UK to wait months for EU trips

[Garfields]

With our high levels of vaccination we are probably less risk to them than they are to us.

Thats the whole point we potentially are
You can still pass it on to someone
They may die but you are likely to be ok

 

[SpeedyDux]

Thats the whole point we potentially are
You can still pass it on to someone
They may die but you are likely to be ok

My understanding is that the UK's mass vaccination programme will in effect act as herd immunity, reducing the Ro number well below 1, in turn pushing the number of UK cases down to very low levels which can be further reduced and isolated by the availability of Continuous flow self-test kits. All this is only a few months or even weeks from now.

That's why I reckoned that Brits visiting (say) France (in MHs therefore vaccinated oldies, mostly) would be less risk to the French and other EU vaccination laggards, including a low risk to them of us transmitting the virus, than vice-versa. Am I being too optimistic?

(I realise that the SA variant might undermine the effectiveness of the vaccinations as explained on the Horizon Special last night. But still.)

 

[Pausim]

Does herd immunity work if thousands of UK tourists go to a country where the herd is unvaccinated. I can see tourists being welcomed in several Euoropean countries, however will they be allowed back into the UK without quarantine if they have been mixing with an infected herd?

 

[mikebeaches]

It does seem - from the content of this thread in particular - that many questions remain to be answered about the virus and the safety for all concerned with international travel.

Guess it's a case of wait and see for a bit longer...

At least, as motorhomers, we have a lot more flexibility than most. No need to fret about - should I book a package holiday this year? It's easier for us to just decide when the time is right to go across (or under ) the channel.

Helps being retired I suppose.

 

[Offagain]

And then there’s the Californian variant to consider...

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[autorouter]

From what I have read the vaccine protects you from suffering severe symptoms but not contracting it. And you can still pass it on.

There isn't enough data to know one way or the other whether you can pass it on. Hence the precautions. But if it's like other vaccines it will stop you passing it on. At the moment they can't say that definitely.

 

[Coolcats]

With our high levels of vaccination we are probably less risk to them than they are to us.

We don't have to roll over meekly when Merkel (and Macron) decide to stop us going to Spain or Greece until further notice. Who the hell do they think they are. Let's start a boycott that will help change their mindset.

Don't buy any more new Audis, BMWs, Mercs, VWs, Renaults, Peugeots, Citroens etc until we are allowed to travel into mainland Europe again. Only buy new cars that are manufactured in the UK, or Fords, Teslas and so on. If you must change the car. Same goes for new MHs. Fiat, Ford, or Iveco only. No Peugeot, Citroen, VW, or Merc base vehicles.

VW rule OK , last time we had a ‘Buy British’ campaign was back in the 70’s so thank you but I’m not buying a Triumph Herald again Have to say the only Citroen I have driven was last year it was a C3 at first I thought who on earth buys Citroen but actually it was a brilliant little car I got 60 mpg out of it.

 

[The Wino]

My understanding is that the UK's mass vaccination programme will in effect act as herd immunity, reducing the Ro number well below 1, in turn pushing the number of UK cases down to very low levels which can be further reduced and isolated by the availability of Continuous flow self-test kits. All this is only a few months or even weeks from now.

That's why I reckoned that Brits visiting (say) France (in MHs therefore vaccinated oldies, mostly) would be less risk to the French and other EU vaccination laggards, including a low risk to them of us transmitting the virus, than vice-versa. Am I being too optimistic?

(I realise that the SA variant might undermine the effectiveness of the vaccinations as explained on the Horizon Special last night. But still.)

I think the take home message from Horizon was that we are unlikely to get enough vaccinated to reach herd immunity given the increased transmissibility of the Kent variant. Of course they didn't take into account immunity from previous infection rather than by vaccine which would help. I think we are likely to therefore see quite an increase in cases as restrictions are relaxed but hopefully as the more at risk will be largely vaccinated not a huge rise in hospital cases or deaths but it's the reason slow is a good idea.
But put yourself in a different position if our country had a fairly low number vaccinated but the rest of Europe were pretty well covered in the vulnerable groups and relaxed measures were resulting in increased cases would you really want loads of them coming here?

