TWO Swift Engineers at my home now - Brand new Motorhome and sloppy work!

[596]

The bed should be a design feature not a design eyesore.
Sort of , How clever is this bed ?

Don't start me on the fffing bed, there is a whole thread to come on that, there are things you would just not comprehend!

 

[olley]

We should have the same though as I stated ,it should be world wide. A nurse doesn't call herself a doctor. Same in Germany as well.

In America a train driver is an engineer.

 

[138go]

I would say Swift are the sloppy ones and in fact Lowdhams have been sweeping up their messes, but on this occasion Lowdhams should have repaired it properly but Swift did send it out with parts missing, only discovered because of the national recall!

I did warn you but it fell on deaf ears.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

I did warn you but it fell on deaf ears.

Was that an “I told you so” ?

 

[596]

Can you not reject this van under the consumer act and ask for your money back. If more customers did this then I am sure they would put some effort into improving quality.

99.9% of the motorhome is perfect, just a few niggling issues, all cosmetic, I don’t need the motorhome until next July, in fact it has been put to bed now with its new luxurious cover on I am retired and have all the time in the world, trust me EVERYTHING will be put right, it’s just sloppy work ?

I actually think it would be rare to buy a new motorhome and in some cases a car and not have the odd niggle, how you deal with the niggle is the main thing! I have the attention of the head operations, although little things seem simple the company is pretty disorganised communication wise, I have brought all the parties together and told them to sort it out. My ‘lost’ towbar that I have already paid for has now been found and is being delivered next week, bed engineers were at my home Wed and Thur so yes action underway ?

As for the major leak In the rear lounge roof and damage to the floor from flooding which will mean a new floor throughout, this could be done before we head for France ?. The cracked shower tray and toilet seat missing are minor compared to the rest, and the mouldy cushions are being replaced with PVC ones, apparently they don’t go mouldy so quick, the last issue is the huge oil leak, apparently that’s not normal. Oh I’m only joking about all this in this paragraph so by the time you read it and get to here your mind will have been working overtime! ?

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[Cheshirecat57]

Ahhhh, reverted to type.
You got me

 

[Lanerboy]

596 ,have you used a cover before, not sure what type you have but I had one a green waterproof type one years ago on my caravan and over the winter it rubbed in the wind and marked all the edges of the van, I personally would not use one again, I would hate for it to damage your new vehicle so please check it in a week or so

 

[Basildog]

We should have the same though as I stated ,it should be world wide. A nurse doesn't call herself a doctor. Same in Germany as well.

Back to the OP. It would not only drive me mad but unhinge me.


If they are pictures of the same moorhome then the first one has them misaligned high & the other side misaligned low. If It was mine & someone told me that was acceotable I would knock them out.It isn't. Not in any way & anyone attempting to justify it should be put to death.

Harsh but fair ?

 

[596]

596 ,have you used a cover before, not sure what type you have but I had one a green waterproof type one years ago on my caravan and over the winter it rubbed in the wind and marked all the edges of the van, I personally would not use one again, I would hate for it to damage your new vehicle so please check it in a week or so

Yes I have had a few covers over the years, just a few , yes I understand your concerns, has it ever happened to me, no, could it happen, yes, what would I rather have, a soaking wet interior of a Swift Konleakie or a couple of rub marks that can polish out? Let me just think for a second........

 

[nicholsong]

Yes I have had a few covers over the years, just a few , yes I understand your concerns, has it ever happened to me, no, could it happen, yes, what would I rather have, a soaking wet interior of a Swift Konleakie or a couple of rub marks that can polish out? Let me just think for a second........

Would you rather have a leaking MH in a thunderstorm on a motorway or stop on the hard shoulder to put the cover on?

Now think for a second.

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[596]

Would you rather have a leaking MH in a thunderstorm on a motorway or stop on the hard shoulder to put the cover on?

Now think for a second.

I’ve thought, will just wear the Swift complimentary waterproofs

 

[Larrynwin]

Souwester

 

[nicholsong]

I’ve thought, will just wear the Swift complimentary waterproofs

Like we wore our crew raincoats - back-to-front - on Bristol Freighters, because in the rain when you opened the throttles for take-off the heavens opened from the upper windows in the cockpit.

I could never understand how the R/T switches on the control columns survived.

