Scooter store inside a 6M PVC?

[Bertilak]

Musing about compact layouts it occurred to me that it may be just about possible to get a small scooter or moped (possibly electric) inside the back doors of say a Ducato panel van, across the back.
Possibly with a french bed, that fits over the seat area, and the extra height of the handlebar area would go into a cupboard zone behind the side bathroom.
It would need the front wheel to be "posted" into the corner before swinging the back in, and a clever rotating and tilting ramp/ cradle. Complex , but only steel work. and with none of the road forces an external bracket takes.

So the question is : has anyone seen anything similar before?

 

[oldiesontour]

I think the problem with them is the nose weight on the towbar not to mention some of them look unstable. By the time you consider the weight of the rack and the bike you will likely be over I think. Honda Vision 110 is probably the lightest but still practical you will get with enough power for two up and decent speeds on A and B roads but even that is 100kg.

My towbar is 150kg nose weight,racks say UPTO 600kg ,concerned a scooter is far from balanced and haven't been able to find weight on each wheel as yet and as some carrier frames are center mounted this could be very signifit

 

[Bertilak]

Ah, I understand now, I was assuming you could get one of the correct length not to 'tuck' it in. So are you saying that your idea of tucking in the front and swinging in the rear is a no go too?

I'm afraid its a non starter with the bike I've shown, its about 75mm too long. But it's quite close.
You might win a bit by squashing the forks down, or grinding the fork-stops back (to get more turn angle). -things that are hard to assess without the bike...
However it looks possible with a shorter bike, either shorter wheelbase or smaller wheels. Niu's MQi Sport moped would definitely do it.
For me, at the moment its only a thought experiment; as getting a bike "indoors" without out it dominating the layout is rather appealing.

 

[Bertilak]

My towbar is 150kg nose weight,racks say UPTO 600kg ,concerned a scooter is far from balanced and haven't been able to find weight on each wheel as yet and as some carrier frames are center mounted this could be very signifit

If a rack was rated at 600kg (which I doubt, poss 600lb) it's probably an American market job, with their 2in sq "receiver" system. Generally they are not legal in UK or Europe, unless there isn't a UK/ Eu homologated one available. So the rack would still require a tow bar with that rating. The yanks do have some ridiculously oversized trucks, and trailers; the Aussies use this too, equally OTT. This is probably from that market. I suppose you could import a US towbar as a bike rack, and be perfectly legal as long as you don't put a towball on it. I doubt anyone would care if you did tow on it.
There are a couple of German bike carriers that have high capacities, but they link back to the chassis, and are not hanging off a towball flange. [Cate, Linnepe]. And will be thick end on a grand.

 

[oldiesontour]

If a rack was rated at 600kg (which I doubt, poss 600lb) it's probably an American market job, with their 2in sq "receiver" system. Generally they are not legal in UK or Europe, unless there isn't a UK/ Eu homologated one available. So the rack would still require a tow bar with that rating. The yanks do have some ridiculously oversized trucks, and trailers; the Aussies use this too, equally OTT. This is probably from that market. I suppose you could import a US towbar as a bike rack, and be perfectly legal as long as you don't put a towball on it. I doubt anyone would care if you did tow on it.
There are a couple of German bike carriers that have high capacities, but they link back to the chassis, and are not hanging off a towball flange. [Cate, Linnepe]. And will be thick end on a grand.

Yes you're right 600lb and 2" receiver...so trying to find out/ decide if one of this type fitted with a 2" to 4 bolt adapter would be safe/ legal to carry a 100kg scooter,I think the uneven balance creating turning motion may cause the box section to twist

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[Kayak Kid]

You could carry a Coopop electric moped on the back of a PVC door on a standard Fiamma cycle rack. The moped is around 35kg with the battery removed. The battery is a further 10kg. The Fiamma cycle racks are usually a 60 kg limit. A Coopop costs around £2k new and has a range of around 45 km and max speed of 45 KPH. They are road legal and can be viewed on Coopop.co.uk or on eBay through the same company. They deliver UK wide! This would keep your interior free! The photos attached are of my Motorhome which I sent the company - which has since used them on its advertising.

Have toured around Europe for last 2 years using it on location. A great little unit. They have just brought out a newer version which has front suspension, which I would have purchased at the time if available. I am looking to retrofit the suspension and have just added a rear rack with top box to use for my Lidl excursions when away! Well worth a look!

 

[Bertilak]

Yes you're right 600lb and 2" receiver...so trying to find out/ decide if one of this type fitted with a 2" to 4 bolt adapter would be safe/ legal to carry a 100kg scooter,I think the uneven balance creating turning motion may cause the box section to twist

AFAIK theres no problem with 100kg, Armitages etc have done them that drop into an adapter on your towbar flange for that for decades.

 

[oldiesontour]

AFAIK theres no problem with 100kg, Armitages etc have done them that drop into an adapter on your towbar flange for that for decades.

Thanks

 

[Bertilak]

You could carry a Coopop electric moped on the back of a PVC door on a standard Fiamma cycle rack.

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Thanks for posting, that's a new on me. Now they've got them approved for the road hopefully the model range will grow too. Looks like the frame is made to fit a case of beer!
I've just seen the new one, with rear suspension and pillion pegs. That will be really interesting to see, re performance... electric motors may overcome the traditional issues starting off with tiny engines.

 

[Kayak Kid]

Thanks for posting, that's a new on me. Now they've got them approved for the road hopefully the model range will grow too.

I have had mine for 2 + years now and as far as I am aware they have always been UK road legal. Due its first MOT in July. Not all insurers had them on their database when searching for a quote when I first got mine. I got cover via Bikesure and have stayed with them since. Other companies may have them included now.