Tyres and ride quality/pliancy

[Crazyj]

Apologies - I’m sure there are hundreds of threads relating to this…

I have a Ducato 540 based PVC and its ride quality in abysmal. Before I look into air or semi-air suspension I thought maybe changing the tyres might be a quicker/ more cost efficient way forward, initially.

Michelin Agilis 225/R16 camper tyres are currently on the van and I know that people often ditch these in favour of other tyres. Has anyone on here done that, and to which tyres, with what sorts of results?

Thanks in advance

Jason

 

[poppycamper]

dreaded Michelin tyres

Lenny HB . May I enquire what Michelin you are referring to... please.

 

[Lenny HB]

Lenny HB . May I enquire what Michelin you are referring to... please.

The horrible camping ones, with the boneshaker ride and lousy grip, they would have probably lasted another year or two but 3 years on them was enough.

 

[poppycamper]

The horrible camping ones, with the boneshaker ride and lousy grip, they would have probably lasted another year or two but 3 years on them was enough.

Oki doki... thanx!!

 

[Crazyj]

The horrible camping ones, with the boneshaker ride and lousy grip, they would have probably lasted another year or two but 3 years on them was enough.

I’ve only done three months on mine and I’ve had enough!!

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[SSILVO]

The horrible camping ones, with the boneshaker ride and lousy grip, they would have probably lasted another year or two but 3 years on them was enough.

I have removed mine with only 5k miles of use...the difference is amazing

 

[Ivory55]

I bet 90% of normal people with cars when asking about tyres ask are they black and round and how much, am guessing prices being the deciding factor.

 

[Crazyj]

I have removed mine with only 5k miles of use...the difference is amazing

Do you mind me asking what you changed them for?

 

[Crazyj]

I bet 90% of normal people with cars when asking about tyres ask are they black and round and how much, am guessing prices being the deciding factor.

I wonder what the other 10% of ‘normal’ people do…let alone the abnormal people??

Seriously though, it seems to me that you can pay less than half the price of a Michelin camper tyre and benefit from a superior quality of ride and, possibly, grip.

 

[Crazyj]

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[Lenny HB]

I bet 90% of normal people with cars when asking about tyres ask are they black and round and how much, am guessing prices being the deciding factor.

I think most people with new cars tend to fit they tyre as the car was supplied with.

I have removed mine with only 5k miles of use...the difference is amazing

If I had changed mine before I had the air suspension I would be over 7 grand better off.

 

[Ivory55]

I think most people with new cars tend to fit they tyre as the car was supplied with.

If I had changed mine before I had the air suspension I would be over 7 grand better off.

I think most people with new cars get what the lease company says for the firm. Most people I know don’t have new cars, one mate that does gets rid of the car before the tyres are worn out.

 

[Lenny HB]

I think most people with new cars get what the lease company says for the firm. Most people I know don’t have new cars, one mate that does gets rid of the car before the tyres are worn out.

I don't know anyone who leases a car everyone I knows buys them.

 

[SSILVO]

Do you mind me asking what you changed them for?

I went for continental vanco2 all season ....

 

[Ivory55]

I don't know anyone who leases a car everyone I knows buys them.

The bil firm he works for leases, I thought most firms did

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[EuroTrotters]

Most of time UK motorhomes spend there time in Winter conditions, most of them.

Go for true Winter tyres.

Happy & Safe Travel(s)

 

[poppycamper]

With all the anti Camper van tyres (of all makes) members on here stating how shite they really are I bet there are still plenty of folk around (Funsters included) that insist that because they drive a camper van/motorhome then they Must/have to/absolutely cannot manage without camper tyres..... no exceptions

I don't know anyone who leases a car everyone I knows buys them.

