Schengen travel from 1 Jan 2021

[busby]

As I understand it if HMG and EU cannot make a sensible agreement regarding tourists wishing to stay in the Schengen area for more than 90 days in 180, there will be a visa application required. It's hardly onerous, you merely have to prove you are healthy, financially supported and not there for criminal purposes, and do not intend to stay indefinitely. The Visa application won't cost more than a tank full of diesel, so I don't think it's worth getting hot under the collar about a bit of bureaucracy.

 

[Jim]

there will be a visa application required.

Not a Schengen visa though, you'd need to apply to a particular country within it.

 

[2657]

Agree what is done is done.
Let's wait until the talking is done and dusted..Then we will see the facts and not The fiction.RULE BRITTANIA.

BUSBY.

Exactly what or who should Britannia rule over and why

 

[The Wino]

The titre test (IF it becomes neccesary) only applies when entering the eu (IF it applies!). Not for returning to the uk. Therefore, if you leave before 31/12 you won’t need it to get into the eu, and may only need the usual worming pill on returning to the uk ( at the moment!)

If people are right and the only negotiation left is on trade why do we still not know about the pet transport regulations for certain?

 

[busby]

Exactly what or who should Britannia rule over and why

The Waves,,but unfortunately we don't have much of a navy..BUSBY

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[miklin]

As I understand it if HMG and EU cannot make a sensible agreement regarding tourists wishing to stay in the Schengen area for more than 90 days in 180, there will be a visa application required. It's hardly onerous, you merely have to prove you are healthy, financially supported and not there for criminal purposes, and do not intend to stay indefinitely. The Visa application won't cost more than a tank full of diesel, so I don't think it's worth getting hot under the collar about a bit of bureaucracy.

There will NOT be a visa available for tourists, only work/study.

 

[BreweryDave]

If people are right and the only negotiation left is on trade why do we still not know about the pet transport regulations for certain?

Because the official government website still uses the words ‘if’ and ‘may’, and still no update on what status the U.K. will get! I looked just now.....https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-travel-to-europe-after-brexit

Taking your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad

Take your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad: getting a pet passport or export health certificate, microchip, vaccinations and tapeworm treatments.

www.gov.uk

 

[Augusta08]

Yes that's an interesting anomaly, you can apply for a Spanish 120 day Visa, arrive via the Chunnel drive thru France, No check coming into Spain.... Stay 120 days..... Drive back thru France, no check again, arrive at Chunnel and then....... the passport people complain you've been in France 140 days??

I think I've pointed out elsewhere, the passport border force will not be able to police this rule, it's unenforcable.

Freedom of movement once it's been given can't be put back in the box.

 

[gus-lopez]

If people are right and the only negotiation left is on trade why do we still not know about the pet transport regulations for certain?

"Until all is agreed, nothing is agreed"
Even the new card I'm holding won't be Worth anything if the UK fall out without a deal.

 

[DBK]

As I understand it if HMG and EU cannot make a sensible agreement regarding tourists wishing to stay in the Schengen area for more than 90 days in 180, there will be a visa application required. It's hardly onerous, you merely have to prove you are healthy, financially supported and not there for criminal purposes, and do not intend to stay indefinitely. The Visa application won't cost more than a tank full of diesel, so I don't think it's worth getting hot under the collar about a bit of bureaucracy.

The EU's own website says getting a visa extension is very hard, those are the actual words it uses. None of the examples it gives of circumstances in which an extension might be granted include simple tourism.

But we shall see.

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[Augusta08]

The EU's own website says getting a visa extension is very hard, those are the actual words it uses. None of the examples it gives of circumstances in which an extension might be granted include simple tourism.

But we shall see.

Yes we shall see! There's almost certain to be a weak link in the chain. You only need a visa granted by one Schengen area country to access to them all.

So apply for a 4 month stay in Iceland and you'll be fine for France.

 

[Scotch mist]

"Until all is agreed, nothing is agreed"
Even the new card I'm holding won't be Worth anything if the UK fall out without a deal.

3 pages of debating the words “ if / should /would / could / possibly / probably / might “ seems pointless

As gus says. “ Until all is agreed, nothing is agreed”

 

[PhilandMena]

Easy, do the same as Stanley and Nigel, apply for EU passports.

