Strapping doors with belts

[Road Runner]

How many times have you heard of anyone being robbed in their van

Me, we've been robbed while in the van. Most know how I think it happened but will leave it at that.

 

[ruffingitsmoothly]

Re "Gas Attacks"

This has been a seriously long subject of debate on other Forums! Here is a copy of a letter apparently from The Royal College of Anaesthetists to a member of another such forum.

Thank you for your enquiry. I would like to inform you that you are not the first enquirer with this question. Professor Hatch, our Clinical Advisor, has given the following previous comments:

"I can give you a categorical assurance that it would not be possible to render someone unconscious with ether without their knowledge, even if they were sleeping at the time. Ether is an extremely pungent agent and a relatively weak anaesthetic by modern standards and has a very irritant affect of the air passages, causing coughing and sometimes vomiting. It takes some time to reach unconsciousness, even if given by direct application to the face on a rag, and the concentration needed by some sort of spray into a room would be enormous. The smell hangs around for days and would be obvious to anyone the next day.

There are much more powerful agents around now, some of which are almost odourless. However, these would be unlikely to be able to achieve the effect you describe, and the cost would be huge enough to deter any thief unless he was after the crown jewels. The only practicable agent is probably the one used by the Russians in the Moscow siege - I advised the BBC on their programme about this. The general feeling is that they used an agent which is not available outside the KGB!

Finally, unsupervised anaesthesia, which is what we are really talking about is very dangerous. In the Moscow siege about 20% of victims died from asphyxia, because their airways were unprotected. If the reports you talk about are true I would have expected a significant number of deaths or cases of serious brain damage to have been reported."

I hope this information is helpful to you.

The Royal College of Anaesthetists

Regards Pat

 

[Jim]

Please bring this back on topic folks

Gas attacks can be discussed

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This is a thread for strapping doors

 

[Road Runner]

If people have decided to rob you they will wherever you are.

Your more likely to get robbed in your own high street.

Just be cautious is my best advice but live your lives and don't let lowlifes spoil it.

 

[Gonewiththewind]

Quite aggree with you Roadrunner. Having read through I have to say I would no sooner go to bed without LOCKING and BARRING all house doors, Keys removed from lock and placed at a safe distance from door, so will do it in van.
The point about "putting through quarter lights and reaching in" the noise will (hopefully) wake you enough to take defencive action.

I suppose each to his own. If you are comfortable with sleeping with unlocked doors and windows, Fine, I wouldnt knock you for that.

Me, I'm not. Please dont knock me for it.


Safe Camping, Whatever makes you Happy.

Don

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[paulharrison]

Hi Don
you dont make any noise putin in a quarter light all you have to do is pull the rubber seal out the best thing to do is stay on camp sites, if you have to wild camp try and move away from the motorways most people who come to us have been robbed in motorway Aires and gassin does happen seems mainly in spain.
Paul

 

[Gonewiththewind]

Thanks for that Paul, As far as gassing goes, I never doubt that anything is possible, especially now that we have newer members of the EU. As for letters from the "Experts". Well trust me I'm a, Dont go far with me, heard it too many times.

This year will be a first for me and aiming for Spain. But have planned to stay away from Motorways and toll roads, so Aires will be village style. also looking at the vineyard Aires. But thanks for the advise. I listen and heed. But then, usually go my own way.

I am thankfull for any and all advice.

Don

 

[paulharrison]

Hi Don
thats the best thing to do just follow your feelings and keep your ears open and enjoy the vineyards there great we have done that for many years now and still keep finding new places, the time I like best is sept when the wine is being made and if your lucky join in with another pair of feet, I try to go to Haro in spain in oct well worth a trip
Paul

 

[sirhandel]

If there is nothing strong enough to thread a cable through than you cannot use this method, however the duoSafe should fit and it will do the same job. It slots down close to the window glass and prevents doors opening and at the same time provides a good visual deterrent. It is very light aluminium and when not in use it packs down small and is easily stored.

<John Cross> probably sell them and they give Funsters a good discount:thumb:

Does the duosafe lock in place - if not what's to stop a thief from removing a quarterlight and reaching in to remove the duosafe?

