Recurrent Injector Issues with 2019 Transit Vans (2 Viewers)

[Dave1966]

Well here we go again. After the dreaded injectors problem that 2019 Transits were plagued with, we had Injector 1 fail and replaced under warranty by Ford in 2021. Mileage on van about 3000. Picked up from dealer, on the way home, suddenly no power, kangarooing etc. Absolute nightmare getting the van back to the dealer, through a city with the van going into to limp mode at each stop for traffic, signals etc.

Injectors 2, 3 and 4 replaced under warranty. After this no problems - until the weekend. Took the van out, limp mode, juddering at engine speeds between 1500 and 3000 RPM. Managed to get home by driving in manual and keeping the revs high enough.

Used my professional diagnostics kit, looks like Injector 1 has failed again. Ford say not under any warranty, Injectors only have 12 month warranty, despite acknowledgement that there was a major problem with Injectors on this series of van - but all should be OK as the replacements fitted would have been of a different design! Ford can't fit the van in until June 14th. Getting fed up with this now, is this something I will have to expect every couple of years? Really has dented my confidence in the Transit base now.

 

[pappajohn]

If it's out of warranty go to an injector specialist and have them checked and cleaned/reset.
A lot cheaper than ford main dealers

 

[Derbyshire wanderer]

If they are the new ones then yes I also would be doubtful about a repeated failure at such a low mileage.
The loom will have had some movement during the replacement and I would be looking for a fault there first.
As pappajohn said, if it’s your money paying for the repairs, get a specialist involved as it will be a lottery to get a Ford technician to actually know what they are looking for especially if the computer says……………..

 

[Sandancers]

If they are the new ones then yes I also would be doubtful about a repeated failure at such a low mileage.
The loom will have had some movement during the replacement and I would be looking for a fault there first.
As pappajohn said, if it’s your money paying for the repairs, get a specialist involved as it will be a lottery to get a Ford technician to actually know what they are looking for especially if the computer says……………..

I think the OP is indicating that it is injector 1 which was replaced in 2021 which has gone faulty, which was 3000 miles ago. And Ford will not replace it under warranty.

It would probably be as cheap / expensive to just get Ford to put a new injector in as to get the old one removed and sent off for refurbishment.

 

[Aly1]

Mine is a 68 plate so not one of the ones affected with faulty injectors but I have had all 4 replaced due to corrosion from water ingress. Maybe your new injector has corroded due to Fords allowing rainwater in?

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[Derbyshire wanderer]

I think the OP is indicating that it is injector 1 which was replaced in 2021 which has gone faulty, which was 3000 miles ago. And Ford will not replace it under warranty.

It would probably be as cheap / expensive to just get Ford to put a new injector in as to get the old one removed and sent off for refurbishment.

I read it as them being changed (all) in 2021 and therefore should be the revised ones. Mileage comment unclear if 3000 miles then or now but either way they haven’t done enough mileage to be likely to repeat fail as updated injectors.
Reference cost, if paying dealer prices I still think a specialist would be better value for money and skills and they would still be able to supply new as they aren’t a Ford manufactured part.

 

[Sandancers]

Mine is a 68 plate so not one of the ones affected with faulty injectors but I have had all 4 replaced due to corrosion from water ingress. Maybe your new injector has corroded due to Fords allowing rainwater in?

There are a couple of guys producing stainless steel trays which fit above your engine on your model to prevent the water ingress to the injectors. But apparently the corrosion does not cause the injector to go faulty, just makes it damn hard to remove come the time.

 

[gus-lopez]

just remember that if using a specialist each injector still has to be coded to the ecu after fitting

 

[Dave1966]

Thanks to everyone for the replies, I will be going to Ford as the service manager said afterwards that Warranty MIGHT be a consideration. To clarify, the Van has done about 4000 miles since all the injectors were replaced. Wish I could do the coding to the ECU myself, that's where Ford make the money I guess.....
For info, should it be necessary to replace all 4 again (gulp) and not under warranty, Ford have said £1500 approximately.

 

[Aly1]

There are a couple of guys producing stainless steel trays which fit above your engine on your model to prevent the water ingress to the injectors. But apparently the corrosion does not cause the injector to go faulty, just makes it damn hard to remove come the time.

I have the Rob Drew tray and various other modifications to prevent water ingress now. The amount of rain water the Rob Drew tray collects and drains is massive!
One of my fuel injectors sheared off due to corrosion. I had to be taken to a garage on a flat bed truck as it was leaking diesel.
I had to have that injector drilled out and as the other injectors showed some corrosion I got them changed as well.

