Two Go Back in Time

We stayed until Monday morning at Seurre, giving us a full day of rest but on the Sunday morning we walked to the apple fête of course and where there were indeed a lot of apples.

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The above is just a small sample, there must have been around a hundred different varieties on display.

And there were cooked apples. :)

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And a demonstration of apple pressing which started with the apples being put through a garden shredder. :)

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Once the apples were shredded they were then put through a second time to cut them into even smaller pieces which were then spread on cloth in the press.

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The cloth was then folded over to cover the apple pulp, a slatted wooden board placed on top and then another layer added and so on.

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Squeeze until no more juice comes out.

But it wasn't all apples, there was the usual craft fair stuff plus various food stalls. We bought some goats' cheese which we ate crumbled over a salad with crusty bread - yummy. :)

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From Seurre we followed the Saône river downstream for a while on minor roads until we reached Chalon Sur Saône where we drove south for about 60 km on the motorway to just outside Mâcon and the completely free aire at Vinzelles, CC13706.

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The aire, which is mixed parking, is pretty new. It doesn't have dedicated spaces for MHs but no one seems to mind where you park. The services are completely free although it only has one tap for water which of course means it gets used for cassette flushing. :(

We walked around the village on minor roads and explored the centre. It is a small village surrounded by vineyards.

The war memorial had an interesting entry.

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The "Vve" in the name is the abbreviation for veuve, French for widow. Fusillee is shot.

The First World War entries were also interesting.

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Note the bottom line with three sharing the same surname. In such a small place they were probably related.

The map below shows where Vinzelles is in relation to the rest of France.

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Vinzelles is the blue blob just above Lyon and today we drove to 40km north west of Lyon to another free aire at Les Sauvages, CC9769.

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This area of France seems to be a geocache desert, there were none near Vinzelles and only one here, about 500m away near of all things an observatory and a model aircraft flying area.

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The strip of tarmac beyond the white fence with a dotted line running down it isn't a road, it is the runway for the model aircraft club. :)

We walked for about an hour finishing up by coming back through the village, which looked fairly prosperous, probably because we are not far from Lyon.

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As in Vinzelles we sought out the memorial which recorded over 40 names from WW1 but only two from WW2.

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The 1870-1871 names must be from the Franco-Prussian war.

Outside the village we came across this sign suggesting this is a dark skies area - or they are saving electricity. :)

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The sky is clear at the moment so I will peek outside once it gets dark. :)
 
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Well it didn't get dark! A sign we saw this morning suggested the street lights are only turned off between 23:00 and 05:00 which meant they were still on when I went to bed and this was easy to determine as we were parked under one. :)

We didn't drive far today, not much more than half an hour brought us to Roanne and an aire on the Loire, CC 2232. It has a perfect location but sadly you can't get fresh water or empty the cassette using a UK debit bank card here so we will move on tomorrow.

Where we are is shown here.

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The blue blob shows us on the side of the port, which is the end of the 55km long Roanne canal. The other end of the canal joins the junction between the Loire canal, which goes to the Atlantic and the Central canal which joins the Rhone and eventually the Mediterranean.

We went for a walk around the port this afternoon.

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On the far bank in this shot is the aire, our van is in there hiding behind a tree. :)

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I'm not sure how the Newhaven registered boat in the foreground got here but on the right above is an interesting boat. A floating garden, here in close up.

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The tree on top really is on the boat and not part of the background. :)

This is where we are in the bigger picture.

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Mrs DBK made a perfect homemade pizza tonight. It was a difficult decision whether to eat in or visit the three Michelin star Troisgros which isn't far away. Apparently it is one of the finest restaurants in France - but I bet they don't serve Mrs DBK's pizza. :)

Tomorrow we will go to the middle of France, or at least one place amongst many claiming the geographical centre of the country. :)
 
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This is our last day in the Black Forest and for a change - we went for a walk and like yesterday's walk we went off piste for a section. :) We were on the hunt for another geocache and I was using the geocache app for navigation. This uses OpenStreet maps and one of the overlays you can choose is called "Trails" which I've only recently started using but it shows more paths than the default view. Sadly it also shows paths which don't exist on the ground. We weren't lost, I could see exactly where we were and where we were was initially staggering up a field with about a 45° slope then we walked through some fortunately well spaced trees on a mythical path. :) The geocache itself proved illusive. When I checked it hadn't been found since last year so I think it has gone missing or more plausibly, buried under a pile of cut timber, because that was what we found when we reached the spot.

