Removing accessories before sale

[Peppadog]

For medical reasons, we are downsizing our 2007 Hymer A class to a PVC. I plan to leave the twin Gaslow, the roof mounted motorhome wifi, as they might enhance the offer and would, at best, leave a skirt mounted gas filler. And probably the PWS rear bar with tow hook.

But what to do about the three year old E&P levellers? They cost over £5k and can be swapped over for £1500. I know it makes the van more attractive, but I’m thinking £34k with it and £30k without it.

Which one would you buy?

 

[Peppadog]

From Coolcats reply:
That's my point. Over a similar van, all other things being equal, you would choose the loaded one I think?

 

[Coolcats]

That's my point. Over a similar van, all other things being equal, you would choose the loaded one I think?

We sold our T5 with all the extras fitted and was at the top end of the asking price the only concession made was they needed a Child seat which would cost around £500 and that is what I shifted on and got a great price for the T5

 

[Captain Birdseye]

For medical reasons, we are downsizing our 2007 Hymer A class to a PVC. I plan to leave the twin Gaslow, the roof mounted motorhome wifi, as they might enhance the offer and would, at best, leave a skirt mounted gas filler. And probably the PWS rear bar with tow hook.

But what to do about the three year old E&P levellers? They cost over £5k and can be swapped over for £1500. I know it makes the van more attractive, but I’m thinking £34k with it and £30k without it.

Which one would you buy?

We transferred our e&p levellers because we were part exchanging and dealers never give you more for extras. It's the same with cars. A private seller may give you more. I would advertise it at two prices. One with & one without the levellers. We also have full air suspension onn our A class and I kept the removed suspension parts so that also could be removed as it cost almost double the levellers.

 

[DangerMousy]

I think its a very different decision if you're part exchanging to a dealer or if you're selling privately.

We bought our Rapido privately and were very pleased it came with a 32" TV, twin 11kg Gaslow (full), TPMS system, satellite system, and a scooter rack (which meant it already had chassis extensions fitted). I don't think we paid more for it than other ones without those extras, but it made it a lot more attractive to us.

We're now in the process of part-exing the Rapido for a Carthago and when negotiating the trade-in price the dealer claimed not to be interested in the extras (as they'd have to warranty them). So we're removing everything we can either transfer to the new MH or sell.

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[gwyntaxi]

For medical reasons, we are downsizing our 2007 Hymer A class to a PVC. I plan to leave the twin Gaslow, the roof mounted motorhome wifi, as they might enhance the offer and would, at best, leave a skirt mounted gas filler. And probably the PWS rear bar with tow hook.

But what to do about the three year old E&P levellers? They cost over £5k and can be swapped over for £1500. I know it makes the van more attractive, but I’m thinking £34k with it and £30k without it.

Which one would you buy?

It's a personal decision, a dealer will come up with all manner of bull$#!/

For medical reasons, we are downsizing our 2007 Hymer A class to a PVC. I plan to leave the twin Gaslow, the roof mounted motorhome wifi, as they might enhance the offer and would, at best, leave a skirt mounted gas filler. And probably the PWS rear bar with tow hook.

But what to do about the three year old E&P levellers? They cost over £5k and can be swapped over for £1500. I know it makes the van more attractive, but I’m thinking £34k with it and £30k without it.

Which one would you buy?

I’d go with transferring. A dealer will not allow for add ons in his price and £1500 to switch its a no brainer as your used to them and would be a must have add on

For medical reasons, we are downsizing our 2007 Hymer A class to a PVC. I plan to leave the twin Gaslow, the roof mounted motorhome wifi, as they might enhance the offer and would, at best, leave a skirt mounted gas filler. And probably the PWS rear bar with tow hook.

But what to do about the three year old E&P levellers? They cost over £5k and can be swapped over for £1500. I know it makes the van more attractive, but I’m thinking £34k with it and £30k without it.

Which one would you buy?