A bit late for my reply I guess. However, I was just wandering how it works for people with both UK & Paddy passports who live in the UK. Do they have to use the same passport exiting and entering the UK and travelling across the E.U. or can they use a combination of both to avoid long ques and border checks, assuming there will be segregation and long ques after Jan 1st 2021 ?

 

[DBK]

A bit late for my reply I guess. However, I was just wandering how it works for people with both UK & Paddy passports who live in the UK. Do they have to use the same passport exiting and entering the UK and travelling across the E.U. or can they use a combination of both to avoid long ques and border checks, assuming there will be segregation and long ques after Jan 1st 2021 ?

They would have to use the same passport otherwise it will seem they have either left but didn't arrive or vice-versa depending on which one they used first.

 

[PhilandMena]

They would have to use the same passport otherwise it will seem they have either left but didn't arrive or vice-versa depending on which one they used first.

Thanks for this! It makes sense I suppose but as both passports would contain the same information name D.O.B etc I thought they would be able to track individuals regardless. Looks like those with a paddy passport are going to be OK ! I hope there is a good arrangment for us Brits. I hate que's with a passion and I think the French will ensure that's exactly what we do!

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[Gellyneck]

They would have to use the same passport otherwise it will seem they have either left but didn't arrive or vice-versa depending on which one they used first.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Hotel California?

We are programmed to receive
You can check-out any time you like
But you can never leave!

 

[gus-lopez]

A bit late for my reply I guess. However, I was just wandering how it works for people with both UK & Paddy passports who live in the UK. Do they have to use the same passport exiting and entering the UK and travelling across the E.U. or can they use a combination of both to avoid long ques and border checks, assuming there will be segregation and long ques after Jan 1st 2021 ?

Yes they are supposed to though many don't

They would have to use the same passport otherwise it will seem they have either left but didn't arrive or vice-versa depending on which one they used first.

Woman I know of here who is British also claimed an Irish one back when it all reared its head & in addition has a Polish one by marriage from years ago when lived there.
She uses them in 1,2,3 order.Out on 1 back on 2 out on 3 back on 1 etc; been doing it now for some years.

 

[Tykatem]

Thanks for this! It makes sense I suppose but as both passports would contain the same information name D.O.B etc I thought they would be able to track individuals regardless. Looks like those with a paddy passport are going to be OK ! I hope there is a good arrangment for us Brits. I hate que's with a passion and I think the French will ensure that's exactly what we do!

ETIAS and dual citizenship: which passport to use?
Dual citizenship is well-established and will not cause problems during the Broken Link Removed. Applicants will need to use just one of their passports to apply (assuming that at least one will be from an eligible country).

The same passport will need to be used during the application process and for entering the Schengen Area. An Broken Link Removed will only be valid when presented with the corresponding passport (the details must match exactly).

ETIAS visa waivers will be valid for 3 years or until the traveller’s passport expires (whichever comes first). It will not be possible to transfer an ETIAS to a new passport so this means that if your passport expires before your ETIAS, you will need to reapply for ETIAS.

With this in mind, if a traveller has 2 eligible passports and one of them has less than 3 years left, they should use the passport with the most time remaining to apply for ETIAS.

Broken Link Removed).

Pete

 

[gus-lopez]

Yes they are supposed to though many don't

Then we have the British man living on El Hierro who applied for spanish nationality around brexit time & received it 2 years later but had to choose a "spanish name" ?? So now he has a spanish ID card & passport in his 'new name' along with a British passport that doesn't tie up to the spanish one as they don't accept dual nationality.

 

[PhilandMena]

Thanks for this! I was not aware E.U. citizens will have to apply for an ETIAS by the end of 2022. Lets hope its also extended to UK passport holders but I fear not ! Long ques ahead me thinks!

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[DBK]

Yes they are supposed to though many don't

Woman I know of here who is British also claimed an Irish one back when it all reared its head & in addition has a Polish one by marriage from years ago when lived there.
She uses them in 1,2,3 order.Out on 1 back on 2 out on 3 back on 1 etc; been doing it now for some years.

But I guess they are not really tracking things at the moment. That is likely to start in 2021 and especially when ETIAS gets going which is 2022 I think.