When we returned to the valley we came across two watermills.

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But they are not quite what they seem as the water isn't touching the wheel but it was still rotating slowly. I suspect an electric motor just may have been involved. :)

We have seen several small chapels in this region and just below the mills we came across another, with the door open.

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They are hofkappellen or yard or court chapels and were traditionally erected to celebrate a safe return of a soldier from war or a serious illness overcome.

The day wasn't a complete geocache write-off because I found another this afternoon and dropped off a travel bug.

There is a lot to see around here. The source of the Danube is tempting and not far awat but I still hanker driving the length of the river starting at the Black Sea so I don't want to spoil the ending by cheating now! :)

There's also the Deutsche Uhrenstrasse which is the "Clock Route", a 320 km circular drive through some attractive places with clocks as a common theme. They really do major on cuckoo clocks here, there are at least two clock makers in Simonswald and on the footpath where we came across the giant slice of cake they have also placed a clock. It has a button you can press to make it produce a cuckoo sound - to the surprise of Charlie. :)

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We should be in France tomorrow night but only just inside if things work out as planned. :)
Hi John just catching up with your thread it looks like you are having an interesting time. Regarding your idea of following the Danube, we did just that in Spring 2005 but in the opposite direction ie from Danaueschingen to the Danube Delta on the Black Sea. Your post got me rooting my notes out from the trip. It took us 9 weeks in total and we had a fantastic time. So go for it, plenty of different birds you dont see in Western Europe including Great Bustards on the Hungarian Plain. Although we have also seen these recently in Southern England.
Regarding Geocaching and hints in foreign languages, have you tried using c:geo on there you can link Google Translate and translate all the info you want as you go along.
Happy Caching and thanks for keeping these posts going.
 
Hi John just catching up with your thread it looks like you are having an interesting time. Regarding your idea of following the Danube, we did just that in Spring 2005 but in the opposite direction ie from Danaueschingen to the Danube Delta on the Black Sea. Your post got me rooting my notes out from the trip. It took us 9 weeks in total and we had a fantastic time. So go for it, plenty of different birds you dont see in Western Europe including Great Bustards on the Hungarian Plain. Although we have also seen these recently in Southern England.
Regarding Geocaching and hints in foreign languages, have you tried using c:geo on there you can link Google Translate and translate all the info you want as you go along.
Happy Caching and thanks for keeping these posts going.
Thank you. :) I will investigate c:geo. Were the bustards the introduced ones on Salisbury Plain?
 
Thank you. :) I will investigate c:geo. Were the bustards the introduced ones on Salisbury Plain?
Yes, we were walking along a track when a Landover passed us. When we caught up with it there were two guys dressing up as birds with buckets of pellets. Got chatting to them and they were Bustard feeders. We then watched as they walked around with the Bustards chasing after them. What some folk will do.!!

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This where we are now. :)

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And the blue blob being above the middle of "France" is no coincidence. We are staying at the Camping Car Parks site at the to me almost unpronounceable village of Bruère-Allichamps. This is one of several places in the immediate surroundings which claim to be the geographical centre of France, not including Corsica. However, in 1984 the French Geographical Institute decided the actual centre is some 15 kilometres further south and in the middle of nowhere. Not to be eclipsed, Bruère-Allichamps now describes itself as the historic centre of France. :)

This has not stopped them erecting a monument to their centricity.

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A board explained what it is.

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Well, it explains it in opaque French which defeats me. :) It is originally Roman and seems to have been subsequently modified into a coffin - but I could be completely wrong!

