Royal Mail

[Wee Bold Davy]

The simple answer to that is to live somewhere within easy access, or go and collect your mail from a drop box or some other dedicated place,

If only life was that simple

 

[JJ]

I blame Thatcher...

JJ

 

[makems]

I lived in a remote part of America. in this sort of location US Post would deliver either to a box at the end of our access road (a couple of miles down a dirt trac)k or to a box at the local post office ( a few miles away) we chose the Post Office and paid a monthly rental for the facility.
Perhaps Royal Mail should adopt the same alternatives for remote areas.
(and for those who say “but how will disabled people cope?” The answer is “the same as they do in America”)
Agreta feature US Mail offers is that they will collect mail and even deliver stamps to your mailbox!

 

[Wack]

The post office has not been competitive for a long time, I can’t remember sending a lette, it’s all e mail now.
As for parcel’s there are so many better priced options.

Not under 2kg, £2.85 for a small parcel if you use ebay shipping or £3.35 at the post office, plus they're less likely to use a self employed moron who gets off on throwing them at the wall

 

[Coolcats]

I lived in a remote part of America. in this sort of location US Post would deliver either to a box at the end of our access road (a couple of miles down a dirt trac)k or to a box at the local post office ( a few miles away) we chose the Post Office and paid a monthly rental for the facility.
Perhaps Royal Mail should adopt the same alternatives for remote areas.
(and for those who say “but how will disabled people cope?” The answer is “the same as they do in America”)
Agreta feature US Mail offers is that they will collect mail and even deliver stamps to your mailbox!

But we are not America we have a national health service

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[Coolcats]

It’s interesting unions cannot call a strike unless they have at least 50% of the members vote for it.

This is not the 1970’s unions have to abide by different rules

Many cases of industrial action these days are not about increase in wages but more about changes in terms and conditions which affect the members and families along with the quality of life.

If you look at the rail workers the headlines are they want more money but the main issue is terms and conditions would you want to be placed on permanent night’s I wouldn’t.

I recall working on a Saturday @ time and a half and Sundays @ double time pay. Very few jobs offer that now, they either offer time off in lue or just treated as a rota day. Unions are needed to stop further erosion of conditions zero hours etc.

If an individual has a grievance against management a union can advise the individual they may have a case or to drop it. They don’t go with an individual to a HR meeting and start beating the desk telling the. Company is wrong and threatening to sue which is basically what is in ‘folk law’ they just observe to ensure both sides play fair.

 

[Minxy]

Oh dear Posting in the wrong forum brought back memories of 5th December 2002.11.40 am. As you can see; I never got over the verbal pasting I received then for doing that. I'm going to have to have a quiet lay down now.

Most definitely need a lie down ... the forum didn't even exist in 2002!

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[RM_Marine]

Get your tin hat on, there will be more piling in

Gina.

I've just had this for breakfast

 

[Puddleduck]

Wee Bold Davy thanks for posting that. It brought back good memories.

 

[Reallyretired]

I've just had this for breakfast

Is that green stuff spinach or did you sneeze?

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[Folkranger]

It’s interesting unions cannot call a strike unless they have at least 50% of the members vote for it.

This is not the 1970’s unions have to abide by different rules

Many cases of industrial action these days are not about increase in wages but more about changes in terms and conditions which affect the members and families along with the quality of life.

If you look at the rail workers the headlines are they want more money but the main issue is terms and conditions would you want to be placed on permanent night’s I wouldn’t.

I recall working on a Saturday @ time and a half and Sundays @ double time pay. Very few jobs offer that now, they either offer time off in lue or just treated as a rota day. Unions are needed to stop further erosion of conditions zero hours etc.

If an individual has a grievance against management a union can advise the individual they may have a case or to drop it. They don’t go with an individual to a HR meeting and start beating the desk telling the. Company is wrong and threatening to sue which is basically what is in ‘folk law’ they just observe to ensure both sides play fair.

Agree that unions are necessary to prevent erosion of conditions or even bring about improvement. Often however, this is confused with a luddite approach to preventing progress.

As to "Many cases of industrial action these days are not about increase in wages but more about changes in terms and conditions" It's strange how the majority of strikes come from the powerful unions who, behind a guise of defending against erosion of conditions, there is a claim for a pay increase that members of other less powerful unions can only drool over. In fact I can't remember a time when it wasn't thus.

