Tyre advice please.

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SAMSTAR 2023 said:
I can get a full set of those fitted for £470 . . .
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I did try online etc etc but in Surrey seems expensive even at my Local Guy I always go to and is always Mega Busy.
National Tyres said they would come out for £199 a tyre... I did enquire last May about these and was at £110 a tyre... This 'CP' thing seems to add cost.
 
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daventess said:
Ended up ordering 2x MICHELIN AGILIS CROSSCLIMATE

probably paid way too much, but until I get a little more knowledgable I thought I'd play it relatively safely for my first trip to France ...
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You really do not want to mix 4 season tyres with CP tyres there will be a bit difference in grip levels quite dangerous.
I would order another pair for the other axle. If you do mix them make sure the new ones on on the rear but I wouldn't mix them.

Also France and Spain if you have a puncher and need to change a wheel both tyres on the same axle have to be the same tyre, make, size & rating.
 
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Lenny HB said:
You really do not want to mix 4 season tyres with CP tyres there will be a bit difference in grip levels quite dangerous.
I would order another pair for the other axle. If you do mix them make sure the new ones on on the rear but I wouldn't mix them.

Also France and Spain if you have a puncher and need to change a wheel both tyres on the same axle have to be the same tyre, make, size & rating.
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Hmm... didn't think of that. Seems everything I do is wrong at the moment!
 
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Lenny HB said:
You really do not want to mix 4 season tyres with CP tyres there will be a bit difference in grip levels quite dangerous.
I would order another pair for the other axle. If you do mix them make sure the new ones on on the rear but I wouldn't mix them.

Also France and Spain if you have a puncher and need to change a wheel both tyres on the same axle have to be the same tyre, make, size & rating.
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Would you or anyone else recommend a multi season tyre for a complete set? I'm just going round in circles here :)
225/75/r16 (118 / Q)

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I fitted Toyo Observe Van to my got rid of the crap Michelin CP's well before they were worn out, rdie and grip was atrocious.
The Toyo have good grip comfortable ride. Fronts are wearing quicker but rears about the same, we are 4500 kg.
They are around £120 each.
 
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BikerGraham said:
Mine are 7 years old now with 12000 miles on so plenty of tread. Van is 6 years old, had it 10 months.

But will be changing to these too before driving to Spain in December.

Biggest decision though is whether to stick with the 215/70/15 or change to 225/70/15 which incidentally are slightly cheaper.
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You should note the rolling radius will be different if you swap, so will slightly change your gearing and speedometer readings.
 
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daventess said:
Would you or anyone else recommend a multi season tyre for a complete set? I'm just going round in circles here :)
225/75/r16 (118 / Q)
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I’m going for these, not fitting until September, just before Spain trip.
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Speaking to the tyre tech @ Walkers Tyres (ProTyres) about motorhome tyre life, he said they may look okay externally but it is what's going on internally that's important - his professional opinion was that five to seven years was optimum tyre life.
 
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Calamaster said:
By Coincidence I changed my 2 Fronts TODAY on Autotrail Cheyenne 696SE.
I also noted that no one mentioned the 'CP' letter on the tyre. CP is especially for Motorhomes. Apparently, insurance may become invalid if you don't have a CP rated tyre....Hmmmm (not sure about that!).
My Tyres are Continental 225/75 R 16 CP £400 fitted for the 2 fronts.
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That’s not the case. My van is on a Merc Sprinter chassis. The tyres fitted new by the manufacturer (Frankia) were Continental Vanco’s. They are not rated CP. Michelin CP tyres are not available in my size. When they hit 6.5 years old I swapped them and I chose to fit the all seasons with higher load rating. Insurance wasn’t affected (Comfort)

Edit: PS They were fitted by Jwikfit on the drive at home. I never thought I’d say it. They did a really good job!

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OldCodger said:
That’s not the case. My van is on a Merc Sprinter chassis. The tyres fitted new by the manufacturer (Frankia) were Continental Vanco’s. They are not rated CP. Michelin CP tyres are not available in my size. When they hit 6.5 years old I swapped them and I chose to fit the all seasons with higher load rating. Insurance wasn’t affected (Comfort)
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Apparently the 'CP' thingy means they are less liable to cracking when laid up.. I dunno.
I am looking at Self levelling rig to jack the whole rig up in winter anyway.
I cannot find what Fiat install on my rig as manufactured - though 2006 - must be better tyres nowadays??
My ex Lotus Esprit ALWAYS had the exact tyre replaced that Lotus stuck on in the first place...... so tempted to stick on some monster wellies that did not exist then....but HeHo..
 
