Repatriation. Moving. Delivering etc

[Brains]

This thread currently on the go. Whilst not specific to your question might be interesting reading.

Repatriation of motor home

This is a hypothetical question, has anyone any knowledge of repatriating a m/h from an european country if the sole driver takes ill?

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

Weirdly that thread has now disappeared ...

 

[Widge]

Oh bollox. I've just been reminded that we cannot drive a foreign vehicle in Spain with a Spanish driving license. This why I had to sell my UK registered van

I may have to pull this thread, but I'll do some investigation first

Bugger

I have some recollection that it is the same with a french licence, (so maybe an EU thing) but i thought that there was an exception which was that it was ok as long as the owner is with you.

I will try and find out.

 

[jumartoo]

You can drive a Spanish registered vehicle in Spain with a UK driving licence. You can't drive it in the UK with that licence though. (Only for a few weeks if you're importing it).

You can't drive any foreign registered vehicle in the country of your licence (again unless you're in the process of importing it). So Spanish licence holders can't drive a UK vehicle in Spain legally, except if the vehicle owner is in the vehicle with them.

 

[jumartoo]

Weirdly that thread has now disappeared ...

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[Bolti]

My insurance Saga says it covers "Any person driving in the event of a medical emergency involving the policy holder or named person driving with the policy holders permission."
So a call to the insurance company and you should be OK to drive the vehicle.

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[Gellyneck]

It's still there. Refresh your page.

Or put the gin bottle down!

 

[Run to the Sun]

I don’t know about Spain or other eu countries but here in Portugal, it’s the vehicle that’s insured - not the driver.
So anyone, with the driver’s permission can drive the vehicle.
I’m still driving on a uk license here so I don’t know what the implications would be if I was on a Portuguese license.

I think your idea is great and I hope you can find a way around the Spanish license issue

You are 100% right, its much better and a lot cheaper insuring cars over here. You still need to register your UK license with the IMT or exchange for a Portuguese license. The PSP have been stopping a few people and they know the laws, the local GNR you might get away with unless you are involved in a accident. You still need your residency certificate from whatever municipality/câmara you are living to register with the IMT, can't do one without the other.

 

[Run to the Sun]

I must admit, my first thoughts were, that sounds like a very restrictive practice, which I didn't think was allowed in the EU but I'm prepared to be proven wrong?

From my understanding you can drive on a UK license up to 6 months in Spain. Different from Portugal, that I do know. The EU is a bit of joke with a lot of these types of laws/rules. You try and matriculate a car in Portugal after 6 months, its a nightmare with costs. Its all illegal, in otherwords they are not following EU rules on importation but they just pay the EU fines on a yearly basis, there is always talk on the local FB boards on this stuff. Portugal has special taxes "Impostos especiais sobre consumo" translate to excise taxes. Loads of goods fall into this, for cars its called ISV @ 23% on top of other taxes. One of the big reasons the second hand car market prices are very strong.

 

[Mizzalotte]

We do recovery and salvage our fully comprehensive traders insurance is £15,000 pa with a vehicle limit of £50,000 which wouldn't cover most motorhomes although we are covered for the EU but with having uk licences we are not allowed to drive EU registered vehicles.

I drive on my uk driving licence and live in France, I drive a 4250kgs Carthago and it is French registered, why are you not allowed to drive EU registered vehicles?

 

[Mizzalotte]

I don’t know about Spain or other eu countries but here in Portugal, it’s the vehicle that’s insured - not the driver.
So anyone, with the driver’s permission can drive the vehicle.
I’m still driving on a uk license here so I don’t know what the implications would be if I was on a Portuguese license.

I think your idea is great and I hope you can find a way around the Spanish license issue

It is the vehicle in France that is insured

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[ashley 1340]

Not sure how many Funsters there are, but as an association could we all chip in and have our own flat back truck that volunteers could use to carry out recoveries , and offer the service commercially to other groups

 

[L' Hobo]

Not sure how many Funsters there are, but as an association could we all chip in and have our own flat back truck that volunteers could use to carry out recoveries , and offer the service commercially to other groups

I suggested something similar months ago and,at the time I thought the Funsters numbered 60,000+ but was informed that, only a few hundred were active and even less went across the water on a regular basis?
I hope I remembered that correctly?

 

[stevewagner]

Not sure how many Funsters there are, but as an association could we all chip in and have our own flat back truck that volunteers could use to carry out recoveries , and offer the service commercially to other groups

Lots of hoops to jump through then. Operators licence, CPC qualifications etc.

 

[Wildbill]

Lots of hoops to jump through then. Operators licence, CPC qualifications etc.

As long as it a uk register van nothing stopping them just putting who ever on the insurance I think that the op was thinking uk registered vans
Lots of complexity in doing Europe van I would think
WB

 

[Run to the Sun]

A bit of the OP topic but another way around this if you are looking to start up a business rather than the lifestyle aspect is to use truck companies from the UK who regularly go into Europe. The USP here is that a hell of lot of goods are sent out on lorries etc into Europe and a lot come back empty. Most logistic companies would rather have a load coming back into the UK so they are earning both ways. Contacting all the UK companies, putting a list together that can deal with MH’s and deliver back into the UK at the MH’s owners designated drop off address. Back to a website advertising the service but keeping the logistic companies in-house. You deal with the MH’s owners, do the admin/organising of the pick up etc and either charge a set price or put a fee on top of what the logistics company is going to charge you. Ultimately you are the middle man. Everyone is a winner. Your insurance problems of the MH, having a license etc all disappear as the logistic companies insure all goods in transit.

I was in Austria just before covid struck, just about 2 weeks before Italy closed down followed by Spain, then Portugal. I had to get back home to Portugal urgently so left the vehicle in a yard, contact came from the overloading community. Got back to Portugal, then bang, couldn't get out of Portugal and no chance of getting over to Austria via road. I found a company in the UK who picked up the vehicle from Austria as they were dropping off a load in Germany and could get over border crossings with the covid restrictions. The only issue was she had to go back to the UK because of covid and stayed a mates warehouse, that is where the truck company delivered too. I think from memory it was around £600, but they had a lot of hurdles with the crossings and all the extra paperwork so they charged me.

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[chesterfield hooligan]

I think we are looking at two things here one is organising driver's to help injured or even dead members move vehicles which are perfectly driveable so long as properly insured with the correct driving licence which I think is doable, secondly recovery a completely different kettle of fish which needs to be done by specialist no one wants their pride and joy damage through someone not knowing the ins and out of loading a recovery lorry. Another thing a recovery vehicle to recover some of the large motorhomes that Funsters own would cost in the region of £200,000 to £300,000 and the driver would have to have a class 1 running cost for fuel at 8 or 9 to the gallon.

 

[stevewagner]

As long as it a uk register van nothing stopping them just putting who ever on the insurance I think that the op was thinking uk registered vans
Lots of complexity in doing Europe van I would think
WB

He was talking about buying a truck and using it to repatriate vehicles which would involve all sorts of additional requirements as I said.

 

[Brains]

It's still there. Refresh your page.

Nope
Still unavailable to me.

Has it been moved to one of the secret forum areas like the U shaped lounge or the belly Locker ?

Anyway, not important, I hopefully added constructive help to the discussion, as I first bought up the pitfalls of having a second named driver on the insurance.

 

[zac]

Works for me

 

[Wildbill]

He was talking about buying a truck and using it to repatriate vehicles which would involve all sorts of additional requirements as I said.

Might be a good idea to go to post #1 the op first post on this thread.
No mention of buying a truck just doing a good dead driving back vans for folks who have had illness or god forbid a death
Good man’s intentions to do a good dead
Wildbill

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