 

[Tombola]

Many cases of industrial action these days are not about increase in wages but more about changes in terms and conditions which affect the members and families along with the quality of life.

Not pay motivated?

rail unions rejected 4% rise
Mail workers rejected 5% rise
Barristers refused 15% raise to legal aid, and want 25%
Bus drivers refused 3.2% in 2022 and 4.2% next year,

so if they dont give pay rises and offer better shifts, nicer tea rooms, and the like will they stop action?
its about pay 100% ...they are not working the coal face without PPE for goodness sake, meanwhile foodbank use is on the up.

 

[Minxy]

Not pay motivated?

rail unions rejected 4% rise
Mail workers rejected 5% rise
Barristers refused 15% raise to legal aid, and want 25%
Bus drivers refused 3.2% in 2022 and 4.2% next year,

so if they dont give pay rises and offer better shifts, nicer tea rooms, and the like will they stop action?
its about pay 100% ...they are not working the coal face without PPE for goodness sake, meanwhile foodbank use is on the up.

I thought Barristers had accepted the 15%, or was that just solicitors?

 

[Coolcats]

Agree that unions are necessary to prevent erosion of conditions or even bring about improvement. Often however, this is confused with a luddite approach to preventing progress.

As to "Many cases of industrial action these days are not about increase in wages but more about changes in terms and conditions" It's strange how the majority of strikes come from the powerful unions who, behind a guise of defending against erosion of conditions, there is a claim for a pay increase that members of other less powerful unions can only drool over. In fact I can't remember a time when it wasn't thus.

I do not disagree that pay is mentioned by the press but as you say it is often the erosion of conditions that lead to the pay issue. Looking ‘under the hood’ of the headlines may help an understanding of the issues.

 

[Tombola]

I thought Barristers had accepted the 15%, or was that just solicitors?

looks like they have in the end Minxy last week
57% voted yes

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[Gina M]

My husband was having problems with an employee who was finishing half an hour early every night, bad attitude towards other employees etc. so he called him in for a meeting to discuss his problems and told him to bring someone with him. The employee turns up with a Union Rep seems the employee was paying into a Union outside the workplace. The Union Rep listened carefully to both sides then turned to the employee and said "I would work for this man in a heartbeat, be grateful you have a caring and fair employer, and you cannot leave work early every day from now on unless you take half an hour a day pay cut"

Gina.

 

[Coolcats]

with inflation at around 10% most of those offers you mention are (in my view) derisory considering pay has been frozen or limited. interest rates were on the up before the recent mini budget a postie can be on 25k per year ( many on less) what type of property can they buy for themselves or their family? What sort of lifestyle can they have?

Most on MHF are self selecting many have paid off their mortgage and have a pension and fairly sorted, which is how life should be, why shouldn’t the next generations have the same luxury after a life of work.

 

[Coolcats]

My husband was having problems with an employee who was finishing half an hour early every night, bad attitude towards other employees etc. so he called him in for a meeting to discuss his problems and told him to bring someone with him. The employee turns up with a Union Rep seems the employee was paying into a Union outside the workplace. The Union Rep listened carefully to both sides then turned to the employee and said "I would work for this man in a heartbeat, be grateful you have a caring and fair employer, and you cannot leave work early every day from now on unless you take half an hour a day pay cut"

Gina.

Fair and reasonable comment from the union.

 

[Tombola]

with inflation at around 10% most of those offers you mention are (in my view) derisory considering pay has been frozen or limited. interest rates were on the up before the recent mini budget a postie can be on 25k per year ( many on less) what type of property can they buy for themselves or their family? What sort of lifestyle can they have?

Most on MHF are self selecting many have paid off their mortgage and have a pension and fairly sorted, which is how life should be, why shouldn’t the next generations have the same luxury after a life of work.

I dont think we have ever seen anyone wanting pay rises to match inflation when it was 1 and 2 percent or less.
or taking into consideration the decline in % terms year on year.
funny that !

 

[Minxy]

with inflation at around 10% most of those offers you mention are (in my view) derisory considering pay has been frozen or limited. interest rates were on the up before the recent mini budget a postie can be on 25k per year ( many on less) what type of property can they buy for themselves or their family? What sort of lifestyle can they have?

