The Future of Diesel and Petrol Motorhomes

[EuroTrotters]

My last one was 1989 ,diesel & exempt from the UK emissios zones.

there is also red, heating oil ,any type of mineral oil ,whisky etc ; thar you can run a proper diesel on.

Yes there are a few . Hyandai kona(?) can tow 2T. tesla can tow as well. Just that many won't ba able to afford the

It is already taxed here. If you have a solar panel system you have to register it for annual tax which equates to the amount generated for use of the " electricity companies infrastructure".
Even if you have no access to electricity & have a battery system but are within a certain distance of electricity pylons, you are supposed to register.This is even if you have asked a company for electricity & they have told you no. The bearded one has a lot to answer for.

I thought that law had changed !?

I have been looking at the Spanish IKEA system

 

[tonyidle]

We did get caught on Wednesday in a quite severe thunder and lightening storm. I didn’t want an electric anything in my hands in that.

A rather strange superstition?

 

[tonyidle]

Nothing like politicians' aspirations. I see a lot of talk about electric vehicles. Less talk about accessible and working charging points and very little talk about how these charging points are going to be powered.
We are a windy island. We already have solar farms and wind turbines. We need more research in to utilising wave power from the sea. Off- shore wave powered turbines would use the energy of the waves and also protect some of our vulnerable coast. Oh, and power EV vehicles.
Another topic would be engines using liquid hydrogen in the fuel tanks.......

Future use of hydrogen does not include burning it in ICEs. All use would be using fuel cells to maintain the batteries in EVs. Otherwise we're back to the NOx problem.

 

[jockaneezer]

I didn’t want an electric anything in my hands in that.

Son's future mil was on the corded landline a couple of months ago in their house in the Scottish Borders, a lightning strike hit the telegraph pole in the field behind them and threw her across the kitchen. A visit to the docs, then an ambulance to hospital to "reset" her heart rhythm and two nights stay for observation. Told she hasn't to drive, but then saw another consultant who would have given the same advice if he hadn't had the same situation happen to a family member in South Africa. Sadly there was a nine year old kid killed by a lightning strike on the same day.

 

[gus-lopez]

I thought that law had changed !?

I have been looking at the Spanish IKEA system

Possibly? They may have done & I have not seen it?

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[cyberyacht]

Wave power is a bit unreliable and mechanically fragile. Tidal however runs like clockwork, varies in time around the country and operates 24/7/365. Better than wind or solar. Just needs a bit more R&D investment.

 

[scally]

Wave power is a bit unreliable and mechanically fragile. Tidal however runs like clockwork, varies in time around the country and operates 24/7/365. Better than wind or solar. Just needs a bit more R&D investment.

Trinity house were investigating and testing wave power and ,I think, tidal power back in the 70s and 80s. Got nowhere realistically as far as I'm aware.
This was for powering offshore lights and bouys

 

[Brains]

Have you got a source for that - as it would destroy the logistics sector overnight (and the remaining diesel vehicle manufacturing and sales industry over the next few years). No sensible government will do this this quickly - leave alone all of northern Europe (why just N Europe in your prediction?). I suspect there will be a more gradual phasing in of any changes - and behaviour influenced by taxation and congestion charging in line with the declining lifespan of the diesel vehicles and increasing capability of the replacement electric fleet.

The UK government, along with most other northern European counties, has already declared that by 2030 the sale of diesel powered vehicles will be stopped.
This was widely reported at the time, and is easily findable via Google.

To encourage to removal of the 'old' fossil fuelled vehicles from the road, the areas they can drive will progressively shrink.
This process has already started in a number of cities, more will follow.

 

[glenn2926]

The UK government, along with most other northern European counties, has already declared that by 2030 the sale of diesel powered vehicles will be stopped.
This was widely reported at the time, and is easily findable via Google.

To encourage to removal of the 'old' fossil fuelled vehicles from the road, the areas they can drive will progressively shrink.
This process has already started in a number of cities, more will follow.