Thanks

 

[Jim]

Does the duosafe lock in place - if not what's to stop a thief from removing a quarterlight and reaching in to remove the duosafe?

Thanks

Nothing. The Duo safe does not lock, you just push a button and with a bit of a wiggle you can then remove it. But it would be quite difficult reach that button and then release it via the quaterlight.

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[Kon tiki]

On my van it doesn't have anywhere to fasten anything to the door, also the duo safe only lists the Renault Master before 06/2006 :Sad: there are a couple of holes in the plastic moulding low down on the door but I don't think they would stop anybody.

 

[paulharrison]

On my van it doesn't have anywhere to fasten anything to the door, also the duo safe only lists the Renault Master before 06/2006 :Sad: there are a couple of holes in the plastic moulding low down on the door but I don't think they would stop anybody.

Hi Kon-tiki you could fit heosafe cab door locks or a couple of bolts Paul:thumb:

 

[Jim]

I agree with Paul, Heosafe is the way to go, (Paul sells these locks) they are excellent locks, they lock with a key so even if the toerag breaks the window they are still not opening the door, the chances are that the burglar won't see the Heosafe so while they are a great lock they are no deterrent. Some people have cobbled together window or patio door locks that do the same thing, but not as tidily.

The chain or duosafe are used as deterrents, (its best not to sleep with them in place)they are best used when the motorhome is left unoccupied , the idea being that the thief thinks its not worthwhile breaking or removing the quarter-light as he still won't be able to open the door.

 

[Big Brian 56]

Well, with the c**p we have on the front seats when parked up. doubt if a scally could get past any hows !

 

[bazfergy]

he tends to deter unwanted types:thumb:

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[Jim]

he tends to deter unwanted types:thumb:

That will do I see You have other uses for your seatbelt anyway

 

[hy7711]

Locks

I'm looking at fitting some deadlocks. Was checking your website Paul but can't load the page, is it me or is your website down?

Jon

 

[paulharrison]

Hi Jon thanks for that l will got it sorted, l have been working on a new site if you look at Link Removed theres lots of photos and if you call the shop someone can answer any questions Paul

 

[hy7711]

Hi Paul

No problem noticed it a few days ago and thought maybe you were working on it.

Jon

 

[hy7711]

Strapping doors

While on the subject of security I was looking for some alarm signs to fit on my lockers to warn of the alarm I have fitted and came across this image006.jpg (image) wonder what made the holes

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[pappajohn]

While on the subject of security I was looking for some alarm signs to fit on my lockers to warn of the alarm I have fitted and came across this image006.jpg (image) wonder what made the holes

seen it all now Mr Bean.

they go to all that trouble to make nice neat holes the use an old bog chain and a two quid padlockoh:

 

[pappajohn]

i very rarely lock my cab doors

ducato doors are notoriously weak and the locks can be opened in seconds so these were fitted to both front doors by the previous owner after a break-in through the front door. in the vans paperwork i found an inventory of stolen goods including an open tube of toothpaste and used brush

controlled by keyfob 'zapper' and self re-locking unless the ign is turned on within 30 seconds (and off again if necessary)

pics one and two are the bolt in the door frame and the third is the reciever hole in the door.
the bolt is free to rotate so it cant be sawn through.

 

[St.Cyr]

Re "Gas Attacks"

This has been a seriously long subject of debate on other Forums! Here is a copy of a letter apparently from The Royal College of Anaesthetists to a member of another such forum.

Thank you for your enquiry. I would like to inform you that you are not the first enquirer with this question. Professor Hatch, our Clinical Advisor, has given the following previous comments:

"I can give you a categorical assurance that it would not be possible to render someone unconscious with ether without their knowledge, even if they were sleeping at the time. Ether is an extremely pungent agent and a relatively weak anaesthetic by modern standards and has a very irritant affect of the air passages, causing coughing and sometimes vomiting. It takes some time to reach unconsciousness, even if given by direct application to the face on a rag, and the concentration needed by some sort of spray into a room would be enormous. The smell hangs around for days and would be obvious to anyone the next day.