Most on MHF are self selecting many have paid off their mortgage and have a pension and fairly sorted, which is how life should be, why shouldn’t the next generations have the same luxury after a life of work.

Many of them can if they cut their cloth according to their means, we didn't have kids and I did extra work at home (typing thesis, dissertations etc) for a good few years when the interest rates were well into the teens. The only reason we've been able to retire early and do what we have is because we scrimped and saved for a long time, doing without stuff, I suspect there aren't many nowadays who would be willing to do that.

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[Driventemple]

I recall working on a Saturday @ time and a half and Sundays @ double time pay. Very few jobs offer that now, they either offer time off in lue or just treated as a rota day.

Ah, the good old days time and half and double time - sweet memories, but 'elf and safety was a bit lax...

 

[Coolcats]

My husband was having problems with an employee who was finishing half an hour early every night, bad attitude towards other employees etc. so he called him in for a meeting to discuss his problems and told him to bring someone with him. The employee turns up with a Union Rep seems the employee was paying into a Union outside the workplace. The Union Rep listened carefully to both sides then turned to the employee and said "I would work for this man in a heartbeat, be grateful you have a caring and fair employer, and you cannot leave work early every day from now on unless you take half an hour a day pay cut"

Gina.

As a Manager in a large unionised corporate I sacked or at least had HR dismiss a team member, the union agreed with both myself and HR as to why the individual was to be dismissed. They had a fair hearing and a small pay off. I truly hope that the individual found meaning in a new job and became successful but in the role they had they were totally unsuitable and unsuitable to be working in a large organisation which with some of the stories you would think it’s impossible to discipline or dismiss an employee due to being a union member. Having Good management and HR process is important it’s not an issue if every one plays fairly and by the employment rules.

In business I have met lazy and deceitful management (those who blame underlings for their shortcomings), management that take credit from workers successes those managers who are intimidated or discarded of the skills of their teams. But equally I have met some brilliant and compassionate management for who their teams will do anything for.

Unions can help balance or temper toxic management and shield the worker from poor management practice.

An employee should not be immune from being expected to do a fairs day work but equally should receive a fair days pay, Management on the other side shouldn’t treat workers as a work unit but as a person valuable resource

 

[Coolcats]

Ah, the good old days time and half and double time - sweet memories, but 'elf and safety was a bit lax...

Very fortunate and grateful for the opportunity to boost the wages at that time.

 

[Tombola]

We had a meeting for disciplining an employee and the union rep was present.)2 in fact?)
As it turned out the union rep and employee had been cuaght on cctv going into the stationary room, days before the meeting, and physically removing the job tickets that were related to the issue, that would have hung the lazy employee out to dry.

This CCTV was only shown after they had spewed their lies out at, and the end and mouths were wide open on red faces.

Hence the employee was found out and sacked, and the union rep disciplinary started, 2 weeks later he was sacked from both duties.

Yes of course the are bad managers/owners too, but I liked your sentence about balance etc totally true.

 

[bigtwin]

what type of property can they buy for themselves or their family? What sort of lifestyle can they have?

Buying property (or new cars, or annual overseas holidays, etc) is not a right.

why shouldn’t the next generations have the same luxury after a life of work.

Whether they can, or can’t, rather depends on a number of factors including, the amount they earn(ed) (dependent on skills/qualifications/experience/entrepreneurship/etc), the amount of non-essential expenditure they incur(red), the long term planning they undertake/undertook, etc.

Once size doesn’t fit all.

An employee should not be immune from being expected to do a fairs day work but equally should receive a fair days pay,

Indeed. However a fair day’s pay for a particular role doesn’t necessarily mean that they can lead a life to the same standard as others who earn/have more.