That’s not even remotely true now is it? Why make stories like this up?
There will be a ban on the sale of NEW diesel powered vehicles there are and will continue to be millions of sales of used vehicles beyond that date.

 

[drpeej]

We should just count ourselves lucky to have been able to travel, tour the places and countries we have done. Future generations are not going to have that choice.
It’s going to be the same for motorbikes, again we’re very lucky to have been able to travel and tour on our motorbikes.
I’ll be 75 in 2035 so probably won’t be bothered about not travelling.

When you are 75 - thats when you can afford and find the time to travel!

I feel sorry for you if you think you will be 'past it' then

PS I'm nearly 75!

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[glenn2926]

When you are 75 - thats when you can afford and find the time to travel!

I feel sorry for you if you think you will be 'past it' then

PS I'm nearly 75!

I won’t be, but I definitely won’t be able to afford a battery motorhome or battery motorbike. As it stands they’re roughly at least double the price of real ones. That’s the reason I probably won’t be able to travel.
On top of that it will take much, much longer to get where I’ll want to be. Probably days longer.

 

[Neil S]

The UK government, along with most other northern European counties, has already declared that by 2030 the sale of diesel powered vehicles will be stopped.
This was widely reported at the time, and is easily findable via Google.

To encourage to removal of the 'old' fossil fuelled vehicles from the road, the areas they can drive will progressively shrink.
This process has already started in a number of cities, more will follow.

Untrue diesel lorry’s up to 18 ton will be phased out by 2035 and 26 ton and above by 2040

 

[glenn2926]

Untrue diesel lorry’s up to 18 ton will be phased out by 2035 and 26 ton and above by 2040

It would appear the poster does like to try to spread doom and gloom stories don’t they?

 

[tonyidle]

Imagine a future where you drive onto a train at Folkestone and drive off at a destination near the Spanish border. Wouldn't that make more sense than driving your electric vehicle yourself? What I don't understand is why anyone would think that an ICE vehicle will be, or should be, exactly replicated once EVs are the dominant means of shifting people and goods. The world will move on, methods of transportation will change and we, or the generations that follow, will adapt. It is like the man with a horse and carriage, upon being told of a petrol car, asking where the driver and guard will sit. And what'll we do with the horses?

 

[Northernraider]

By 2030 europe will have realised that unless china decides to get on board not a single thing europe does will make the slightest difference to climate change.

And then they will hopefully wake up from their rainbow and unicorns dreams of doing away with fossil fuels.

Either way if im still interested in living in and travelling by van ill continue to do it .

Worrying about or planning that far ahead is pointless.

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[TenBobDave]

Could this be the answer ?

 

[Northernraider]

Yeah I get that some quite fancy battery vehicles. I just cannot get any enthusiasm for a whirring electric motor. Having grown up around straight fours, straight sixes, V sixes, V eights, Triples, Twins of various configurations and of course screaming two strokes.
I cannot imagine being transported around by an electric motor being any kind of experience at all.

Neither can most petrol heads ...i can just see a track day thats usually all loud exhausts and screeching tyres being replaced by a strimmer going round the track ...boring!!!!!

 

[Ivory55]

Agree don’t think it’s worth worrying about that far ahead. Who knows what will happen by then, China might have a better covid virus by then and we might not be here. There’s a lot more I think will happen before worrying about diesel.

 

[Brains]

That’s not even remotely true now is it? Why make stories like this up?
There will be a ban on the sale of NEW diesel powered vehicles there are and will continue to be millions of sales of used vehicles beyond that date.

I'm unable to edit to add the word 'new' .
However the rest is correct, with some provisos for HGV's, construction and other specialised vehicles etc.

 

[Brains]

By 2030 europe will have realised that unless china decides to get on board not a single thing europe does will make the slightest difference to climate change.

And then they will hopefully wake up from their rainbow and unicorns dreams of doing away with fossil fuels.

Either way if im still interested in living in and travelling by van ill continue to do it .