The aire here is beside the river Cher and is very pleasant.

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Strictly speaking it is beside only half the Cher as the far bank is an island and the rest of the river flows on the other side.

There are some bits of a 12th century fortress and roads of a similar age in the village if you look around but it was getting late when I found them and with the low sun the photographs were poor.

The low sun has been a problem in another way recently, our solar is struggling to keep up with demand! :) This is why we have come to a CCP site because it has EHU. We are fine if we drive for three or four hours a day but short hops are a problem which stems from using a compressor coolbox and diesel heater. I think a battery to battery charger is probably the answer and a 30 amp one will cost about the same as a third panel and the extra controller we would need. Watch this space. :)
 
We stayed in a hut similar to one of those, not in Germany, but in New Zealand.

We had our Christmas lunch there in 2008!

We plan to be having Christmas Lunch in New Zealand 2018!! :)
 
We have less than two weeks left so we need to start heading back soon so today we drove fairly determinedly westward to an ACSI site in Montbazon a little south of Tours.

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The site is on the bank of the River Indre which is looking peaceful at the moment but it isn't always as earlier this year it flooded the site and part of the loo block is still out of commission.

We are here for the laundry of course :) but found time for a short walk this afternoon. The wood we walked through was carpeted with cyclamen.

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I thought this was a Panther Cap and a potentially deadly fungus but although superficially similar it is Amanita aspera also known as Amanita franchetti. The amanita group contains the most dangerous fungi such as the Death Cap but aspera is considered safe according to my book although online I found mention it is suspected in the deaths of ten people in China. I decided to pass on it. :)

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It has a perfect location but sadly you can't get fresh water or empty the cassette using a UK debit bank card here so we will move on tomorrow.
Sounds like an expensive way of paying for things CC usually work out much cheaper.
It was a difficult decision whether to eat in or visit the three Michelin star Troisgros which isn't far away. Apparently it is one of the finest restaurants in France
Should have been easy, sell the van to pay for the meal and walk home.:ROFLMAO:
 
Sounds like an expensive way of paying for things CC usually work out much cheaper.

Should have been easy, sell the van to pay for the meal and walk home.:ROFLMAO:
I didn't try a credit card but reviews on CamperContact said it didn't take UK cards. I've come across this before but it doesn't seem to be common these days.
 
We have had a relatively lazy Sunday, exploring the local town and doing a bit of geocaching. Lot of paths and geocaches around here and the latter have been useful for taking us to places we wouldn't otherwise have found such as the mill built over the Indre river.

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There is an old castle in Montbazon but it is only open according to the sign at weekends in September. This being October we were thus met by a locked door! :)

But Charlie enjoyed his first meeting with a hedgehog* tonight.

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It might be hard to spot but it's left of his muzzle. :)

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We left it alone, as Charlie quickly learned was the best decision. :)

French: hérisson

We will continue westward tomorrow, hopefully stopping near Cholet, south and roughly between Nantes and Angers in the map shown in the first post on this page.
 
We seem to be stopping by a lot rivers on this trip, not by accident of course, and today's river is the Moine. It flows into the Sèvre Nantaise (which I'd never heard of :)) which in turn flows into the Loire at Nantes.

We are in the small town of La Séguinière, near Cholet a bit south of and mid-way between Angers and Nantes, staying at an aire, CC1490.

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I'm always looking for anything edible we can forage and at the last place I came across this group of fungi.

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They are big, 8" or so across, compare with the nettle in the foreground. I was 95% sure they were good eating but the 5% was a worry so I left them. :) The problem is I only have a British fungi book and as you might expect there are other species in mainland Europe. Annoying though, they would have made a feast - or a funeral! :)

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We wandered round the town this afternoon but there isn't a huge amount to see here other than a 15th century bridge you can walk across and a tower now part of a private house of a similar age.

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And the locals were friendly. :)

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We came across a hedgehog at night recently, which is when you would expect to find one, so we were surprised to see this more or less in the middle of the town.