 

[Flook]

Quote from the Engineering Council
The words engineer and engineering have both been in common use for centuries in the UK. Neither is legally defined and in everyday language the term engineer is very often taken to mean anyone who is in some way associated with engineering, including the design, manufacture, maintenance or operation of a technical product or system

Definition from the Cambridge Dictionary
a person whose job is to repair or control machines, engines, or electrical equipment:

I have been reading this post with the utmost of interest, I do not own a Swift Motorhome, but I used to be an engineer (what some of you may say an engineer of sorts) I used to be that guy that turned up to repair your domestic appliance, yes your wash and dish washers, fridges, ovens and ranges. Used to grovel around in cat and or dog poo, dirty floors etc. Asked by high end technicians and engineers who could not fit a plug if I would be so kind enough to repair there out of date (very old) fridge - hob - range and so on. Yes I done all that, and tidied up after myself and tried very hard not to cause damage to ones new multi grand kitchen. I had to be very adaptable with very little back up which high qualified engineers and technicians had.

So would you call me an engineer, and yes I was Corgi qualified, also in years gone past I was in prototype development as well. Also served and apprenticeship in electronics, tickets to prove it. I used to be insured for 10mil as well just to be in your home. Worked on air bases for the PSA as well.

So the question I have is this, would you consider me as a qualified engineer, if so in what of the multitude area's of engineering would I be.

Flook.

 

[DJA]

Like we wore our crew raincoats - back-to-front - on Bristol Freighters,

Use to see lots of Cyclists riding around in the rain in Nigeria with their coats on back to front.

Should this advice be added to the Swift manual.

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[596]

I have been reading this post with the utmost of interest, I do not own a Swift Motorhome, but I used to be an engineer (what some of you may say an engineer of sorts) I used to be that guy that turned up to repair your domestic appliance, yes your wash and dish washers, fridges, ovens and ranges. Used to grovel around in cat and or dog poo, dirty floors etc. Asked by high end technicians and engineers who could not fit a plug if I would be so kind enough to repair there out of date (very old) fridge - hob - range and so on. Yes I done all that, and tidied up after myself and tried very hard not to cause damage to ones new multi grand kitchen. I had to be very adaptable with very little back up which high qualified engineers and technicians had.

So would you call me an engineer, and yes I was Corgi qualified, also in years gone past I was in prototype development as well. Also served and apprenticeship in electronics, tickets to prove it. I used to be insured for 10mil as well just to be in your home. Worked on air bases for the PSA as well.

So the question I have is this, would you consider me as a qualified engineer, if so in what of the multitude area's of engineering would I be.

Flook.

Could you have a look at my bed? I think you could sort it ?

 

[Flook]

If I look at it I will confirm for you that it is a bed, however what quality it would be, well, I would leave that to you.

Being partly OCD myself, I share your concerns, and I think if I was still not happy, and having spent out all that hard earned, plus all the extra's, I would have had words with them about not only a replacement 596, but all those extras to be fitted as well. However, that is me, sorting out manufacturers build/working issues as well as the installers incorrect fitting and so on, I can understand and appreciate your frustrations. However, for final inspection purposes, it is always advisable to have her indoors to check it out. The other halves are hawk eyed, well mine is

 

[596]

If I look at it I will confirm for you that it is a bed, however what quality it would be, well, I would leave that to you.

Being partly OCD myself, I share your concerns, and I think if I was still not happy, and having spent out all that hard earned, plus all the extra's, I would have had words with them about not only a replacement 596, but all those extras to be fitted as well. However, that is me, sorting out manufacturers build/working issues as well as the installers incorrect fitting and so on, I can understand and appreciate your frustrations. However, for final inspection purposes, it is always advisable to have her indoors to check it out. The other halves are hawk eyed, well mine is

I done feel it’s that bad that it needs changed, it’s just a few annoying cosmetic things, nothing that can’t be put right with will. As for changing the Motorhome mine is a limited edition one with different interior and graphics to the standard 596, the new 596 called Kontiki Sport is grey inside and not to our taste, anyway should all be sorted soon, I have until July next year to sort it before we use it, but looking like we may give it a go between Christmas and New Year ?

 

[SIFTA SAM]

Like we wore our crew raincoats - back-to-front - on Bristol Freighters, because in the rain when you opened the throttles for take-off the heavens opened from the upper windows in the cockpit.

