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AlunandFelicie

AlunandFelicie

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Our van failed to start yesterday after a long lay up on EHU ,the panel shows 12.3v and we have a battery master fitted ,it tried to start all the lights on dash as normal but didn’t kick over , as far as I know the battery is the original (18 plate) so time to renew?
 
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Thankyou for the reminder, I must get my transit van battery on charge with the maintenance charger to recover some lost capacity. What it does is pulses a higher voltage than usual to help desulphate the plates. If done once or twice a year on a low mileage vehicle will give it an extra couple of years service life
 
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I initially though I required an 019 in our 2018 ducato however when it turned up it was to small and less cranking power so had to get 020 which fitted snugly😊
 
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Speve said:
I initially though I required an 019 in our 2018 ducato however when it turned up it was to small and less cranking power so had to get 020 which fitted snugly😊
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Yuasa was an 019 higher capacity and higher CCA than the OEM one, think it's 100ah, 990 CCA.
 
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YBX9020 12V 105Ah 950A AGM Start Stop Battery over £200 luckily had it changed under warranty
 
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These battery names and sizes are very confusing 🤔

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AlunandFelicie said:
Tell me about it 😄
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Yes I had to get one out in the middle of the New Forest so got a mobile fitter to get one I told him what I thought was recommended 019 and it was not correct so he had a double visit🙄
 
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Regarding coding, the van should recognise that the battery has been replaced, and then over time will 'learn' the new battery and it's capacity.

(so I'm told, anyway).
 
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Battery waving time..

2.8JTD .. also had a Yuasa fitted at the local garage.

£130

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Is it best to disable the start/stop function to preserve battery and starter motor life?
 
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bennyh said:
Is it best to disable the start/stop function to preserve battery and starter motor life?
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That is a very good point and you are right. Start/stop technology is supposed to reduce pollution. However starting the engine may burn more fuel than letting it tick over for a minute or 2. Then add on the added wear on components in the starter circuit and the involved cost and energy to produce and fit them. I personally think start stop technology on ICE vehicles is not sensible in normal town/city traffic. Especially when you see the cost of the suitable battery is 2 or 3 times the cost of an equivalent standard lead/acid starter battery
 
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Had same problem two weeks in the camperstop at Liverpool yacht club ,two weeks. Battery had never missed a beat until then ,8 years to day ,that I bought my Autotrail Tracker. Nearly 60,000 on the clock so not too bad. AA came out , via Nationwide breakdown cover. Said battery was finished. Recommended by harbour master battery shop just north in Formby ,so after jump start ,had new one fitted within the hour for £129. 👍
Happy bunny . Hope I get another 8 years out of this one🤞

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TheBig1 said:
That is a very good point and you are right. Start/stop technology is supposed to reduce pollution. However starting the engine may burn more fuel than letting it tick over for a minute or 2. Then add on the added wear on components in the starter circuit and the involved cost and energy to produce and fit them. I personally think start stop technology on ICE vehicles is not sensible in normal town/city traffic. Especially when you see the cost of the suitable battery is 2 or 3 times the cost of an equivalent standard lead/acid starter battery
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Thanks. Interesting to see if an existing start stop battery can be replaced with a normal battery when the time comes.
 
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bennyh said:
Thanks. Interesting to see if an existing start stop battery can be replaced with a normal battery when the time comes.
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If you have stop/start, then you probably have a smart alternator. These require an AGM battery to absorb the higher peaks of energy during periods when the engine is off load and providing eco charging.
 
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AlunandFelicie said:
Our van failed to start yesterday after a long lay up on EHU ,the panel shows 12.3v and we have a battery master fitted ,it tried to start all the lights on dash as normal but didn’t kick over , as far as I know the battery is the original (18 plate) so time to renew?
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Well, I tried ti write a response about my own experience with a battery. but having written the whole tome, I hit a button and the whole disappeared! After 6 years, I would go to an Auto electrician workshop, get it checked and get a new higher powered one fitted, and get the leisure battery checked as well,
 
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I replaced our Hymer/Ducato engine battery last month, after a hell of a battle to get the darn thing out of it's hole in the floor. Dear Hymer had probably fitted the centre console with the tiniest allowance for "wiggle".
I bought a Yuassa Silver 100Ah locally (£128) and fitted it myself, which was a bit of a struggle, but at least I know that all the wires are properly tucked out of harms way!
Cb.

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treblid said:
If you have stop/start, then you probably have a smart alternator. These require an AGM battery to absorb the higher peaks of energy during periods when the engine is off load and providing eco charging.
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The installer starter battery looks absolutely huge. What would happen if I swapped it for a good AGM starter battery that's not rated for start/stop, but disabled that function on the dash? Would the ECU have a problem with that, do you think? This approach would cost less, and save some weight too.
 
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bennyh said:
The installer starter battery looks absolutely huge. What would happen if I swapped it for a good AGM starter battery that's not rated for start/stop, but disabled that function on the dash? Would the ECU have a problem with that, do you think? This approach would cost less, and save some weight too.
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Problem is that even when off on the dash, the stop/start function is programmed into the ECU to monitor and provide charging for the expected battery. It will work for a while but the wrong battery will have a shorter life. With my transit custom and a number of other vehicles you have to go into the software via OBD port and tell it that a new battery has been fitted. It then knows to bulk charge the battery at a different rate. Otherwise it thinks you have an old battery in with ever decreasing capacity due to the internal resistance being different
 
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What physical size is the correct Ducato battery? Mine appears to be 353mm L x 190mm H x 175 mm W.
 
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If I can add my question to this thread it may help the OP decide on what they want to do. Like the OP I am having battery issues with my 2018/19 Peugeot Boxer, so have decided to replace the Original 95 Amp Hr 680CCA with the Yuasa 100Amp Hr 900CCA. Was thinking about a bit of DIY, so before it becomes "Dram in Blunderland" the question is what's the correct methodology to remove and reinstall and what little traps do I need to be aware off e.g., radio codes? Picture of existing battery installation
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AlunandFelicie said:
Me no gotty 👍
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AA mobile replaced my stop/start - so had to have an AGM (or AMG?) £264 supplied and fitted including recoding.
Diagnosed old battery first - voltage good but ampage not. Interesting that on 10 month old van - 2500 miles - that existing battery was 835 days old....

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Keep Right On said:
AA mobile replaced my stop/start - so had to have an AGM (or AMG?) £264 supplied and fitted including recoding.
Diagnosed old battery first - voltage good but ampage not. Interesting that on 10 month old van - 2500 miles - that existing battery was 835 days old....
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On a 10 month old van, I hope that was done for you under warranty? 🤔
 
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