 

[mikebeaches]

VW rule OK , last time we had a ‘Buy British’ campaign was back in the 70’s so thank you but I’m not buying a Triumph Herald again Have to say the only Citroen I have driven was last year it was a C3 at first I thought who on earth buys Citroen but actually it was a brilliant little car I got 60 mpg out of it.

Not sure if I dare admit this, but last autumn we bought our fifth Citroen (a C3 Aircross), during the last forty years.

And further, we're on our 3rd French-converted motorhome - 2 Rapido and 1 Chausson...

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Not sure if I dare admit this, but last autumn we bought our fifth Citroen (C3 Aircross), during the last forty years.

And further, we're on our 3rd French-converted motorhome - 2 Rapido and 1 Chausson...

Im the other end of the scale to you, I won’t even buy Golden Delicous Apples

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[The Wino]

I think there are many problems with trying to force other countries to let us in by not buying their stuff .
Just for a start the people most likely to take part are probably already boycotting stuff due to the fishing deal/NI border/ anti EU feelings .
Also how would the people suggesting a boycott react if the tables were turned most likely dig their heels in and reciprocate!!! What makes them think johnny foreigner won't do the same?

 

[JJ]

Not sure if I dare admit this, but last autumn we bought our fifth Citroen (C3 Aircross), during the last forty years.

And further, we're on our 3rd French-converted motorhome - 2 Rapido and 1 Chausson...

For Christ's sake don't tell Chris...


JJ

 

[SpeedyDux]

I think the take home message from Horizon was that we are unlikely to get enough vaccinated to reach herd immunity given the increased transmissibility of the Kent variant. Of course they didn't take into account immunity from previous infection rather than by vaccine which would help. I think we are likely to therefore see quite an increase in cases as restrictions are relaxed but hopefully as the more at risk will be largely vaccinated not a huge rise in hospital cases or deaths but it's the reason slow is a good idea.
But put yourself in a different position if our country had a fairly low number vaccinated but the rest of Europe were pretty well covered in the vulnerable groups and relaxed measures were resulting in increased cases would you really want loads of them coming here?

Your second paragraph is too hypothetical to need a reply.

I am hoping that the track and trace system (now searching backwards for prior contacts not just forwards for new contacts) plus the cheap and fast continuous flow tests will push the new case numbers very low indeed so we can get on with our lives.

While observing the hands, space and face guidance and lots of fresh air. I am OK with that.

 

[jumar]

Not sure if I dare admit this, but last autumn we bought our fifth Citroen (a C3 Aircross), during the last forty years.

And further, we're on our 3rd French-converted motorhome - 2 Rapido and 1 Chausson...

Me too....I just bought an Aircross....fab little car....

 

[mikebeaches]

Me too....I just bought an Aircross....fab little car....

Yeh, it's cool. Ours is petrol automatic with lots of bells and whistles - cruise control, sat-nav, reversing sensors and camera etc. We bought it 9 months after first registered with just 229 miles on the clock. Good fun, but practical too.

Oh and my lad bought one as well.

Oops, sorry, going a bit off topic...

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[Sundowners]

Portugal is desperate for British visitors ( or at least their money) -------but are extremely well aware of the risks------- the last couple of months have been really difficult------I really dont think most Portuguese are willing to risk a repeat
I dont believe the Portugal government will take much notice of any other countries recommendations---- they are quite capable of making what they believe are the best decisions for the country-------I think they realise the mistake of easing all restrictions to allow a family xmas
We are desperate to take our van for a run but have to be patient----- like our vaccination---- still only about 700 thousand had it----- but portugal are already planning to share their limited quota with old colonies..

 

[Bucket]

Im the other end of the scale to you, I won’t even buy Golden Delicous Apples

Golden delicious; a complete misnomer; they are green and utterly flavourless. haven't bought one for years and wonder why our supermarkets continue to stock them.

 

[bigalw35]

Since when does merkel rule Spain France and other countries.... Germany tried that once not long ago...

and that didn't work then

 

[jongood]

I think France could be a sticking point. Does anyone know whether they are compelled to allow us to transit?

Otherwise their tunnel could become a bit of an expensive ornament

 

[The Wino]

Your second paragraph is too hypothetical to need a reply.

I am hoping that the track and trace system (now searching backwards for prior contacts not just forwards for new contacts) plus the cheap and fast continuous flow tests will push the new case numbers very low indeed so we can get on with our lives.