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Like you I spent ages going round in circles on new tryes and eventuall bought Maxxis All Season Tyres as have a few other funsters. We have been very happy with them and there are some good reviews.

www.google.com

Vansmart AS AL2

The Vansmart AS AL2 is an all-season van tyre with a high load rating to ensure you can get from A to B in your van, whatever the weather.
www.google.com
 
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Paul and Val said:
Well the first question is, have you informed and obtained your Insurance company is ok with the 4.4T and that you are covered? I assume that you have.
Then you need to get their approval for the tyres and what load they will accept.
There is no problem ever with insurance UNTIL you have an accident. You might well get away with it. It depends on the Inspector and the Company but if you have uprated without telling them or the tyres are not exactly what should be on then they will refuse cover.
If you run into the back of a car and cause somebody serious whiplash you could end up losing your home and everything else that you have. I am not being alarmist but Insurance companies will not pay out unless they have to.

I will give an example. The case I am going to quote is about 20 years ago but I remember it well.
A guy hired a car for the weekend. He told the insurance company that he had a clean licence.
He ran into a car and wrote off the other vehicle and caused serious but repairable damage to the hire vehicle.
When he claimed the Insurance people examined his licence and he had a two year old conviction for speeding and three points.
They refused all cover so he took the Insurance company to Court.
The insurance company admitted that as there was only three points and one offence that they would not have raised the tariff to hire the car, it would have been the same price exactly.
Despite the above the Insurance company won the case and the guy was left with not only the cost of repair of the two vehicles but also the other drivers injuries.
He had to sell his house in order to pay.

As I say, you may never have an accident and if you do have a claim, you may 'get away with it'. But if not.............
The moral of the story is always get anything in writing from yoot insurance. NEVER rely on a conversation.
Happy motoring.
Paulus
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Now I understand why you keep going on about insurance, the chap you are referring to though had purposely lied by not declaring his points. This is completely different to someone using replacement tyres which are legally permitted and meet the same safety etc criteria as the originals, if someone put on lower spec tyres though which were not suitable that's a different matter completely.

It's the same with uprating as companies are not interested unless you have recovery with the policy in which case you need to ensure that you are not over their maximum recovery weight, it wouldn't negate your policy.

There's no harm in contacting your insurer but scaremongering about changing tyres is OTT.
 
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BikerGraham said:
Mine are 7 years old now with 12000 miles on so plenty of tread. Van is 6 years old, had it 10 months.

But will be changing to these too before driving to Spain in December.

Biggest decision though is whether to stick with the 215/70/15 or change to 225/70/15 which incidentally are slightly cheaper.
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Same issue. We are deffo going to 225/70/R15, up from 215 next time out. Currently Bridgestone Duravais All Season is winning, because they are the best all season tyre in the wet, bar none. Cost is Between £120 - £150 per boot.

Checked with insurance (Comfort) and they weren't interested in me going up a size.
 
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DDJC said:
Same issue. We are deffo going to 225/70/R15, up from 215 next time out. Currently Bridgestone Duravais All Season is winning, because they are the best all season tyre in the wet, bar none. Cost is Between £120 - £150 per boot.

Checked with insurance (Comfort) and they weren't interested in me going up a size.
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That’s good to hear as with comfort also. Also it interests when told them up plating to 3850kg.
They seem pretty laid back.🤔🤔

Will have a look at the Bridgestone. They are my go to tyres for my motorbikes for the last 15 years
 
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BikerGraham said:
That’s good to hear as with comfort also. Also it interests when told them up plating to 3850kg.
They seem pretty laid back.🤔🤔

Will have a look at the Bridgestone. They are my go to tyres for my motorbikes for the last 15 years
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Note that when you Up Plate to over 3500Kg your breakdown / recover insurance needs checking. I was caught out years ago as Para 22.1.3a said 'Max weight: 3500Kg'. I was left with £800 recovery bill for a 2 mile journey... Ouch!
 
