hailed as a major advance.

 

[Pausim]

Whatever happened to that injection system that used a high pressure air blast instead of
a hyperdeemic nerdle?
When it was launched it was hailed as a major advance.

Sounds like it would cause more bruising than an injection. I hardly felt either of the 2 trial injections I was given and will happily have 2 more when it is my turn for an approved vaccine.

 

[Langtoftlad]

but the NHS is free!

It's far from free - and is inefficient & profligate.
If vets ran their businesses in the same way, they'd soon be bankrupt!

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[carolyn]

It's far from free - and is inefficient & profligate.
If vets ran their businesses in the same way, they'd soon be bankrupt!

“Free at the point of delivery” was what was promised and it still is. Less than 20% of the population pay for prescriptions even.

We should count our blessings.

 

[Langtoftlad]

“Free at the point of delivery” was what was promised and it still is. Less than 20% of the population pay for prescriptions even.

We should count our blessings.

Of course - but that wasn't the point or comparison being made with Vet charges.
It's disingenuous to say less than 20% pay for prescriptions - all taxpayers contribute, whether they use the service, have a prescription or not...

About 20% of all tax revenue is spent on healthcare...

So free at the point of use - but only because you've already paid in advance!
Like folk think they're getting a free phone on their £30/mth contract... err no.

 

[carolyn]

Of course - but that wasn't the point or comparison being made with Vet charges.
It's disingenuous to say less than 20% pay for prescriptions - all taxpayers contribute, whether they use the service, have a prescription or not...

About 20% of all tax revenue is spent on healthcare...

So free at the point of use - but only because you've already paid in advance!
Like folk think they're getting a free phone on their £30/mth contract... err no.

I’ve never been called disingenuous in my life and I don’t want to be thought of in that way now thank you very much. I am not dishonest, insincere or deceitful.

 

[Helen Ariel]

Of course - but that wasn't the point or comparison being made with Vet charges.
It's disingenuous to say less than 20% pay for prescriptions - all taxpayers contribute, whether they use the service, have a prescription or not...

About 20% of all tax revenue is spent on healthcare...

So free at the point of use - but only because you've already paid in advance!
Like folk think they're getting a free phone on their £30/mth contract... err no.

It would cost a hell of a lot more if it was private and many people would suffer as the poor become too scared to go to the doctors. It's shocking the cost in America because it's all private companies profiting.

 

[John Barrett]

It would cost a hell of a lot more if it was private and many people would suffer as the poor become too scared to go to the doctors. It's shocking the cost in America because it's all private companies profiting.

I don't disagree, but I've spent a lot of time in North America and met a lot of people. It appears to me that the patient demands the best treatment available and if they don't receive it then they will sue!

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[Helen Ariel]

I don't disagree, but I've spent a lot of time in North America and met a lot of people. It appears to me that the patient demands the best treatment available and if they don't receive it then they will sue!

So have I as my step mother is American and so we have a lot of friends and family there and my parents spend winters there. They all say hang on to the NHS system for dear life. I don't doubt people in America get the best of care but they pay through the nose for it and it's very stressful getting sick if you are not wealthy. Insurance doesn't cover everything. Re your comment on suing. It's one of the things that pushes prices up and is hardly something to aspire to!

 

[Gary217]

Too right! I ve generally had far better service from the vets. My children never got anything like the kind words that my lurcher gets. Last week Baz hurt his knee jumping over a barb wire fence on his way to despatching a bunny that couldn't get away fast enough. Describing this to the vet receptionist I got Oh poor Baz is he OK to get here, in which case we could fit him in 20 mins...... Is that OK? One can only imagine the contrast in getting to see a gp. Tell you what I'll get my vaccine when I take Baz to get him signed off!

That is really hurtful. Our daughter is front line NHS and has told us with tears streaming of times she's spent with people in their final hours, comforting them and relatives and then moving on to help the next person, almost overwhelmed (like most NHS staff) with the workload for minimal below inflation remuneration. Vets are truly wonderful people but so are NHS staff, if NHS staff can't fit you in within 20 minutes it is not their fault...need to look at the bigger picture for why that is.

 

[Pausim]

That is really hurtful. Our daughter is front line NHS and has told us with tears streaming of times she's spent with people in their final hours, comforting them and relatives and then moving on to help the next person, almost overwhelmed (like most NHS staff) with the workload for minimal below inflation remuneration. Vets are truly wonderful people but so are NHS staff, if NHS staff can't fit you in within 20 minutes it is not their fault...need to look at the bigger picture for why that is.

I agree with you, please tell your daughter they are all heroes. Try to ignore the hurtful comments, they are not representative. I have no intention of standing outside to clap well paid vets no matter how good they are but I would happily start clapping the NHS again.

 

[Bessy765]

But pets don’t ignore the rules and meet up ignore social distancing, hold anti lockdown and anti vax protests, they don’t come into A&E drunk swear at the staff trying to help them, punch and kick if they are not seen. Straight away. To disrespect front line staff of all areas is beyond me, to criticise them is despicable

 

[mitzimad]

A bit difficult to compare vet services to the NHS, as we pay very dearly for an excellent vets service, but the NHS is free!

nhs is paid for same as vets just inj a different way

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