Ian

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[Captain Yoghurtpot]

So how about this.
I work in the NHS for an intermediary.
I am employed on a permanant contract with the intermediary company but not on a NHS employee contract.
I work directly alongside employees who ARE on NHS contracts, and yet we do identical jobs.
I am paid a flat rate for time and overtime including weekend working.
They are paid Time and a half for overtime and an hourly rate of £2 per hour more than me for identical work.
And I have never met such a bunch of workshy, millitant, awkward and bolshy group of ungrateful “ I have rights” people in my life, who cannot see what a bloody good number they are on and have pension benefits some would kill for.
I am so glad I made my own money, worked hard for outside of any if this laughable circus, in the private sector.
If I didnt like my employer or what they were up to, I sought out an alternative employment stream.
I didnt seek to join a Union and get the company to change to MY wants.
I am now only working to keep my pensions topped up, having taken an early back step to have a better work/life balance and only work part time.
Guess who is often put upon to do work when the NHS collective throw their dummies out and start a quick queue to the union door when asked to do something thats “Not in their job role”?
Unless its on a Bank Holiday of course and then they are queueing up to work as its double time and time off in leu, whereas I would just get time and an additional day off.
About time some of these “dead wood” employees were made an offer to politely “go away and take their pensions” as they are such a negative and demoralising bunch of selfish, ungrateful , self rightious individuals.
They would not last 5 mins in the Private sector, ie the real world.

 

[BikerGraham]

So how about this.
I work in the NHS for an intermediary.
I am employed on a permanant contract with the intermediary company but not on a NHS employee contract.
I work directly alongside employees who ARE on NHS contracts, and yet we do identical jobs.
I am paid a flat rate for time and overtime including weekend working.
They are paid Time and a half for overtime and an hourly rate of £2 per hour more than me for identical work.
And I have never met such a bunch of workshy, millitant, awkward and bolshy group of ungrateful “ I have rights” people in my life, who cannot see what a bloody good number they are on and have pension benefits some would kill for.
I am so glad I made my own money, worked hard for outside of any if this laughable circus, in the private sector.
If I didnt like my employer or what they were up to, I sought out an alternative employment stream.
I didnt seek to join a Union and get the company to change to MY wants.
I am now only working to keep my pensions topped up, having taken an early back step to have a better work/life balance and only work part time.
Guess who is often put upon to do work when the NHS collective throw their dummies out and start a quick queue to the union door when asked to do something thats “Not in their job role”?
Unless its on a Bank Holiday of course and then they are queueing up to work as its double time and time off in leu, whereas I would just get time and an additional day off.
About time some of these “dead wood” employees were made an offer to politely “go away and take their pensions” as they are such a negative and demoralising bunch of selfish, ungrateful , self rightious individuals.
They would not last 5 mins in the Private sector, ie the real world.

Not only have I come across these some of my friends have that exact attitude.
Also the payoffs are usually extremely generous, cause it’s just the tax payer that is billed, where many private companies will only pay the government states allowances.

 

[BikerGraham]

There is always a public sector v’s the private sector disagreement in these type of discussions.

Thing is if people actually compared the overall values of the whole employment packages then there may be less resentment.

There may well still be differences but it may lessen the overall arguments.

 

[Steve and Denise]

with inflation at around 10% most of those offers you mention are (in my view) derisory considering pay has been frozen or limited. interest rates were on the up before the recent mini budget a postie can be on 25k per year ( many on less) what type of property can they buy for themselves or their family? What sort of lifestyle can they have?

Most on MHF are self selecting many have paid off their mortgage and have a pension and fairly sorted, which is how life should be, why shouldn’t the next generations have the same luxury after a life of work.

I suppose it a bit like do what I did and get another job to help me further my earning!
I went self employed at the age of 23 frightening and uncertainty ! But I did it and had lots of ups and downs as the fortunes just rolled in as I was blessed with success! My Arse!
it was bloody hard in every way and can still be done today if you have drive and ambition!
but I know nothing of hard times or a shit life and hard graft, as I must have been gifted with a silver spoon
The only silver spoon I saw was on a bag of sugar

 

[BikerGraham]

I suppose it a bit like do what I did and get another job to help me further my earning!
I went self employed at the age of 23 frightening and uncertainty ! But I did it and had lots of ups and downs as the fortunes just rolled in as I was blessed with success! My Arse!
it was bloody hard in every way and can still be done today if you have drive and ambition!
but I know nothing of hard times or a shit life and hard graft, as I must have been gifted with a silver spoon
The only silver spoon I saw was on a bag of sugar

Got mates who are envious of the “cushy life of a consultant” but. Wouldn’t do it themselves and take the risk as they want to know they are getting paid every month.

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