Uprated but still under 3.5t?

[Speve]

I’ve got a Tyrepal fitted with Alarms set.

I’m not saying I would drive at 81mph all the time - but my Ford 170hp auto cruises nicely at 70mph and there may be times when overtaking that I do hit 80mph.

Of course, I’m still working full time with limited holidays and live in Scotland with lengthy journeys to/from France; perhaps when I finally retire I might be able to slow down a bit.

If you drive at those speeds for to long you not make retirement? Take it nice and easy???

 

[TinaLes]

Its not so much that I am old, I did retire early, I do like speed in my BMW M3 for example, BUT not in the motor home so much as sitting up higher in the cab, I see so much more of not only whats ahead but the scenery alongside.
I have been rushed along at times due to motorway traffic conditions, like busy 4 lane motorways sections with lorries pulling in & out of the inner two lanes, but I never feel relaxed in those situations and cant wait to get out of the rush hour rat race.
I am also a tight wad, filling up the van from empty is nearly £100 these days, if I can get my mindset correct on a long run and stick to 60MPH or as near as, I get a much better MPG return of anything between 27 to 29 MPG. Doing 70 MPH or above reduces that to 22 to 24 MPG.
However we are in a coachbuilt MH loaded up at 3850KGs with rear axle maxed out to 2200KGs because of the two heavy e-bikes, and spare wheel and other stuff in the rear garage.

 

[busby]

im going to disagree with the point made above that says you have to abide by the lower speed limit... I don't believe uprating changes that...
I uprated my chausson to 4000kg.... and checked with sv tec at the time just to be sure and he confirmed that if the vehicle fell within the 3050kg of unladen weight category uprating does not change that.. and the same speed restrictions apply as before uprating
that's my understanding..
Andy..

Thought that was UK only.BUSBY.

 

[andy63]

Thought that was UK only.BUSBY.

I think that point was covered by Peter in post 15 of the thread and pointed out that other countries use the max GVW to determine speed limits... which does seem more sensible?
My comments were relating to the UK legislation which is what the op was asking about in his post...
Andy..

 

[jezport]

Once uprated you will be in the PHG class and you have to abide by the lower speeds however you benefit from lower road fund at £165.and lower speeds aren’t a big deal in fact IMHO better.???

UNTRUE
Speed limit is based on the MIRO if its under 3050kg then you are on car limits still. My van is under 3050kg MIRO but 4500kg Gross so can still drive at car limits.

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[busby]

UNTRUE
Speed limit is based on the MIRO if its under 3050kg then you are on car limits still. My van is under 3050kg MIRO but 4500kg Gross so can still drive at car limits.

In UK yes but in Europe I doubt it..BUSBY.

 

[Allanm]

I don’t know that I would want to drive any Motorhome at 130kph?

That’s only 85mph. My sat nav stats shows my max speed was 137kph at one point though I don’t remember anything shaking to pieces!
i suspect it had a bit of a glitch..

 

[peterc10]

UNTRUE
Speed limit is based on the MIRO if its under 3050kg then you are on car limits still. My van is under 3050kg MIRO but 4500kg Gross so can still drive at car limits.

It is not the MIRO, it is the unladen weight, which is different. No allowances for driver, gas, water etc

 

[MR. FUSION]

Yes well........if you spend enough time on the German autobahns you will see mohos doing much more than that.

 

[barsteward]

Interesting thread just started here so if any one would like to try out some of these theories just try cruising up and down the M62 for a day or two.
The results should be fascinating.

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[Jewellbags]

I’m considering get my Chausson 640 uprated to allow me to carry more payload if/when required.

On my last trip, fully packed (but no water) I was bang on 3.5t.

Obviously it would be easy to go over 3.5t by adding water, more provisions or a few cases of wine, so I was thinking of uprating to cover that.

Q. If I do get it uprated, but choose to travel light, can I still treat my MoHo as being below the 3.5t limit and thus stick to the higher speed limits, or is it the case that once uprated (even if it is just a paper exercise with no physical changes) I MUST stick to the lower limits? i.e. Is it the rating that defines your speed limit, or your GVW at that point in time?

Can I ask what you did to increase the payload as I have the same MH and considering doing the same .

 

[bigtwin]

Can I ask what you did to increase the payload as I have the same MH and considering doing the same .

Contact these guys to find out if you can uprate as a paper exercise only or whether you’d need modifications.

Uprating

As you may be aware, the DVSA is paying close attention to the condition and weight of vehicles, because over recent years it has found that more and more of them are running overloaded. SvTech can uprate most makes and models of motorhomes, horseboxes, minibuses, pickups and LCVs;

www.svtech.co.uk

Ian

 

[busby]

Can I ask what you did to increase the payload as I have the same MH and considering doing the same .

Doesnt matter what weight you are running at,,you are governed by the plated weight,,BUSBY.

 

[george w menzies]

on maximum speeds if the motorhome is plated over 3.5 tonnes it falls into private HGV therefor falls into HGV speed limits
limits no matter what it's the unladen weight.

 

[bigtwin]

on maximum speeds if the motorhome is over 3.5 tonne it falls into private HGV therefor falls into HGV speed limits
limits no matter what its unladen weight.

It seems that you gave fallen for A common misconception. See here:

Speed limits

A limit of 30 miles per hour or 48 kilometres per hour usually applies to all traffic on all roads with street lighting

www.gov.uk

Ian

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[ShaKen]

It seems that you gave fallen for A common misconception. See here:

Speed limits

A limit of 30 miles per hour or 48 kilometres per hour usually applies to all traffic on all roads with street lighting

www.gov.uk

Ian

Agreed. In the UK the speed limit for motorhome is governed by what you actually weigh - not the plate. So if you are plated for 3.8t and are still under 3.05 unladen - then speed limit is the same as a car.

That is not the case in Europe; it’s the other way round.

 

[ShaKen]

Can I ask what you did to increase the payload as I have the same MH and considering doing the same .

As bigtwin says - it’s a paper exercise up to 3850kg for me. I’ve not done it yet, but will sort out before the next trip.

 

[tonyidle]

Agreed. In the UK the speed limit for motorhome is governed by what you actually weigh - not the plate. So if you are plated for 3.8t and are still under 3.05 unladen - then speed limit is the same as a car.

That is not the case in Europe; it’s the other way round.

You can never change the ULW - it is determined by the base vehicle builder. So whatever you do to uprate or indeed to load the vehicle the ULW cannot change.

 

[Jewellbags]

I’ll give svtech a call thanks chaps