Agree 100% Lenny HB . I have always bought my vehicles... HOWEVER with the trend for electric vehicles (which I will admit I am not a fan of.. I don't think it has been properly thought out.. as usual if you live in affluent South Englandshire you appear to have plenty of charging points and infrastructure . But up here we dont). I feel progress on vehicles is advancing so very quickly that it would be folly to invest in a new EV which could be obsolete in two years. However charging points are not... My mate owns his own house but is 200yds along a narrow pathway to main road where he has to park his car.. how the feck does he plug his leccy car in.. or does he have to rely on the TWO charge point his very large town are the proud owners of.
I am sure plenty will be along soon to contradict me.. mainly Gromett.. you obviously very committed and knowledgeable in this field and I would be interested to enquire what infrastructure you have where you bide to support your EV Charging..?? Or not.??? And also for you to admit that there is areas in UK that are not and may never be geared up for the infrastructure that some seem to now take for granted.

 

[Crazyj]

…can we keep this post on track please?

 

[poppycamper]

…can we keep this post on track please?

OMG you wish!!! You are a relative newby( nothing against that) HOWEVER there has NEVER but NEVER been a post on here that has kept on track.
We are the Fun Forum.. We deviate/mick take/slag/Go off track and introduce other variations of you topic...
YOU SURE YOU ON RIGHT FORUM. ???

 

[Crazyj]

OMG you wish!!! You are a relative newby( nothing against that) HOWEVER there has NEVER but NEVER been a post on here that has kept on track.
We are the Fun Forum.. We deviate/mick take/slag/Go off track and introduce other variations of you topic...
YOU SURE YOU ON RIGHT FORUM. ???

In general all replies have been really helpful, so yes, this is the right forum for me. But thanks for the insight.

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[poppycamper]

In general all replies have been really helpful, so yes, this is the right forum for me. But thanks for the insight.

Confused!! So can I please enquire why you feel the need to ask why the need to keep this thread on track if you got nothing to add.

 

[Lenny HB]

And just to keep it off track.
I love the idea of an electric car and from people who have them great to drive but when only 10-20% of our annual mileage is in the car the rest in Motorhome they are financial suicide,. If they were the same price as a ice car I would consider one.

 

[TinaLes]

The great tyre debate will carry on well after I have popped me clogs I reckon. So many different opinions on so many different vans & Mh's.
I still have the original Michelin Agilis Camper tyres on my Carthago, pumped up to the recommended 79PSI on the rear axel, but dropped to 70PSI on the front, and have not found the ride too harsh or noisy, not even a rattle from the cabinetry behind me. Despite additional sound proofing fitted by Carthago, I still hear the engine noise when its going through the gears, but I ease off ASAP so I can amuse myself in keeping the average fuel usage above 27.4MPG.

As for ICE versus EV cars......I just get into whatever my chauffeur arrives in.
Hope you all found that useful.
LES

 

[Gromett]

HOWEVER with the trend for electric vehicles (which I will admit I am not a fan of.. I don't think it has been properly thought out.. as usual if you live in affluent South Englandshire you appear to have plenty of charging points and infrastructure . But up here we dont). I feel progress on vehicles is advancing so very quickly that it would be folly to invest in a new EV which could be obsolete in two years. However charging points are not... My mate owns his own house but is 200yds along a narrow pathway to main road where he has to park his car.. how the feck does he plug his leccy car in.. or does he have to rely on the TWO charge point his very large town are the proud owners of.
I am sure plenty will be along soon to contradict me.. mainly Gromett.. you obviously very committed and knowledgeable in this field and I would be interested to enquire what infrastructure you have where you bide to support your EV Charging..?? Or not.??? And also for you to admit that there is areas in UK that are not and may never be geared up for the infrastructure that some seem to now take for granted.