It is a young one and given this is late October I don't think it has much chance of getting through the winter but it might be lucky. The weather is changing and rain will arrive soon which will be good news for hedgehogs as it will bring the worms nearer the surface.
 
We have arrived in Brittany though only just, the border is about a couple of kilometres south of us.

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But the present day southern border of Brittany is a relatively recent invention. It was formed I understand in 1941 when the southern province of Brittany, the Loire Atlantique, which included Nantes, was finally removed although it had been in and out of Brittany several times before in earlier centuries.

We are staying at a basic aire of the Camping Car Park group south of Penestine. It has no services but only costs €6 a night and I collected a bowl full of mushrooms from the grass so we are probably slightly up on the deal.

The coastal footpath is just across the road which we walked along this afternoon.

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And it was worth coming here for the sunset tonight.

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We will move further along the coast tomorrow and stay on an aire on the outskirts of Vanne.
 
Following on from the last post we did get to Vannes. :)

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From the Camping-car Parks aire here it is a 4km walk to the city centre which I did consider but decided instead on the easy option - so we took the bus from outside the site entrance. :)

The bus was easy to use, the fare is a set €1.50 however far you want to go on the route and the clever bus even spoke to us, announcing the name of the next stop as it moved along.

We visited the tourist office first and collected a map with a suggested route to explore.

The photograph below is the top end of the quay, in the distance, slightly to the left of the centre is the main gate into Vannes.

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But the wooden motor yacht in the picture was also interesting. :)

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This is the gate.

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The figure at the top is St Vincent. The coat of arms below are the city's which intriguingly has a dragon on them.

The next few photos are just to give a general impression of Vannes.

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This shop has interesting carvings.

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I'm guessing the thing between it's legs is a tail. :rolleyes:

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Down boy! (might be a lion :)) :)

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There were no end of places to eat and they all looked attractive. This is a prosperous town.

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There is an open air market here twice a week but not on Thursdays so we visited the covered market instead.

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We had thought of eating out today but it was too cold so we enjoyed a hot chocolate at the Délice Cafe instead. :)

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We will move further west tomorrow. :)

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Lovely part of the world we spent a week or so just sailing in amongst the little islands of the morbihan ,also ferries sail from Vannes on trips plenty to see and very strong tides ,as I found out :D whilst swimming
 
Evening John

If you could only plan one more winter trip in Europe, where would you be headed?
That is a very difficult and challenging question! I suppose the best weather is in the Murcia region of Spain. It's a region I've visited but I'm not sure it is somewhere I would want to spend an entire winter.
For sun, alternatives include Crete or Sicily would be more attractive but possibly only for one or two visits. Morroco also of course.
Our current stategy is to sit out the winters in the UK. :)
 
That is a very difficult and challenging question!

Would you expect anything else?

Our current stategy is to sit out the winters in the UK.

Not good for your bones

Be quite interested to hear if you come to a conclusion as it is a difficult question. Great photos, you really capture the look of places.

Thanks for the reply
 
We are spending the weekend at the Camping-car Park site at Loctudy, south of Quimper in western Brittany.

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The weather has included a few showers and fairly solid rain all this morning but at other times the sun has shone.

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We have had big Spring tides this weekend and I expected to see lots of people out with nets at low tide, practicing what the French call pêche à pied or "fishing on foot". We saw hundreds out on the coast in the Morbihan area a few years ago.

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But here at Loctudy we only saw a couple, so I guess this isn't a very good spot.

There are a few geocaches around the town and hunting them out was an enjoyable way of exploring our surroundings. The spire of the church is typical of Brittany, slender and tall.

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This seat was intriguing, it is bolted to the rocks just above the timeline.

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The only slightly off aspect of the beaches here are they have a permanent ban on dogs but at this time of the year no one seems to worry about it and certainly Charlie was untroubled by the ban. :)

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Tomorrow we will start looking for a vet and a laundry. :)

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He needs a bath - he rolled in some smelly seaweed today. :)
 

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