Worrying about or planning that far ahead is pointless.

2030 is only 9 years off, so not far at all.
I agree China is a one of the major global major polluters currently, however it is investing billions in non-fossil fuel alternatives.
China will overtake most large developed nations in renewables with a decade or two.

The countries that will be massively behind will be the USA and to a lesser extent Brazil, Russia and India.

The wakeup call for the rainbows and unicorns will come when the major polluting countries are forced to conform, due to a series of predictable natural disasters caused by global warming.

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[PaddyM]

Volvo Car Group (Volvo Cars) is owned by Zhejiang Geely Holding (Geely Holding) of China

Its actually a Chinese Volvo.

Geely also own Lotus Cars , London Taxi Company and a share in Mercedes , they are world players .

 

[HKF]

Thank you to everyone who replied. There are some interesting replies. I think I'm with the bulk of you that I may too old to worry

 

[AndyRolfe]

Burning fossil fuels is undeniably causing climate change. The evidence for this is getting more frequent and more extreme every day. So there will be more and more pressure on the polluters to stop.
I want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. So the most viable technologies for my next motorhome will be electricity or hydrogen (fuel cell?). A motorhome differs to a commercial van in doing generally low miles (6K per year), but long distances, infrequently.
Might hydrogen therefore be more appropriate than batteries?

 

[busby]

Burning fossil fuels is undeniably causing climate change. The evidence for this is getting more frequent and more extreme every day. So there will be more and more pressure on the polluters to stop.
I want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. So the most viable technologies for my next motorhome will be electricity or hydrogen (fuel cell?). A motorhome differs to a commercial van in doing generally low miles (6K per year), but long distances, infrequently.
Might hydrogen therefore be more appropriate than batteries?

Wonder what happened 10000 years ago to cause the CLIMATE CHANGE that got us out of the last ICE AGE? Definitely wasn't the industrial revolution or carbon footprints.Just asking.BUSBY.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Burning fossil fuels UNDENIABLY causes climate change- WOW
That opening phrase of AndyRolfe is a HUGE assumption in any argument

For example is “climate change” even a thing if only viewed from a homo sapiens viewpoint , as a species that has been here for a relative second in the multi billion year history of the planet/uniform
Or is this just a cycle in time that the planet uses every time a parasite gives it an itch

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[dunnah01]

I want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. So the most viable technologies for my next motorhome will be electricity or hydrogen (fuel cell?). A motorhome differs to a commercial van in doing generally low miles (6K per year), but long distances, infrequently.
Might hydrogen therefore be more appropriate than batter

The best way to be part of the solution would presumably run your current moho for many more years rather than replace it. Eventually there will be a viable non-fossil ICE conversion available

 

[AndyRolfe]

Burning fossil fuels UNDENIABLY causes climate change- WOW
That opening phrase of AndyRolfe is a HUGE assumption in any argument

For example is “climate change” even a thing if only viewed from a homo sapiens viewpoint , as a species that has been here for a relative second in the multi billion year history of the planet/uniform
Or is this just a cycle in time that the planet uses every time a parasite gives it an itch

 

[AndyRolfe]

I'll leave this link here and focus on the the title thread rather than enter a long debate about why we'll need to switch away from petrol and diesel.

Climate change widespread, rapid, and intensifying – IPCC — IPCC

www.ipcc.ch

 

[AndyRolfe]

The best way to be part of the solution would presumably run your current moho for many more years rather than replace it. Eventually there will be a viable non-fossil ICE conversion available

That's pretty much my approach. My 2004 Rapido is hanging in there. What might that ICE conversion look like?

 

[dunnah01]

That's pretty much my approach. My 2004 Rapido is hanging in there. What might that ICE conversion look like?

Our 2011 Rapido is as good as new, so many years left in it yet. I'm presuming a less damaging full bio diesel will be developed and available through regular pumps eventually. E10 petrol and B10 bio diesel are now at the pumps which looks like the start of things

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