I have given up on this debate as it has been done to death time and time again. I will state my position as briefly as possible. Please note there will be no nuance so you will be able to dig holes in it if you are that way inclined.
1) NO. EV's are not suitable for everyone right now, due to high cost and lack of charging infrastructure in some areas. (Price will come down, and infrastructure will develop)
2) Diesel and Petrol is not going anywhere for the next 8 years + 13 years average lifetime of a 2nd hand car. So 21 years.
3) There is plenty of time to get infrastructure in place.
4) Charging is now almost as profitable as fossil fuel supply ( see here )
5) Due to 4 and the fact that councils, government and business is now investing I don't see any reason to panic on the general EV charging infrastructure.
6) Currently there are places where you cannot charge at or near home. This will change. It is not hard to run a cable to the road side, it just takes resources and time. It will happen for pretty much everyone over time.

 

[Lenny HB]

I have given up on this debate

Hooray

Sorry Karl I couldn't resist.

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[Crazyj]

Confused!! So can I please enquire why you feel the need to ask why the need to keep this thread on track if you got nothing to add.

I’m glad you edited your post. The unedited version is in my email. I have to say I struggled to understand your rant, it looked like you’d let a coked up chimpanzee loose on your keyboard (I’m guessing it was late and you’d had a few sherbets) although I’m not sure what you meant about me slagging off other people’s views which differ from mine? I don’t think that has actually happened.

I started this thread to get advice, so at the moment, and until I have changed my tyres, I don’t actually have anything to add. I just thought it would be helpful for me and for others looking for advice on tyres if I didn’t have to scroll through irrelevant posts about BEVs and the great north/south divide or whatever it was you were rambling on about

Mind you, as we’re talking about it, I’m looking to get a BEV soon as I’m sure the government will be taxing me out of my current car in the not too distant future.

 

[Jamesh]

Getty Ng back to tyres

In my understanding CP tyres and caravan equivalents are designed for infrequent users who use thier MH for a Easter, summer, autumn trip and lay it up in between..

However if it's your daily driver, FLT, regularly do longer tours,vuse it every weekend then CP tyres aren't needed???

The stiff side walls are nearer to run flats...

I bet they are rebranded 121 rated tyres?!

Cheers James

 

[Crazyj]

Getty Ng back to tyres

In my understanding CP tyres and caravan equivalents are designed for infrequent users who use thier MH for a Easter, summer, autumn trip and lay it up in between..

However if it's your daily driver, FLT, regularly do longer tours,vuse it every weekend then CP tyres aren't needed???

The stiff side walls are nearer to run flats...

I bet they are rebranded 121 rated tyres?!

Cheers James

Thanks James - yes, this is my understanding too. I’ve had cars in the past with run flats and they’re just awful. My current car has 20” wheels with a narrow strip of licorice for tyres and they give a far more pliant ride (along with some witchcraft in the damping department).

I’m getting from this thread that it’s best to swap out of CP tyres if you use your MH regularly, and pretty much anything else will be more comfortable, at least.

 

[Crazyj]

One further question for peeps in the know….

Are non-camper tyres more likely to puncture due to their softer sidewalls and is it therefore advisable to carry a spare?

TIA

 

[Lenny HB]

One further question for peeps in the know….

Are non-camper tyres more likely to puncture due to their softer sidewalls and is it therefore advisable to carry a spare?

TIA

No and most van tyres have strengthend strops on the side walls to guard against kerb bashing.
I wouldn't consider going anywhere without a spare.

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[Emmit]

The great tyre debate will carry on well after I have popped me clogs I reckon. So many different opinions on so many different vans & Mh's.
I still have the original Michelin Agilis Camper tyres on my Carthago, pumped up to the recommended 79PSI on the rear axel, but dropped to 70PSI on the front, and have not found the ride too harsh or noisy, not even a rattle from the cabinetry behind me. Despite additional sound proofing fitted by Carthago, I still hear the engine noise when its going through the gears, but I ease off ASAP so I can amuse myself in keeping the average fuel usage above 27.4MPG.

As for ICE versus EV cars......I just get into whatever my chauffeur arrives in.
Hope you all found that useful.
LES

Do you know,
The French don't have a word for "chauffeur"
I'll get me coat.