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Calamaster said:
Note that when you Up Plate to over 3500Kg your breakdown / recover insurance needs checking. I was caught out years ago as Para 22.1.3a said 'Max weight: 3500Kg'. I was left with £800 recovery bill for a 2 mile journey... Ouch!
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Yep did that at the time and no weight mentioned. Comfort all ok with it.

It’s up for renewal now strangely enough and checked that again and all ok.
 
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I think the law about identical tyres only applies to french vehicles. A UK reg vehicle only has to be legal in its country of registration while abroad. As long as the tyres are legal in the UK they should be ok in France
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Boldly said:
I think the law about identical tyres only applies to french vehicles. A UK reg vehicle only has to be legal in its country of registration while abroad. As long as the tyres are legal in the UK they should be ok in France
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Try telling that to a French or Spanish tyre fitter.
 
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Lenny HB said:
Try telling that to a French or Spanish tyre fitter.
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Had a puncture on the Dieppe ferry. French immigration helped me change it 5 in the morning on the quayside. Couldn't find anyone with right size as a Saturday. Anyway got to urrugne on the spare where a nice french tyrefitter ordered me one on Monday no problem. Fitted Tuesday and advised about the French law but sent on my way anyway.2018 that was. Tyre place right outside la roulleta camp site.
 
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Boldly said:
Had a puncture on the Dieppe ferry. French immigration helped me change it 5 in the morning on the quayside. Couldn't find anyone with right size as a Saturday. Anyway got to urrugne on the spare where a nice french tyrefitter ordered me one on Monday no problem. Fitted Tuesday and advised about the French law but sent on my way anyway.2018 that was. Tyre place right outside la roulleta camp site.
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You were lucky they normally insist on selling you two.

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Lenny HB said:
You were lucky they normally insist on selling you two.
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Probably didn't want to see a grown man cry at the additional cost ... the price of just one would be eyewatering! :giggle:
 
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Interesting stuff! I had a really good conversation with the technical manager of one of the leading tyre companies and here are few of the things he said:
He advised me to use CP tyres on my motorhome. I should add that they do not manufacture CP tyres so it wasn’t as a sales pitch.
He talked about how these were designed and constructed with continuous high loads in mind and with extended stops as opposed to van tyres where they are used more or less continuously with the load varying as the van is sometimes full and sometimes empty.
He said that it was unwise to under-inflate tyres, commonly by several psi to ‘soften the ride’ as this compromises the load carrying performance of the tyre.
I suppose it’s obvious really but he also said the the most load is put on the tyres on longer sweeping fast bends where most of the weight is taken on one side of the vehicle.
He referred me to the site - www.tyresafe.org which he said has been developed in conjunction with four of the top manufactures and there is a particular section on motorhomes.
Hope that you find this helpful.
 
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Pulteney said:
Interesting stuff! I had a really good conversation with the technical manager of one of the leading tyre companies and here are few of the things he said:
He advised me to use CP tyres on my motorhome. I should add that they do not manufacture CP tyres so it wasn’t as a sales pitch.
He talked about how these were designed and constructed with continuous high loads in mind and with extended stops as opposed to van tyres where they are used more or less continuously with the load varying as the van is sometimes full and sometimes empty.
He said that it was unwise to under-inflate tyres, commonly by several psi to ‘soften the ride’ as this compromises the load carrying performance of the tyre.
I suppose it’s obvious really but he also said the the most load is put on the tyres on longer sweeping fast bends where most of the weight is taken on one side of the vehicle.
He referred me to the site - www.tyresafe.org which he said has been developed in conjunction with four of the top manufactures and there is a particular section on motorhomes.
Hope that you find this helpful.
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Won't convince me to use CP tyres, I like tyres that have some grip. Michelin CP tyres must be the worst tyres for grip, dreadful things.
How come lots of manufacturers fit van tyres as standard on their vans, e.g. N&B, Morelo, Concorde to name a few.
 
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Lenny HB said:
Won't convince me to use CP tyres, I like tyres that have some grip. Michelin CP tyres must be the worst tyres for grip, dreadful things.
How come lots of manufacturers fit van tyres as standard on their vans, e.g. N&B, Morelo, Concorde to name a few.
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Are any of the other CP tyres any good?

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