Replacing a loo!

[AndyPip]

Greetings!

We have just joined the group and would appreciate some advice!

We have a Knuas Meg 640 Vansation on a Man chassis and would like to swap out the Thetford 400 Bench toilet for Separett Tiny separating toilet, however I am not sure that I have the DIY skills or the confidence to take on the job.

I would appreciate any advice from anyone that has actually fitted this toilet. or something similar, especially in removing the existing bench loo - or if you can recommend anyone who might be able to carry out the job.

Kind regards,

Andrew

 

[chaser]

Honestly can't see anything going for it.

 

[Rog NotJane]

chaser the original question wasn’t “does everyone here see the point in other toilet systems”

Jon Stewart by your tone, I suspect you’re trying to goad me into some sort of argument (apologies if not) but, because it’s Friday I’ll bite.

because they don't want to use Green'?

This is a fragment of a sentence, and I apologise that the full context wasn’t great - I didn’t know I’d be examined on my English - but that does explain why this phrase starts with a conjunction. The wider context also defines my use of the third person pronoun - it means “the people who want to use separating toilets”. I hope “don’t want to use” is clear but, if not I’m stating my belief that those people are choosing other toilet technologies because they have a preference. Finally, that preference: it is about “green”. Here perhaps I can understand your confusion. I just searched MHF for “green” and there are a few common usages on these forums. We can hopefully rule out “green cards”, “green LEDs” and “green lights”. I meant green toilet fluid - it’s a type of cleaning agent used in motor home toilets, I’m sorry if that was confusing.

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

Pretty sure you knew it was just the 'green' bit that needed explaining, I didn't know what you meant and this must be at least my 50th toilet thread!

 

[Just smiffy]

I don’t see what’s difficult about the cassette no chemicals in it is no big deal, only smells when emptying whether chemicals are used or not and if you travel Europe there’s is always somewhere to empty every day…

I pee in a large fabric bottle so can empty that virtually anywhere and it’s pee that fills up the cassette… but I don’t use that either… I cut out the expensive compost toilet and bag it straight to the bin….

I don’t understand why some people get hung up about something everyone does every day since the beginning of time…

Crack…on.

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[chaser]

chaser the original question wasn’t “does everyone here see the point in other toilet systems”

Shame, it would have been a far better question and saved him eight hundred quid and a lot of messing about.

 

[Jon Stewart]

chaser the original question wasn’t “does everyone here see the point in other toilet systems”

Jon Stewart by your tone, I suspect you’re trying to goad me into some sort of argument (apologies if not) but, because it’s Friday I’ll bite.



This is a fragment of a sentence, and I apologise that the full context wasn’t great - I didn’t know I’d be examined on my English - but that does explain why this phrase starts with a conjunction. The wider context also defines my use of the third person pronoun - it means “the people who want to use separating toilets”. I hope “don’t want to use” is clear but, if not I’m stating my belief that those people are choosing other toilet technologies because they have a preference. Finally, that preference: it is about “green”. Here perhaps I can understand your confusion. I just searched MHF for “green” and there are a few common usages on these forums. We can hopefully rule out “green cards”, “green LEDs” and “green lights”. I meant green toilet fluid - it’s a type of cleaning agent used in motor home toilets, I’m sorry if that was confusing.

Not interested in arguing, just understanding.

Absolutely, go green and get a sog system, which will be a greener solution that what you propose, as you will not be binning the current set of manufactured plastic that your current loo is made from, and you won't have caused more energy to be expended making the replacement loo.

 

[Minxy]

Just my observation ref the 'green' credentials, not being argumentative, I just don't believe they are actually any greener than a cassette system.

For others here, the reasons people might want to have a composting toilet are:

• environmental impact

I don't agree with this one as you have to use bags for the solids and/or some form of 'mulch', neither of which you have to do with a cassette fitted with a sog. If people use chemicals or other additives in a cassette then they are on the same 'green' level as the separating toilet (they're not composting toilets).

• less smell

From what?

• longer between empties

Depends on the model selected I suspect.

• less reliance on paid sites

Depends on how you holiday, we don't use sites. You still have to empty it somewhere, be it in the hedge (fluids) and bins (solids), so someone has to deal with the latter after you've disposed of it.

• cheaper running costs

But you have to buy the bags and/or mulch so how is that cheaper than a sog toilet?

• don’t need to carry/buy chemicals - eg if you’re in country where you can’t buy them

You don't have to anyway, if you really want to add something cheap bio washing liquid does the trick as it's only to mask any smells, with a sog they're not needed at all.

 

[chaser]

Just my observation ref the 'green' credentials, not being argumentative, I just don't believe they are actually any greener than a cassette system.


I don't agree with this one as you have to use bags for the solids and/or some form of 'mulch', neither of which you have to do with a cassette fitted with a sog. If people use chemicals or other additives in a cassette then they are on the same 'green' level as the separating toilet (they're not composting toilets).


From what?


Depends on the model selected I suspect.


Depends on how you holiday, we don't use sites. You still have to empty it somewhere, be it in the hedge (fluids) and bins (solids), so someone has to deal with the latter after you've disposed of it.


But you have to buy the bags and/or mulch so how is that cheaper than a sog toilet?


You don't have to anyway, if you really want to add something cheap bio washing liquid does the trick as it's only to mask any smells, with a sog they're not needed at all.

Spot on

 

[Rog NotJane]

Just my observation ref the 'green' credentials, not being argumentative, I just don't believe they are actually any greener than a cassette system.

Very probably true. I think most of the points I quoted are opinion not facts.

Just to be clear: We use cassettes in Denby and we're going to stick with cassettes in the new van. I just think it's a good idea to understand why other people might make different decisions than you do and support them in that.

Whatever, this thread has probably gone on too long, it's been featured by Jim in the weekly round up and, probably completely scared the new member away from MHF :-(

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[akadingbat]

You can find a lot of the answers on this page for the Joolca toilet.

GottaGo

Toilets shipping in late June Separating solids from liquids, the Joolca GottaGo Toilet gives you all the options. It’s superior to other chemical toilets in that it doesn’t fill up the solids tank with urine and flush water. It lets you use a bag when there are no dump points. It can be used as...

www.joolca.co.uk

 

[Just smiffy]

These separator and composting toilets are really just gimmicks though… it’s like reinventing the wheel…

 

[Minxy]

Whatever, this thread has probably gone on too long, it's been featured by Jim in the weekly round up and, probably completely scared the new member away from MHF :-(

Oh cr@p ....

 

[Garry - June]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the biggest issue with composting/incinerator toilets... namely the power consumption... if you plan on not being on EHU then that might give serious cause for concern.

 

[funflair]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the biggest issue with composting/incinerator toilets... namely the power consumption... if you plan on not being on EHU then that might give serious cause for concern.

There are plenty of options that don't incinerate though so are a lot easier to run, but yes you are right the incinerator types need a lot of power, gas, electric or diesel.

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[Rog NotJane]

Incinerators use about 180ml of either LPG or diesel. That's a lot of LPG and a fair amount of diesel but not as worrying as the LPG.

I don't think anyone would ever consider the electric versions for a mobile installation. Although... I do like the idea of asking people to fire up the generator to go to the bog.