A personal decision really, a dealer will blind you will all sorts of bullsxxt that he can't recoup any extra that he'd allow you for the extras, so will only all you what you'd get if you took them off, But when he comes to selling it's a whole different story, like, I had to all extra in p/x for this van hence the slightly higher price we are asking you for it.
However there is a limit, when I bought my first ever Hymer 8 years ago from T,/World which I still have, I new nothing about Hymer spec, the previous owner had stripped anything he could, e.g. the Inverter, TV aerial off roof, satellite system, and even the front fog lights which were part of Hymer Spec on my Starline and replaced them with round reflectors, but I still had to pay Top Price as It was the model I wanted, as for the Oyster system T/W insisted I left it on as well as other extras, Sorry for such s long post but I would be inclined to remove Some of yours especially the high cost extras...Just saying

 

[Peppadog]

Most of it will stay on. Only the levellers are coming off. Thats where my first thoughts here started from I guess.
Even without them, it has an Avtex tv, Oyster sat system, factory fit roof air, cab air, cruise control, motorhome roof mounted wifi with everything except the sim card, twin 11kg Gaslow kit, all led lighting, external cab screen covers, rear camera, reversing sensors and a PWS rear bar with tow bar (I need the bolt on scooter rack I fitted for next van).
I think thats a pretty good set up really. If anyone here is after a very nice 7m. Hymer that my next license won't allow me to drive (3900kg) in a years time, and they are desperate for it to have E&P levelling, they need to contact me before the 2nd. December. That's when its booked in for removal. I'll put it up for sale soon after I hope.
I'm collecting my PVC next week. Its gonna look like a car park here until its gone

 

[Tarn2]

Something to bear in mind, if changing from A class to PVC is the age old weight/payload conundrum? Levellers, plus anything else you transfer over could reduce your payload dramatically?

 

[Peppadog]

Something to bear in mind, if changing from A class to PVC is the age old weight/payload conundrum? Levellers, plus anything else you transfer over could reduce your payload dramatically?

You are right. I start with 600kg though at a gvw rating of 3300kg. I will get it uprated to 3500kg. A tow bar and rack, plug electric scooter, is the big load. The levellers are pretty light really. Though I can't remember exactly how light.

 

[cyberyacht]

Dealers always come up with the "not a popular colour, sir" when it comes to trade-in. Whilst colour won't feature with motorhomes, you can bet they won't give you a bean for any extra kit, no matter how pricey.

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[Clangers]

Remove everything you can, a dealer might charge you for leaving it attached!
Ive noticed there are still some people that trust dealers to give them a fair deal.
DON’T TRUST ANY OF THEM

 

[Gover]

For medical reasons, we are downsizing our 2007 Hymer A class to a PVC. I plan to leave the twin Gaslow, the roof mounted motorhome wifi, as they might enhance the offer and would, at best, leave a skirt mounted gas filler. And probably the PWS rear bar with tow hook.

But what to do about the three year old E&P levellers? They cost over £5k and can be swapped over for £1500. I know it makes the van more attractive, but I’m thinking £34k with it and £30k without it.

Which one would you buy?

Having just downsized for medical reasons, I would definitely buy with E&Ps for £34k.

 

[minesapint]

For medical reasons, we are downsizing our 2007 Hymer A class to a PVC. I plan to leave the twin Gaslow, the roof mounted motorhome wifi, as they might enhance the offer and would, at best, leave a skirt mounted gas filler. And probably the PWS rear bar with tow hook.

But what to do about the three year old E&P levellers? They cost over £5k and can be swapped over for £1500. I know it makes the van more attractive, but I’m thinking £34k with it and £30k without it.

Which one would you buy?

I would buy the one with the levellers.
If you are selling privately leave the extras on and add a sensible bit onto the selling price, but if to a dealer you probably will not get much more than base price, so remove what you want.