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[Aly1]

Thanks to everyone for the replies, I will be going to Ford as the service manager said afterwards that Warranty MIGHT be a consideration. To clarify, the Van has done about 4000 miles since all the injectors were replaced. Wish I could do the coding to the ECU myself, that's where Ford make the money I guess.....
For info, should it be necessary to replace all 4 again (gulp) and not under warranty, Ford have said £1500 approximately.

I went to a fuel injector specialist. It cost me just under a £1000 for 3. The other one was more expensive due to them having to get someone in to drill it out.

 

[meanders]

For info, should it be necessary to replace all 4 again (gulp) and not under warranty, Ford have said £1500 approximately.

For further info, if that is the case, time to call Trading Standards, Watchdog or Rip Off Britain methinks. Otherwise a letter to Ms Lisa Brankin, Managing Director Lisa.Brankin@ford.com giving details and threatening the above.

 

[Sandancers]

Thanks to everyone for the replies, I will be going to Ford as the service manager said afterwards that Warranty MIGHT be a consideration. To clarify, the Van has done about 4000 miles since all the injectors were replaced. Wish I could do the coding to the ECU myself, that's where Ford make the money I guess.....
For info, should it be necessary to replace all 4 again (gulp) and not under warranty, Ford have said £1500 approximately.

You can code the injectors yourself. You need to download Forscan software, it's free. Buy the adapter lead that Forscan recommends, get the lead, not Bluetooth.

Then there is a section in Forscan to allow you to enter the injector code into the ECU. You will probably have to do the injector "learns" as well, which Forscan also handles.

 

[jezport]

Well here we go again. After the dreaded injectors problem that 2019 Transits were plagued with, we had Injector 1 fail and replaced under warranty by Ford in 2021. Mileage on van about 3000. Picked up from dealer, on the way home, suddenly no power, kangarooing etc. Absolute nightmare getting the van back to the dealer, through a city with the van going into to limp mode at each stop for traffic, signals etc.

Injectors 2, 3 and 4 replaced under warranty. After this no problems - until the weekend. Took the van out, limp mode, juddering at engine speeds between 1500 and 3000 RPM. Managed to get home by driving in manual and keeping the revs high enough.

Used my professional diagnostics kit, looks like Injector 1 has failed again. Ford say not under any warranty, Injectors only have 12 month warranty, despite acknowledgement that there was a major problem with Injectors on this series of van - but all should be OK as the replacements fitted would have been of a different design! Ford can't fit the van in until June 14th. Getting fed up with this now, is this something I will have to expect every couple of years? Really has dented my confidence in the Transit base now.

We had 4 in a 2006 transit. Have ford still not worked out how to build injectors yet?

 

[gus-lopez]

Wish I could do the coding to the ECU myself, that's where Ford make the money I guess.....

You can

You can code the injectors yourself. You need to download Forscan software, it's free. Buy the adapter lead that Forscan recommends, get the lead, not Bluetooth.

Then there is a section in Forscan to allow you to enter the injector code into the ECU. You will probably have to do the injector "learns" as well, which Forscan also handles.

This is how you do it^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
also worth looking at the Ford Transit forum for pointers & assistancehttps://fordtransit.org/forum/

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[Dave1966]

Update, injector 1 replaced by Ford under warranty, thankfully. Asked for an explanation, was told that the problem was due to the long time that the base vehicles spend sitting around between being manufactured and then converted. I then said that this could be understandable if this was the first time the injector had been replaced but this was the second time. Was then told that I need to be driving more to stop this from happening as the injector tips corrode if not used enough. Haven't managed to find any mechanic who supports this statement. Also was told that fuel additives can cause this problem. BS in my opinion.

 

[Stoosal]

Depending on build date there was a software update which closed an air valve that allowed air (condensation) into the engine and allegedly increased risk of injector tip corrosion. If vehicle used daily etc it wasn’t an issue but, for vehicles that sit around for long periods becomes problematic. I think it was listed as a ‘field service action’ along with updating the oil monitoring software which dealers would do at a service etc. My understanding from local garage is that a field service action will probably not be advised to owners but will be carried out by dealers as they go in for servicing etc. If you use an independent garage it will probably not get done.

 

[Dave1966]

Depending on build date there was a software update which closed an air valve that allowed air (condensation) into the engine and allegedly increased risk of injector tip corrosion. If vehicle used daily etc it wasn’t an issue but, for vehicles that sit around for long periods becomes problematic. I think it was listed as a ‘field service action’ along with updating the oil monitoring software which dealers would do at a service etc. My understanding from local garage is that a field service action will probably not be advised to owners but will be carried out by dealers as they go in for servicing etc. If you use an independent garage it will probably not get done.

Very interesting Stoosal, will ask when I next go into the Ford dealer (which probably won't be too far away!)

 

[callbeth]

just had same issue injectors were done under recall van had done 2k. i have only done 3.5k and van has went back into limp mode on returning to garage same issue all 4 injectors have failed now not under waranty cost £1600 + vat.
Will definetly not be going down the road of ford again.