I could never understand how the R/T switches on the control columns survived.

I never heard the Wright brothers complain about the weather.

 

[Geo]

nuts

99.9% of the motorhome is perfect, just a few niggling issues, all cosmetic, I don’t need the motorhome until next July, in fact it has been put to bed now with its new luxurious cover on I am retired and have all the time in the world, trust me EVERYTHING will be put right, it’s just sloppy work ?

I

As for the major leak In the rear lounge roof and damage to the floor from flooding which will mean a new floor throughout, this could be done before we head for France ?. The cracked shower tray and toilet seat missing are minor compared to the rest, and the mouldy cushions are being replaced with PVC ones, apparently they don’t go mouldy so quick, the last issue is the huge oil leak, apparently that’s not normal. Oh I’m only joking about all this in this paragraph so by the time you read it and get to here your mind will have been working overtime! ?

Many a true word is spoken in jest

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[Flook]

Geo, was it in jest, or will the truth be out

 

[SuperMike]

What is an Engineer ? An example of what it can take, not definitive of course.

Some years ago, having just got his GCSE’s, No.2 son sat at the dinner table and stated that as he did not want any degree type debt, he was going to apply to Rolls Royce for a degree apprenticeship. Right says I, good luck with that, not a chance in hell, they will have applications a mile high, well it turned out after heaps of questions, emails, exams, medical, interview and of course his A level results, dad was wrong and he was one of ten taken on that year and so it began.

His first year was spent in RR training school where the old boys taught these lads to file, turn, mill, weald, grind etc and at every turn, three goes and you were out. For example file a 1” square piece to fit a 1” square hole to tolerance ( All the training stuff is still imperial, they see no reason to change it, after all it’s served many years) and if you can work a ruler, micrometer, vernier etc then the unit is irrelevant. They were paying him a stipend as an apprentice and if he reached the degree bit all his fees and a small living wage would be paid. In return they did not make it easy, training school all week and piles of written homework over the weekends. He also had to undergo regular on the spot drug and alcohol checks, so no coming in hungover.

When he qualified for that bit the degree in his chosen subject, which they had to agree, Electronics, began and so it piled on. Degree studies during the week, training school at the weekend and of course the homework and uni coursework. It was very hard going and several times daddy had to gently talk to him as he fought his way forward. Each year he had to achieve a first or funding for the following year would stop and out you would go. But at the end of his Bachelors he received a First with Honours and a prize for the best course work. At that point they employed him as a System Engineer on a salary that was never in my world.

Then came the Masters in Engineering and the pressure, which It appears had been mild up to now, began to really pile on. Uni and work during the week and any Uni time in excess of one day to be made up either by working the time, evenings and weekends or by giving up days of his annual holidays. Now his coursework and Thesis were centred around something he discovered that saved RR money, payback time. This was all very, very, hard going and several times daddy again had to speak to him to keep him on the right track. Then women stepped into the frame, god help me they need time, but after several false starts he found a young lady who has brains, who herself is motivated and who is ready and able to support and make copious cups of coffee and is prepared to just be there. So several years of this slog and this September he graduated with a Merit In both Electronics and Nuclear Electronics. Now he is a Systems Lead Engineer on a salary even more not in my world.

So now he is qualified engineer, well actually not quite. He needs his Chartership to properly claim he is an Engineer in RR’s eyes and so it begins again. He now has a Chartership adviser to support him and a Chartered Fellow has kindly offered to be his sponsor, perhaps he recognises talent, and all he has to do now is put in all the paperwork, take the exams and interview and he might actually be there. Unless he wants to take his RR money saving idea into the PhD world, but for the moment he is happy where he is. Just as a note, of the original ten lads that started, three made it to the end.

It would be remiss of me not to mention his bosses boss, who would stay late in the evenings working with him to explain anything he was struggling with. Perhaps he saw himself in the lad.

So that’s Mike example of a proper engineer, as said an example only based on experience and the years of shear hard slog it takes. Having said all that Engineer is not a protected term and so anyone who can hold a screwdriver can make the claim, but I know the REAL truth.

As an aside, this very supportive young lady is a qualified Midwife and that term is protected, if you not got the paperwork then you are a doula. Call his young lady that and watch the sparks fly.

 

[bigtwin]

What is an Engineer ? An example of what it can take, not definitive of course.