 

[Tony50]

I was told by my px dealer to strip off everything i’d had fitted as they couldn’t warranty any of it
So that’s exactly what we did including the levellers, it was stripped bare and I mean bare, even taking the unused spare wheel

Gaslow, solar, tv’s, levellers, battery display, victron stuff, maxview dish, aircon, you name it I stripped it

We did just that, and bought a load of circular matching trim stickers to cover up numerous holes I had cut inside for wiring etc. Then sold to Dealer

 

[Minxy]

You are right. I start with 600kg though at a gvw rating of 3300kg. I will get it uprated to 3500kg. A tow bar and rack, plug electric scooter, is the big load. The levellers are pretty light really. Though I can't remember exactly how light.

Do you know what the 'real' payload is of your PVC, ie has it been weighed? PVCs can be heavier than a coachbuilt of the same size and therefore have less usable payload.

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[Sapper520]

Do you know what the 'real' payload is of your PVC, ie has it been weighed? PVCs can be heavier than a coachbuilt of the same size and therefore have less usable payload.

Peppadog is getting the same van as we have.

I weighed ours before a 3 week trip last year, with everything loaded ( including full fuel / Adblue, spare wheel fitted underneath, towbar, about 30 litres of water, 5 litre container of Adblue, 2 leisure batteries ) otherthan my wife, quilt and sheets. Didn’t have our rack and bikes on, which if we’d have taken them would have been a total of about 50-55kgs.

Total was 3140kgs…..unable to weigh Front and rear separately. We’ve uprated ours to 3500kgs, giving us another 360kgs should we need it….minus the wifes weight…..no idea what that is.

 

[L' Hobo]

Peppadog is getting the same van as we have.

I weighed ours before a 3 week trip last year, with everything loaded ( including full fuel / Adblue, spare wheel fitted underneath, towbar, about 30 litres of water, 5 litre container of Adblue, 2 leisure batteries ) otherthan my wife, quilt and sheets. Didn’t have our rack and bikes on, which if we’d have taken them would have been a total of about 50-55kgs.

Total was 3140kgs…..unable to weigh Front and rear separately. We’ve uprated ours to 3500kgs, giving us another 360kgs should we need it….minus the wifes weight…..no idea what that is.

I don't think individuals come into the weight equation, they ask you all to get out and they add 70kls (or used to) to represent people?

 

[Peppadog]

Peppadog is getting the same van as we have.

I weighed ours before a 3 week trip last year, with everything loaded ( including full fuel / Adblue, spare wheel fitted underneath, towbar, about 30 litres of water, 5 litre container of Adblue, 2 leisure batteries ) otherthan my wife, quilt and sheets. Didn’t have our rack and bikes on, which if we’d have taken them would have been a total of about 50-55kgs.

Total was 3140kgs…..unable to weigh Front and rear separately. We’ve uprated ours to 3500kgs, giving us another 360kgs should we need it….minus the wifes weight…..no idea what that is.

I’m following your lead at the mo Sapper, as we don’t collect the van until next week.

Where did you get your towbar? And did it need a special canbus wiring kit?

 

[Jackd]

You are right. I start with 600kg though at a gvw rating of 3300kg. I will get it uprated to 3500kg. A tow bar and rack, plug electric scooter, is the big load. The levellers are pretty light really. Though I can't remember exactly how light.

If you decide that the levelling kit will add too much weight to your new van, PM me.

 

[Sapper520]

I’m following your lead at the mo Sapper, as we don’t collect the van until next week.

Where did you get your towbar? And did it need a special canbus wiring kit?

Had it fitted by the dealer (who sub-contracted it out), but I did stipulate I wanted the proper electric’s fitted and not the universal kit.

It all works well, but having the detachable tow ball means there is no adjustment on the ball mounting, in order to be able to open the back barn doors. Get a standard type tow ball and you can put spacers in and drop it low enough to fit a tilting bike rack, and be able to open both back doors.

I’m sure any decent mobile tow bar fitters will charge you less than the £800 we were charged.

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[Sapper520]

I don't think individuals come into the weight equation, they ask you all to get out and they add 70kls (or used to) to represent people?