 

[CazPaul]

just had same issue injectors were done under recall van had done 2k. i have only done 3.5k and van has went back into limp mode on returning to garage same issue all 4 injectors have failed now not under waranty cost £1600 + vat.
Will definetly not be going down the road of ford again.

Is that 3.5k total or 3.5 on the new injectors?

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[Dave1966]

just had same issue injectors were done under recall van had done 2k. i have only done 3.5k and van has went back into limp mode on returning to garage same issue all 4 injectors have failed now not under waranty cost £1600 + vat.
Will definetly not be going down the road of ford again.

I'm the same callbeth, would NEVER consider a Ford again. Trouble is the layout we have suits us perfectly so unless I can transplant it onto a Fiat or Merc chassis, I'm stuck. Wonder if Ford are even interested any more, they have our money so job done as far as they are concerned. Plus they make an extra 1000+ quid every few thousand miles.

 

[Richard n Ann]

I've noticed you don't see many Ford cars any more, at one time every other car was a focus or mondeo, now I wouldn't know one.
Popular cars now are all German or Korean. Lost their way same as vauxhall

 

[TSD1623]

I have the Rob Drew tray and various other modifications to prevent water ingress now. The amount of rain water the Rob Drew tray collects and drains is massive!
One of my fuel injectors sheared off due to corrosion. I had to be taken to a garage on a flat bed truck as it was leaking diesel.
I had to have that injector drilled out and as the other injectors showed some corrosion I got them changed as well.

A bit late here, but what is a Rob Drew tray? Thanks.

 

[Aly1]

A bit late here, but what is a Rob Drew tray? Thanks.

It’s a tray that sits on top of the engine and diverts the ingressing rainwater away from the fuel injectors

 

[Telrose]

Well here we go again. After the dreaded injectors problem that 2019 Transits were plagued with, we had Injector 1 fail and replaced under warranty by Ford in 2021. Mileage on van about 3000. Picked up from dealer, on the way home, suddenly no power, kangarooing etc. Absolute nightmare getting the van back to the dealer, through a city with the van going into to limp mode at each stop for traffic, signals etc.

Injectors 2, 3 and 4 replaced under warranty. After this no problems - until the weekend. Took the van out, limp mode, juddering at engine speeds between 1500 and 3000 RPM. Managed to get home by driving in manual and keeping the revs high enough.

Used my professional diagnostics kit, looks like Injector 1 has failed again. Ford say not under any warranty, Injectors only have 12 month warranty, despite acknowledgement that there was a major problem with Injectors on this series of van - but all should be OK as the replacements fitted would have been of a different design! Ford can't fit the van in until June 14th. Getting fed up with this now, is this something I will have to expect every couple of years? Really has dented my confidence in the Transit base now.

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[Telrose]

I had a2017 transit with Chausson body had an injector go on m6 on way to holiday the AA came and changed the faulty injector then on the way home another one whent do managed to get home the had all 4changed on warranty then sold the van problem solved

 

[Huw s]

Had one fail on our 2.2 engine 2013 Transit last year, went into limp mode on the way home from Birmingham to West Wales. Diagnostic said no1, changed it, all good. Except, it still wasn't starting cleanly when hot. Yesterday it failed catastophically - missfire, power loss, engine runaway, the lot. No MIL light at first...
Had to get relayed home from Brecon. Engine out this week, will see what's worth fixing in it, but either way one piston, maybe liner? plus a look at the bottom end etc
Only 38k miles...
Ford? never again.

 

[Sandancers]

Had one fail on our 2.2 engine 2013 Transit last year, went into limp mode on the way home from Birmingham to West Wales. Diagnostic said no1, changed it, all good. Except, it still wasn't starting cleanly when hot. Yesterday it failed catastophically - missfire, power loss, engine runaway, the lot. No MIL light at first...
Had to get relayed home from Brecon. Engine out this week, will see what's worth fixing in it, but either way one piston, maybe liner? plus a look at the bottom end etc
Only 38k miles...
Ford? never again.

Is engine runaway not when the turbo fails ?

 

[jockaneezer]

"Engine runaway" can be caused by various things, but it generally means the engine starts using its it's own oil as a fuel.
A badly leaking injector will drain into the sump, increasing the oil level until it "overflows" or somehow finds its way into the cylinders via valve guides, turbo or simply being forced past the piston's rings and into the combustion zone. Only way to stop it is to block off the air supply to the engine by jamming your coat or something into the air intake, but who wants to be anywhere near an angry engine that's over revving to the point of destruction !

 

[pappajohn]

the injector tips corrode

So deisel is good at corroding steel...... I would never had guessed.
Absolute bullsh!t.

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