While observing the hands, space and face guidance and lots of fresh air. I am OK with that.

I hope for the same and for certain if cases reduce and stay low our chances of travel abroad will be a lot better.

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[The Wino]

I think France could be a sticking point. Does anyone know whether they are compelled to allow us to transit?

Otherwise their tunnel could become a bit of an expensive ornament

Why would they be compelled to allow us to transit? Should we be compelled to allow travel by people from other nations?

 

[gus-lopez]

I cant see how they could be forced to ?

I think France could be a sticking point. Does anyone know whether they are compelled to allow us to transit?

Otherwise their tunnel could become a bit of an expensive ornament

 

[Larrynwin]

Harwich Hook and stuff the French wines cheeses cars etc .

 

[PhilandMena]

I think France could be a sticking point. Does anyone know whether they are compelled to allow us to transit?

Otherwise their tunnel could become a bit of an expensive ornament

Although I'm just a lurker now after my recent ban I thought I would respond to your post and this thread in general. (and then disappear again). Things are amok in the E.U. The E.U.Commision has started legal action against 6 E.U. countries for failing to comply with its founding principal of 'Freedom Of Movement'. The warning, which has been ignored was issued after Belgium, France and Germany, (possibly others too) closed some or all of their borders and stopped E.U. citizens from neighbouring countries entering. The said countries claim they have the right to introduce there own border controls with respect to Covid 19 and protect their citizens. Merkle, who does not speak for the E.U. commission has I believe retaliated against the commission by issuing a statement to the effect no foreign visitors allowed for holidays into the E.U. until all German citizens have been vaccinated around the end of summer ?
Greece and other countries dependant on tourism have gone ballistic and also adding to the mix, they want a E.U. wide vaccine passport that will allow people to travel freely across the E.U. Germany & France do not rely of Tourism very much and are happy to keep things pretty much the way we are at present. The E.U. is in disarray and the commission is being ignored. It's basicaly all gone tit's up!

 

[Trevor Wbm]

Duplicate post.

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[Trevor Wbm]

I think France could be a sticking point. Does anyone know whether they are compelled to allow us to transit?

Otherwise their tunnel could become a bit of an expensive ornament

Have you ever counted the relative numbers of British, French and indeed other European cars on the channel crossings? If all routes were permanently closed there would be a hugely indifferent Gallic shrug from the other side.

 

[Gellyneck]

..... with lots of bells and whistles ......

I went the whole hog and got a horn on mine!

 

[Pausim]

Am I the only one who thinks that going to Europe may not be the problem but being allowed back might be? If we stay way ahead with vaccinations will our Government lift the quarantine requirement from returnees, I think not.

 

[Brains]

I think there is tension on the subject between various EU states. Spain and Greece in particular, want to open their borders to tourists as soon as possible - including / especially the Brits.

Whereas, Germany and France want to restrict movement. And in the first instance, would only look to facilitate travel within the bloc. Thus excluding UK visitors.

It will be interesting to see which view prevails...

Spain and Greece are after the Germans and the Brits, the two big spenders, plus the rest of the northern Europeans, as tourism represents 15-20% of their entire economy.

If Spain/Greece say "you can come in as long as you have a Covid passport"
The first problem is that you cant have a Covid passport until 21 days after the 2nd jab.

The jab distribution systems of the Northern European countries then get overrun by people 'insisting on their right' to get a jab NOW.
Even the UK, which is ahead of everyone else in the EU at the moment is not expecting to get to 70% coverage until October.

Even if you have had the two jabs months ago, the UK (or any other country) does not want its citizens going on holiday to places where Covid is rife, as if if you don't get it yourself, you can still bring back, yet another new strain, and infect the people back home.

Remember the big corona pools were the ski resorts and the Mediterranean resorts

I'm with Merkel on this one.
Everyone keeps to their own country until the spring of 2022 at the very earliest, and then introduce the Covid Passport.
No Jab, No Entry.

 

[Wildbill]

Since when does merkel rule Spain France and other countries.... Germany tried that once not long ago...

Did you not realist it been happening since the concept of the common market Germany could never take over Europe by force but through the back door there doing it
probably going to hell for this post
bill

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