Swarm prevention and touring

Lizbiebrowne

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What precautions do other motorhoming apiarists take when out and about on trips during the swarming season? In my first serious season as a funster last year I limited my trips away to a maximum of a week between May and July, but I’d like to be away for longer this year so I’m contemplating clipping all my queens’ wings this spring. Or has anyone developed other strategies?
 
My other half TinaL is the Site Rep at our allotments, we have many beekeepers across the many allotment sites here in Surrey Heath.
It has become a requisite to show proof by way of a certificate that anyone wishing to keep bees has the correct knowledge of how to keep bees before allowing them to bring hives to the allotments. They also have to erect small fences around their hives and place safety notices giving out contact details of where the can be contacted.
We have learnt several lessons about allowing beekeepers to take up valuable plots on the allotments, as they are primary there for people to grow crops,& cultivate regularly, however we have had instances where some were only interested in keeping their hives and not maintaining their plots, allowing them to become overgrown & weed infested .i.e A bloody eyesore & nuisance to the neighbouring plots.

Having had one (expert) Beekeeper vacate his plot due to moving overseas, we had the mammoth task of clearing the plot to make it ready to be handed over to a new tenant. We discovered that his plot was not only covered in weeds but also Rhubarb & Globe Artichoke plants, as apparently the bees love these plants, it took us volunteers ages to clear, only bonus was there were plenty of Rhubarb plants to be shared out afterwards.
All we can do is ask beekeepers to be mindful of their bees swarming, and try and manage it better, we appreciate is a natural occurrence, but we are sick & tired now of all the complaints we receive from other plot holders each time it happens, its almost like TinaL is being accused of not managing the beekeepers strongly enough, in other words not doing her job properly.

There are children at times on the plots, they should be fully supervised at all times, but we all know what kids are like, we are just hoping that they stay away from the hives, and not throw sticks at them!:eek:

I think that after many years of managing the site, TinaL is on top of things, but you cannot please everyone all the time, and when someone gets stung, you never hear the end of it, and the list of their allergies etc.

I know beekeeping is a rewarding hobby, and Bees are great pollinators etc lucrative also at £7.50 a jar, but its a pain in the posterior to everyone else that not interested, especially after a swarm episode.
What are we supposed to do, carry an Epi Pen round our necks, we have already been asked when we are going to have defibrillators on every allotment site, everyone know we have a first aid kit in our shed, its not unusual for us to have run out of plasters & anti histamine cream for nettle stings & insect bites.
Boots The Chemist springs to mind!

Sorry just had to give the full picture from all sides.

LES on behalf of TinaL Allotment Site Rep.
Our local allotment site allowed me to put some bees on there for them, they were placed in the rough ground away from exploring children. None were allowed within an actual allotment. I did not pay for it as it was them that wanted the bees there for obvious reasons and asked me to put a hive over there. (I put 2 there)
The reason for the fences is to encourage the bees to go up and fly at cruising height as quickly as possible.
I had 6 of my hives on my flat conservative roof approximately 6-8 feet away from our BBQ area. That would be 300,000 odd bees in the height of summer with my grumpchildren underneath them. No issues apart from the odd one on the floor about to die and occasional release of extra weight en route back to the hive.
 
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My dad used to send hives to Yorkshire in the 80's and 90's through his local club his always used to come back lighter!!
Yes, I've had to bring them back early when the heather's been poor. There's been a problem recently with the heather beetle which eats the young shoots before they flower. However, last summer wasn't too bad.

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If you tightly tie a large black bin bag over the hive before you go on holiday, they'll all still be there when you get back (y)
 
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Back to the original issue, isnt there a Queen preventer escaper which you can put over the entrance ?

Alternatively put a Queen catcher over the entrance allowing the workers and drones out but not the Q

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Back to the original issue, isnt there a Queen preventer escaper which you can put over the entrance ?

Alternatively put a Queen catcher over the entrance allowing the workers and drones out but not the Q
I wondered if there was something like that as the queens are larger than the workers aren't they?
 
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Why or what would make the Queen want to leave.????
 
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Why or what would make the Queen want to leave.????
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It is how bees reproduce. Queenie goes out for a quickie with a few drones (and numerous voyeurs) and a couple of days later goes off to swarm with about half the contents of the hive (maybe 20,000 bees) leaving one queen in the hive to continue and the new Q and her entourage look for somewhere to house them. They normally land on a tree and this is where the beekeeper goes to collect them when they are in a clump.
Whereever the Q goes the other bees follow so you try to catch the Q put her in a box and the others clump around her. Pick up box and take it to where you want them to be (at least 3 miles away from where you picked them up from) Then you have a new colony
 
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Interesting.. thanx. I always assumed one hive one queen and there she would stay.
 
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If you tightly tie a large black bin bag over the hive before you go on holiday, they'll all still be there when you get back (y)
That's one I've never heard of before. Are you speaking from experience? I'd be concerned they'd still be there but all dead either from starvation or overheating by the time I returned.