There are much more powerful agents around now, some of which are almost odourless. However, these would be unlikely to be able to achieve the effect you describe, and the cost would be huge enough to deter any thief unless he was after the crown jewels. The only practicable agent is probably the one used by the Russians in the Moscow siege - I advised the BBC on their programme about this. The general feeling is that they used an agent which is not available outside the KGB!

Finally, unsupervised anaesthesia, which is what we are really talking about is very dangerous. In the Moscow siege about 20% of victims died from asphyxia, because their airways were unprotected. If the reports you talk about are true I would have expected a significant number of deaths or cases of serious brain damage to have been reported."

I hope this information is helpful to you.

The Royal College of Anaesthetists

Regards Pat

Doh! Wish I'd read this before 1)I was gassed while asleep in my cab on the A34 nr Newbury, & relieved of phones,wallet,laptop etc. - 2)Mate of mine was gassed in his cab outside Northampton and his trailer was emptied of several hundred industrial micro-waves. - 3)Colleague was gassed while reading in bunk in his cab, on the road between Barcelona & the border, robbed & relieved of his load of shellfish. 4)&c &c &c, 9 occasions that I know of personally in a 3 year period - many more heard of from acquaintances. On 2 occasions the tank of hospital anaesthetic gas was found under or beside the truck. On one occasion the perpetrator (in Spain) was actually caught by police before he'd reached the end of the layby, & given a good hiding before being arrested. The first indication you've been 'done' is when you wake up with a bad headache which feels as if your brain is loose inside your skull. It's odourless & you don't even feel drousy before passing out (if awake when attacked). It's pumped through any available crack, pipe, hole available & often, somehow, through the night-heater inlet.... So much for the R.C. of Anaes!! Just brought to mind another trickpening locked vehicle doors with half a tennis ball (seriously) - hold it over the lock with finger & thumb & thump firmly with the other hand. Doesn't work on all types of lock obviously......

 

[olley]

Hi If you were asleep, how do you know you were gassed?

Olley

 

[Jim]

Mate of mine was gassed in his cab outside Northampton and his trailer was emptied of several hundred industrial micro-waves. - 3)Colleague was gassed while reading in bunk in his cab, on the road between Barcelona & the border, robbed & relieved of his load of shellfish. 4)&c &c &c, 9 occasions that I know of personally in a 3 year period - many more heard of from acquaintances.

You've got some unlucky mates Sounds like they tell a good story too

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[superk]

On 2 occasions the tank of hospital anaesthetic gas was found under or beside the truck.

How did you know it was from a hospital or anaesthetic gas?

What did it say on the cylinder, what colour was it and how big?

Was it the same on both occasions?


Keith

 

[Braunston]

Hi, St.Cyr

You appear to be questioning the The Royal College of Anaesthetists can you give us some indication of your qualifications when doing this,


Quote:- So much for the R.C. of Anaes! end Quote

 

[olley]

From the Royal College

I would have expected a significant number of deaths

Show me the bodies, their are none, therefore it doesn't happen.

Simples

Olley

 

[Kon tiki]

I would like to be able to strap my doors together when we leave the van. However my Renault Master doesn't have anywhere suitable to thread the cable. The door covers are plastic so I can't see anywhere to secure a fastening. Does anyone know if there is somewhere on the door that is suitable for screwing into?


Thanks.

I have a strap with a largish hook on each end, it can be tightened & has a quick release type buckle. I hook this over the door pockets (there isn't anything else on the Master) the strap is very low down & fits behind the seat bases. It can't be reached from the quarter lite to be cut & is so low down the side window would have to be completley broken. I have no illusion that the plastic door pockets would hold if really pulled but the idea is to get a bit of extra time & warning of an attempted break in. I intend to make my own device to 'deadlock' the caravan door but realistically if somebody wanted to get into the van the caravan windows or the skylights are the easiest way to get in.

 

[Jim]

Windows are skylights are always thought of as the real weak points and they are. However doors are THE main entry point because 99% of motorhome door locks can be defeated in a few seconds and with very little noise, Breaking in through acrylic windows would be very noisy as they will break before catches give way.

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