Read my review on Trust pilot regarding Swift.

[stewartwebr]

I know a multimillionaire and she’s as tight as a gnats chuff as well.
Morrisons potatoes are awful I see but their frozen chips are nice

https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/fish-and-chips.317101/post-6510823

I’m not sure of my friends and families wealth as I was always taught it was crass and vulgar to speak of such things. Those who do were viewed to be in the class who bought their own furniture as my Grandmother would say!

 

[DandJ]

I don't quite understand why there are multiple reviews on the matter? One (April 23?) review praises Lowdhams and as I frequently read on here and elsewhere...a dealership is only as good as how it deals with issues....and it appears that Lowdhams dealt with all the issues as you sold the van on for what I'd say was a reasonable amount c £80k. I've often read that you drop the vat off the purchase price for an idea of a 2nd hand selling price...plus age/mileage/wear and tear factors.
Sometimes, you're just better off cutting your losses and putting things down to experience...the stress and hassle of doing otherwise can be counterproductive (I won my case but my mental health is poor..type thing)

Each to their own.

 

[eddie]

Where is the legal connection between the multi millionaire and Swift?

 

[Mikey RV]

My grandson wanted a cowboy outfit for Xmas so I bought him the swift factory.

 

[jongood]

Where is the legal connection between the multi millionaire and Swift?

Im not really getting this either. There are exceptions but a person doesn't usually become wealthy by accident, its normally by being very able, skilful, resourceful etc. It wouldn't take very much research to discover that Swift are selling volume not quality, so why wouldn't they just exercise their ability to choose something that logic suggests is more likely to fulfill expectations.

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[CazPaul]

On the contrary, if you can prove loss irrespective of the vendor repairing said issues, under British consumer law, both recompense for loss and compensation is payable. Case law may be referred to in such circumstances. There exists many cases in case law!

Good luck with it, it’s a big risk as you know with the potential not to go the way you want.

 

[CazPaul]

Im not really getting this either. There are exceptions but a person doesn't usually become wealthy by accident, its normally by being very able, skilful, resourceful etc. It wouldn't take very much research to discover that Swift are selling volume not quality, so why wouldn't they just exercise their ability to choose something that logic suggests is more likely to fulfill expectations.

But most people who buy Swift won’t know about the issues, they will just see a shiny van on a forecourt dealership etc and the dream then starts

 

[Outdoors Dad]

Before I bought my motorhome I researched what brands and models had a good reputation and swift was clearly suspect. Having said that we have some friends who have owned many many MH's and still bought a 3 year old kontiki and love it.

 

[Sandancers]

I remember when I worked for a big nationalised company, a small company which had lost a contract with us threatened to take us to Court. One of our legal guys took the owner of the small company aside and just said, "How many lawyers have you got ? Because we have loads." End of story.

 

[BrochMike]

a person doesn't usually become wealthy by accident, its normally by being very able, skilful, resourceful etc

The millionaires I know never flaunt their wealth. On the contrary, they are extremely tight-fisted and get pumped-up by chasing the last penny.

We always raise a toast to a friend who died prematurely, having never once bought a round on our nights out. His estate had an unexpectedly huge inheritance tax bill to pay...

Ah well, people are entitled to their fun.

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[BrochMike]

I remember when I worked for a big nationalised company, a small company which had lost a contract with us threatened to take us to Court. One of our legal guys took the owner of the small company aside and just said, "How many lawyers have you got ? Because we have loads." End of story.

Maybe not 'justice', but at least it denied the lawyers a big payout!

 

[jongood]

The millionaires I know never flaunt their wealth. On the contrary, they are extremely tight-fisted and get pumped-up by chasing the last penny.

We always raise a toast to a friend who died prematurely, having never once bought a round on our nights out. His estate had an unexpectedly huge inheritance tax bill to pay...

Ah well, people are entitled to their fun.

The Op doesn't seem particularly shy about it, putting it on a public review site.

 

[chaser]

Looking at from here I would say you have too much money and too much time on your hands.

 

[zac]

Good on him as it's about time someone stood up to them that can afford it, how many people have had subpar service from Dealers and just accept it as it's just too much hassle and would lose too much money if they fought. Always reading about issues with build quality and being pushed from one to another. Doubt it will help others in the long run but if you can and it's justified then why not.

 

[Stonemags76]

I think the fact that he OP can afford to take Swift to court is a good thing, & is standing up for all those people that can’t afford it, but have also lost their dream! That’s why manufacturers get away with it - normally folks just don’t have the time or the money! Good luck!

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[Zoshee]

Interesting. We've got a Kontiki 784. Biggest issue we've had is the awful kitchen being wonky, creased front blind and of course the fresh water pipe/tank which has gone 2-3 times now. The biggest issue for us was the slick dealer sales pitch and then the absolutely woeful aftercare support. I do love the van though and the layout despite all this.

I don't care if you're a millionaire or not, good luck. I probably wouldn't have mentioned it personally, it makes no odds either way.