Not sure what you mean. Manufactures add 75kgs for a driver in their figures. When I went to the weigh bridge I stayed in my seat……so my 80ish kgs were included in the 3140kgs.

 

[Peppadog]

Had it fitted by the dealer (who sub-contracted it out), but I did stipulate I wanted the proper electric’s fitted and not the universal kit.

It all works well, but having the detachable tow ball means there is no adjustment on the ball mounting, in order to be able to open the back barn doors. Get a standard type tow ball and you can put spacers in and drop it low enough to fit a tilting bike rack, and be able to open both back doors.

I’m sure any decent mobile tow bar fitters will charge you less than the £800 we were charged.

Thanks. I was quoted £950 today by LNB in Bristol. I can buy the bar for £250+ depending who from. That's with a 150kg nose weight rating, which I will need for my scooter rack. But the wiring loom is another £250/350, so you £800 was not as stupid as it looks.

 

[Sapper520]

Thanks. I was quoted £950 today by LNB in Bristol. I can buy the bar for £250+ depending who from. That's with a 150kg nose weight rating, which I will need for my scooter rack. But the wiring loom is another £250/350, so you £800 was not as stupid as it looks.

That sounds a lot for the wiring. My prices are two years old now, and we know how prices have gone mad now.

 

[L' Hobo]

Not sure what you mean. Manufactures add 75kgs for a driver in their figures. When I went to the weigh bridge I stayed in my seat……so my 80ish kgs were included in the 3140kgs.

It was the Manufacturers weight allowance I was speaking of. the last time I got 'pulled' by the road authorities in Surrey, they asked us to get out of the van after we had parked on their weighbridge, I thought the allowance was 70kgs, but it was a long time ago.

I'm over 6 foot and I weigh 120kgs, all relaxed muscle of course.

 

[Sapper520]

It was the Manufacturers weight allowance I was speaking of. the last time I got 'pulled' by the road authorities in Surrey, they asked us to get out of the van after we had parked on their weighbridge, I thought the allowance was 70kgs, but it was a long time ago.

I'm over 6 foot and I weigh 120kgs, all relaxed muscle of course.

You do know if you breath in and hold your breath you weigh less?

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[Minxy]

You do know if you breath in and hold your breath you weigh less?

Nooooo ... that ain't right .... you need to breathe out!!!!

 

[L' Hobo]

Nooooo ... that ain't right .... you need to breathe out!!!!

I do both, so should be okay!

 

[Coolcats]

Nooooo ... that ain't right .... you need to breathe out!!!!

You sure because when taking a deep breath in a swimming pool you float more breath out and you sink

 

[WoldsSunlight]

We sold our T5 with all the extras fitted and was at the top end of the asking price the only concession made was they needed a Child seat which would cost around £500 and that is what I shifted on and got a great price for the T5

When I sold my T5 California I took off the 'styling' modifications that I had put on - [after market rear light units (smoked finish with LEDs, ditto side repeater indicators)] The side bars between the wheel arches stayed on, but that was it. It's amazing how much you can achieve for these items s/h when there is a 'cult' following. I also sold a pop-top inner liner which I had bought s/h and not got around to fitting - I sold it on for 150% of what I paid for it 2 years previously!
Doing that gave me wriggle room on the asking price for the Cali when I sold it privately - the eventual new owner haggled me down a little, not knowing that my final figure was still achieving my initial asking price once the accessories I had sold previously were taken into account, and the previous time waster who had paid a non-refundable 4 figure sum, but that's a story all in itself!

 

[Sapper520]

Nooooo ... that ain't right .... you need to breathe out!!!!

When I take a deep breath in I can fasten my trousers……that proves you lose weight.

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[L' Hobo]

You sure because when taking a deep breath in a swimming pool you float more breath out and you sink

but is that not because, when I breath in, I'm increasing the surface area, just like two ships of the same weight, the one with a larger hull, will ride higher in the water?