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An interesting thread.
I love bee's and without bee keepers they would be in even more trouble than they are already.
There were hives on Craigengillan estate, they had to be moved because people complained, I came across them in their new spot and just sat quietly watching the coming and going of the bee's, now and then one landed on me and I loved it.
I only buy honey from a local bee keeper.
 
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That's one I've never heard of before. Are you speaking from experience? I'd be concerned they'd still be there but all dead either from starvation or overheating by the time I returned.
Take no notice of Eddie, he's obviously not a 🐝 lover ... although I believe he is called a 'b' at times! :LOL:
 
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Take no notice of Eddie, he's obviously not a 🐝 lover ... although I believe he is called a 'b' at times! :LOL:
I just think that Wasps get a bum rap sometimes

Everyone knows that we enjoy Honey from Bee's but everyone gets all excited and agitated when Wasps are around and try to kill the Wasp's without knowing that we get Jam from Wasps so they are really important to us as well
 
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I just think that Wasps get a bum rap sometimes

Everyone knows that we enjoy Honey from Bee's but everyone gets all excited and agitated when Wasps are around and try to kill the Wasp's without knowing that we get Jam from Wasps so they are really important to us as well
Most flying insects are 'good' as they pollinate the plants etc, even wasps are useful and I'd never kill one unless it got to the point where there wasn't any other option.

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I wish the beekeepers at our allotments would clip the queens wings at or before the swarming period, its a bloody nuisance when they do swarm, everyone gives up working on their plots and has to go home.:mad:
One year we called up one of the beekeepers (supposed to be an expert) when his bees were swarming everywhere, when he eventually appeared and saw the massive swarm, he just stood back and said......Ah! isn't nature a wonderful thing!:swear:
I thought it was because another queen bee had been born, and only one is allowed to live in the hive, its a fight to the death to see which one stays. They sometimes swarm and the queen attaches itself to something like a tree branch, and thousands of other worker bees follow it and surround it in a great big living clump.
I need to read up more on this, as I want to try and get the beekeepers to do something to stop the swarming, especially for those who claim to be allergic to bee stings.
LES
Clipping the queen's wings, or more usually just one wing, doesn't stop the bees swarming. What happens is the swarming bees take flight but the non-aerodynamic queen falls to the ground below the hive entrance. The flying bees will settle somewhere but after a while they realise HM isn't present so they return to the hive. The advantage for the beekeeper is they should still get a good crop of honey which doesn't happen if the bees properly swarm and 50% of the bee population scrapers.

With good beekeeping, assuming the beekeeper is practicising conventional beekeeping swarms should be very rare. But this takes skill and hard work with regular inspections of the colonies to check if they have enough space and for the building of queen cells. Careful breeding to weed out the swarming trait can be done but it isn't easy especially if there are other beekeepers in the area as it makes controlling what drones the queen's mate with very difficult. In some places breeding is done on islands far from other bees.

The above applies to what I've called "conventional" beekeeping. There is another type of beekeeping where to a large extent the bees are left to their own devices and left to swarm naturally.

What's going on at TinaL 's allotment I don't know. A picture of the hives would be helpful. It's either just poor conventional beekeeping if swarming is common or they are practising "natural" beekeeping. Either way I would say neither should not be done on an allotment and I suspect there should be something in the rules about being a nuisance. Bees can be kept on allotments if the beekeeper is skilled. The hives should also be behind screens or hedges so they have to gain altitude to leave or when landing. Otherwise they fly in at a height where they can collide with people and a bee trapped in hair or clothing can sting.
 
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I just think that Wasps get a bum rap sometimes

Everyone knows that we enjoy Honey from Bee's but everyone gets all excited and agitated when Wasps are around and try to kill the Wasp's without knowing that we get Jam from Wasps so they are really important to us as well
I had some jam made from wasps with my anticlockwise haggis caught on the hill
 
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I had some jam made from wasps with my anticlockwise haggis caught on the hill
Shhhhh ... don't shatter his illusion ... he thinks Father Christmas is real too! :giggle:
 
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We have one hive in the garden - OH's responsibility.
Despite having fence panels, shed wall, trees etc to make them fly up they can still be a nuisance. For some reason if I am within 5 or 6 meters of the hive entrance they have a nasty tendency for a couple of bees to buzz me. Clearly warning me off. It gives me a real problem in gardening in about a third of the garden over the summer!
I am quite scared of them. Partly because when they buzz me I often cant see them - just hear them. Also I am allergic to wasp stings - I always have anti histamine tablets and my epipen with me during wasp season. Last time I was stung I ended up in A & E having an anaphylactic episode. Not nice. So although I know wasps do good - they are carnivores and eat caterpillars - they are definitely not my favourite insect. If they are around I end up going inside. And if they come into the house - sorry - they are likely to get killed.
 
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