Some years ago, having just got his GCSE’s, No.2 son sat at the dinner table and stated that as he did not want any degree type debt, he was going to apply to Rolls Royce for a degree apprenticeship. Right says I, good luck with that, not a chance in hell, they will have applications a mile high, well it turned out after heaps of questions, emails, exams, medical and interview, dad was wrong and he was one of ten taken on that year and so it began.

His first year was spent in RR training school where the old boys taught these lads to file, turn, mill, weald grind etc and at every turn, three goes and you where out. For example file a 1” square piece to fit a 1” square hole to tolerance ( All the training stuff is still imperial, they see no reason to change it, after all it’s served many years) and if you can work a ruler, micrometer, vernier etc then the unit is irrelivant. They were paying him a stipend as an apprentice and if he reached the degree bit all his fees and a small living wage would be paid. In return they did not make it easy, training school all week and piles of written homework over the weekends.

When he qualified for that bit the degree in his chosen subject, which they had to agree, Electronics, began and so it piled on. Degree studies during the week, training school at the weekend and of course the homework and uni coursework. It was very hard going and several times daddy had to gently talk to him as he fought his way forward. Each year he had to achieve a first or funding for the following year would stop and out you would go. But at the end of his Bachelors he received a First with Honours and a prize for the best course work. At that point they employed him as a System Engineer on a salary that was never in my world.

Then came the Masters in Engineering and the pressure, which It appears had been mild up to now, began to really pile on. Uni and work during the week and any Uni time in excess of one day to be made up either by working the time, evenings and weekends or by giving up days of his annual holidays. Now his course work and Dissipation were centred around something he discovered that saved RR money, payback time. This was all very, very, hard going and several times daddy again had to speak to him to keep him on the right track. Then women stepped into the frame, god help me they need time, but after several false starts he found a young lady who has brains, who herself is motivated and who is ready and able to support and make copious cups of coffee and is prepared to just be there. So several years of this slog and this September he graduated with a First with Merit In both Electronis and Nuclear Electronics. Now he is a Systems Lead Engineer on a salary even more not in my world.

So now he is qualified engineer, well actually not quite. He needs his Chartership to properly claim he is an Engineer in RR’s eyes and so it begins again. He now has a Chartership adviser to support him and a Chartered Fellow has offered to be his sponsor and all he has to do now is put in all the paperwork, take the exams and interview and he might actually be there. Unless he wants to take his RR money saving idea into the PhD world, but for the moment he is happy where he is. Just as a note, of the original ten lads that started, three made it to the end.

So that’s Mike example of a proper engineer, as said an example only based on experience and the years of shear hard slog it takes. Having said all that Engineer is not a protected term and so anyone who can hold a screwdriver can make the claim, but I know the REAL truth.

As an aside, this very supportive young lady is a qualified Midwife and that is protected, if you not got the paperwork then you are a doula. Call his young lady that and watch the sparks fly.

There is no question that he is already an Engineer. If the institute accept his application then he will be a Chartered Engineer.

But, as you say, any man and his dog can refer to themselves as an engineer and everyone (in the UK) other than an Engineer will consider those (and their dogs) as an engineer. It is galling for those who are Engineers.

Unlike this country, our continental cousins have huge respect for Engineers.

Well done to your son, and to you for your encouragement to him.

Ian

 

[olley]

Boys done good sm, must have got the brains from his mum.

 

[SuperMike]

Boys done good sm, must have got the brains from his mum.

Possible OilyFellow, but where did he get the good looks.

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[34127]

At one point in my working life I was a Clinical Technologist. To get to this level you needed a degree in either Physics, Science, or Medical Engineering. I was not a clinician so was I a Technologist, Technician, Physicist, Scientist, or Engineer.
The name or title is irrelevant, it is what is behind the name or title that is important.
I came across many highly skilled technicians who where streets ahead on many engineers in terms of qualifications, specialist knowledge and ability.

 

[Vipar]

Rest assured folks I am not an engineer of any sort. I am as quoted a lump ammer gezzer from sarf London.

 

[Flook]

How do you think I repaired microwave ovens

 

[SuperMike]

How do you think I repaired microwave ovens

No idea, possibly like me, swap out the bits till it works. One bit at a time of course, or as my dear Daddy would have said, " Otherewise you will have no idea which bit fixed it " .

 

[Nirvanauk]

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