RV Tachographs?

[L' Hobo]

Yes they have tachos but I bet they also employ drivers which is different to what I call 'normal' racing teams

I never met a normal racing team?
They were all a bit ....... different?

 

[eddie]

Looking at the weight rules here:

Medium-sized vehicles​

Category C1​

You can drive vehicles between 3,500 and 7,500kg maximum authorised mass (MAM) (with a trailer up to 750kg).

Category C1E​

You can drive C1 category vehicles with a trailer over 750kg.
The combined maximum authorised mass (MAM) of both cannot exceed 12,000kg.

So you can drive a 7.5t motorhome with a 4.5t trailer, with a C1E licence.
Weather you then need a tacho, as the MAM is over 7.5t seem a bit of a gray area.

They are DVLA’s printed interpretation of the rules.

No one has ever been prosecuted for driving a 10,000 kg motorhome with a 7,500 kg licence

Ross Edwards from Travelworld was the last Court case I know of, and the CPS dropped the case

 

[L' Hobo]

They are DVLA’s printed interpretation of the rules.

No one has ever been prosecuted for driving a 10,000 kg motorhome with a 7,500 kg licence

Ross Edwards from Travelworld was the last Court case I know of, and the CPS dropped the case

Was that because Travel world has a lot of clout or other reasons because, basically you seem to be saying, no one needs apply for a C1 licence if they're of a certain age?

 

[eddie]

Was that because Travel world has a lot of clout or other reasons because, basically you seem to be saying, no one needs apply for a C1 licence if they're of a certain age?

I’m saying no private person has ever, been prosecuted for driving a private Motorhome plated over 7,500kg in the UK

Consequentially it means no one needs a private tacho

 

[Peter and Julie]

I’m saying no private person has ever, been prosecuted for driving a private Motorhome plated over 7,500kg in the UK

Consequentially it means no one needs a private tacho

Spot on! It's commercial (paid for work) that tacho is required.

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[Brains]

I’m saying no private person has ever, been prosecuted for driving a private Motorhome plated over 7,500kg in the UK

Consequentially it means no one needs a private tacho

You think I could drive this monster motorhome, in the UK, on a standard pre-1997 UK 'C1' driving licence and without a tacho ?
(28 tonnes, 12m, six beds, 8 belted seats)

 

[stewartwebr]

No tacho ?
Even if the motorhome is a 12m 20 ton coach based monster than needs an HGV licence?

My understanding is if it's over 7.5t (and not a construction/agricultural vehicle) then you need a tacho.
(There may be a gray area if it's 7.5t with a 1.25t trailer = 8.25t).

But still a basic 10 ton motorhome needs a tacho as far as I'm aware.
You 'may' be able to claim under 'GB domestic rules' that it's not required in the UK
But GB domestic rules do not apply outside the England, Wales and Scotland.

We are 10m long, 15tonnes plated and do not carry goods, so no need for tacho. Anyone who wishes to drive it does require “C” category on their driving license which I have. The key to the taco requirement which others have already mentioned is “non commercial carrying of goods” which we are not, so no requirement.

 

[stewartwebr]

You think I could drive this monster motorhome, in the UK, on a standard pre-1997 UK 'C1' driving licence and without a tacho ?
(28 tonnes, six beds, 8 belted seats)

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You need to separate driving license requirements and tacho requirements for the discussion as the law on both is completely different. In relation to your question I assume the bus in the photograph is above 7.5t therefore C category licence would be required. However, the vehicle is also towing therefore you would not be permitted to drive with only C category, you would require C+E to drive the exact set up in the picture.
Now onto the subject of tacographs. If the vehicle is registered on the V5 and a Motorcaravan and it is not carrying goods for commercial purposes then no legal requirement for a tachograph. However, that loophole was closed a number of years ago by DVLA where they no longer permit “coaches” to be reregistered as motorhomes. You can freely use them as a Motorhome but the category will not be changed on the V5 and the vehicle needs to be tested and compliant in relation to the V5 category therefore coach testing and coach rules

 

[L' Hobo]

You need to separate driving license requirements and tacho requirements for the discussion as the law on both is completely different. In relation to your question I assume the bus in the photograph is above 7.5t therefore C category licence would be required. However, the vehicle is also towing therefore you would not be permitted to drive with only C category, you would require C+E to drive the exact set up in the picture.
Now onto the subject of tacographs. If the vehicle is registered on the V5 and a Motorcaravan and it is not carrying goods for commercial purposes then no legal requirement for a tachograph. However, that loophole was closed a number of years ago by DVLA where they no longer permit “coaches” to be reregistered as motorhomes. You can freely use them as a Motorhome but the category will not be changed on the V5 and the vehicle needs to be tested and compliant in relation to the V5 category therefore coach testing and coach rules

MOTOR CARAVAN on the V5 in all this discussion, is the important bit.

If it is registered as PHGV, there might be different rulings?

 

[funflair]

MOTOR CARAVAN on the V5 in all this discussion, is the important bit.

If it is registered as PHGV, there might be different rulings?

Our V5 says "MOTOR CARAVAN" as the body type and "PRIVATE HGV" as the taxation class.

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[pappajohn]

Our V5 says "MOTOR CARAVAN" as the body type and "PRIVATE HGV" as the taxation class.

And the reason for PHGV tax class.......
There isnt a specific MOTORCARAVAN tax class at any weight

 

[eddie]

You think I could drive this monster motorhome, in the UK, on a standard pre-1997 UK 'C1' driving licence and without a tacho ?
(28 tonnes, 12m, six beds, 8 belted seats)

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Technically yes, sensible? No

You can also drive a library bus and a play bus

With Ross Edwards case the CPS dropped the case a couple of days before the trial when they realised the defence was calling the Department of Transport (as it was) as their expert witnesses

We closed the A303 about five years ago on an August Bank Holiday in a 11,000kg RV towing a Dihatsu Terios on a braked A Frame.

Front tyre blow out 100m or so from a roundabout

It was decided the quickest way was a rolling road block and commercial tyre company attend, about 14 really helpful coppers attended, and we were supplying cups of tea and sandwiches. Most wanted to look around inside, all thought having a little car was a great idea, and one asked if we needed a “special licence” to tow the A Framed car, all the while we were listening to ourselves being discussed by Sally Traffic and Steve Wright

Regarding Tacho’s most traders attending shows driving their motorhomes should legally have a tacho if over 3.5 tonne

 

[Oldrat]

I asked whether a Tacho would be required for this vehicle on the private Met police traffic officers FB page

This was the unanimous result. Tacho is not needed for motor caravans.