 

[gus-lopez]

Thanks for this! I was not aware E.U. citizens will have to apply for an ETIAS by the end of 2022. Lets hope its also extended to UK passport holders but I fear not ! Long ques ahead me thinks!

I can't really see how it would work for any of them travelling now in & around europe on the Identity card alone? There are no borders? You can wander about all over the EU with a plastic card so why would they apply for etias? Flying or boat would be different although many fly at present using the card alone & no passport.

** The UK is on the exempt list but whether that is now or the same after the year end I've no idea?

 

[Tykatem]

Thanks for this! I was not aware E.U. citizens will have to apply for an ETIAS by the end of 2022. Lets hope its also extended to UK passport holders but I fear not ! Long ques ahead me thinks!

Citizens of countries that have visa-free access to European Union countries will require an ETIAS. Dual citizens that hold passports to an EU and ETIAS-eligible country will not require an ETIAS if they enter and exit Europe using their EU passport. Applicants with previous criminal history will be able to apply for ETIAS. British travellers will require an ETIAS in 2022.

ETIAS News & Information for Visitors coming to the EU - ETIAS.COM

News and information about ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorisation System). The ETIAS is similar to ESTA and will be required for many EU visitors.

etias.com

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Pete

 

[gwyntaxi]

Speak for yourself, me I'm still 17

Have you got them numbers the wrong way round, Lol

 

[nicholsong]

Reading through the ETIAS info I have realised one thing to my surprise.

By the time of its implementation I shoulld hold a Polish Temporary Resident Permit, which would currently allow me to travel within other Schengen countries for 90/180 days.

After ETIAS date as a UK passport holder I will need ETIAS also. Seems unnecessary duplication. At least since I am in a near death situation (over 70) I shall not have to pay.

In the unlikely event that UK loses it current visa-waiver status after 31st Dec, I suppose I will still be entitled to travel in Schengen on the Polish Permit for 90/180 days, so it seems having an ETIAS is superfluous.

Geoff

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[Chrisvh]

Thanks for this! I was not aware E.U. citizens will have to apply for an ETIAS by the end of 2022. Lets hope its also extended to UK passport holders but I fear not ! Long ques ahead me thinks!

This was originally a UK policy. EU citizens do not require an ETIAS. Only non EU citizens. It will not facilitate swift immigration processes but is a pre-requisite for entry to the EU. Interestingly criminal convictions will have to be declared on the ETIAS application and some will result in entry being refused. Should make Magaluf a little more civilised in the future.

 

[Captain Lloyd]

Your passport is swiped as you enter Shengin Zone from. UK and swiped again when you leave,,ie Morrocco,Turkey or UK .Computers will do the rest..BUSBY.

It may be swiped but with the greatest respect who told you that a date is recorded each time.
My belief is your details are checked, that’s it.

 

[Tanya_and_Mick]

The Schengen Entry/Exit System: biometrics to facilitate smart borders

The EU Entry/Exit System will create a unified database on the entry and exit movements of Third Country Nationals. Discover the EES system.

www.thalesgroup.com

 

[sallylillian]

The Schengen Entry/Exit System: biometrics to facilitate smart borders

The EU Entry/Exit System will create a unified database on the entry and exit movements of Third Country Nationals. Discover the EES system.

www.thalesgroup.com

So as Croatia is non Schengen/EES I suppose technically entering there removes you from the 90/180 and stops the clock?

 

[Tykatem]

So as Croatia is non Schengen/EES I suppose technically entering there removes you from the 90/180 and stops the clock?

Correct. until their application to join Schengen is accepted!

If you are in possession of a Schengen visa, you will not use up any days of the time limit (90 days in a 180 day period) that you are allowed to be in the Schengen zone if you visit Croatia. That is, until Croatia joins the Schengen Zone, of course!
This is useful if you’re travelling in Europe and need to be careful with the Schengen days you use up. If you come to Croatia you’ll still be in Europe, but won’t use up any “Schengen visa” days.

Visa Requirements for Croatia

Info on visa requirements for Croatia, visiting Croatia using a Schengen visa/residence permit and other details on entering the country

www.visit-croatia.co.uk

Pete

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