 

[Outdoors Dad]

Whilst sueing Swift you could still buy a low mileage mint older German or similar van and enjoy motorhoming. You could ask that Simon select for a good used van he wouldn't sell you a lemon!

 

[our poppy llll]

I suspect you'll just be a millionaire after the costs of chasing revenge

After 45 years of going to court and both defending and assisting claims, I’m pretty certain of my ability to win and have the defendant pay costs, worry ye not.

 

[Jenka]

After 45 years of going to court and both defending and assisting claims, I’m pretty certain of my ability to win and have the defendant pay costs, worry ye not.

Isn't your contract with the dealer so should you not take them to court? Ps I'm not a millionaire so it would have to be legal aid fir me

 

[jerryz]

I take private parking firms and clowncils to court for fun sometimes , and as yet have never lost a case , They rely on bully boy tactics rather than real facts and actual law ,,, so are often sloppy and a proper legal aregument backed by facts and real law defeats them everytime ,,,,Most people are scared and pay up due to the threats and ignorance of the actual process .
Civil cases are a bit more of a lottery i have won 2 , one against a solicitor and one against an insurer but it was attimes traumatic , complex , but ultimately very good for me ...

Currently i am pursuing an unusual problem and may be suing the police and the magistrates courts over a misinterpretation of a law , which it seems they made a judgement in error , My lawyer is also of the same opinion , he changed his mind . Thats if i can get all the factual and written evidence required which is the problem ,,, The outcome is not , they actually got the law completely wrong by making an assumption that is factually not true ,,,,,

Stuck at home unwell ,, cant ride the bikes or drive so this is a project

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[Brains]

I understand the frustration the OP must be feeling but as a “multimillionaire” is it really worth the grief and aggravation?

I'm richer than Elon Musk!
(in Zimbabwean Dollars)

 

[Beltie]

Where is the legal connection between the multi millionaire and Swift?

Yes I was thinking that, surely his contract is with Lowdhams and that is where his action should be directed. They or he may wish to enjoin Swift in the action, although I think in the case of the former, that would be vanishingly unlikley.

 

[Brains]

I remember when I worked for a big nationalised company, a small company which had lost a contract with us threatened to take us to Court. One of our legal guys took the owner of the small company aside and just said, "How many lawyers have you got ? Because we have loads." End of story.

I've been on both sides of this issue more than once.
It's standard procedure.

As any litigant will tell you once lawyers are involved, there will be two winners in any case, your lawyer and my lawyer.
There will also be two losers, one may loose more than the other.

The Courts are there as the final option when the sides have been unable to compromise outside the court.
I would start by talking to a lawyer who is interested in using Arbitration to recover your expenses and maybe a bit of compo.

To get "your day in court", you may well win, but the cost you could be considerable. A Pyrrhic Victory.

Judges do not like having their time 'wasted' by people bringing cases to court that should have been resolved by Arbitration.

As an FYI:
Most (all ??) Arbitration agreements have a NDA clause.
So even if you win costs plus compo neither side can disclose the settlement.

The recent Arbitration settlement between the Sun and Prince Harry where Prince Harry must have won double figure millions (nearly all of which will go to pay his lawyers) the lead Lawyer gave a statement which sailed as close to the legal wind as he could get.

The Sun backed down at the very last moment as it was obvious they were going to loose, but each side wanted to grind the other down in court, and the Judges were not happy to referee a legal bunfight.

 

[jollyrodger]

Some hilarious reviews that you've posted...from a £96k motorhome to a bag of Morrisons potatoes.

With black bits at no extra charge

 

[Astranomicalblue]

I'm richer than Elon Musk!
(in Zimbabwean Dollars)

Reminds me off that old Harry Enfield sketch, “I’m considerably richer than yow “

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[Steve N Tracy]

I'm richer than Elon Musk!
(in Zimbabwean Dollars)

Me too

 

[Googlebot]

If I were going to court, with very expensive legal bills that I might lose if it goes wrong, I wouldn’t be posting it on an open forum for the defence to gather up and discredit you.

I do wish you luck, it’s an option not open to many who can’t afford the solicitors.

 

[our poppy llll]

Yes I was thinking that, surely his contract is with Lowdhams and that is where his action should be directed. They or he may wish to enjoin Swift in the action, although I think in the case of the former, that would be vanishingly unlikley.

That is where many go wrong, Lowdhams are a sales agent, they are not liable for the goods produced, I will be suing Swift for the manufacture and supply of faulty goods. The resulting publicity will not be subject to a non disclosure clause, I will be seeking loss and costs, and will give Lowdhams to opportunity to settle on behalf of Swift prior the court date, I will give Swift the same opportunity to settle.
Once they refuse I will put all the facts of the case to the judge and I would love to see how Swift will give an explanation of the faulty equipment. If they blame their suppliers, it still falls on the remit of the manufacturers Swift. If they blame Lowdhams, they will still have to explain how Swift accepted the warranty claims and provided replacement goods.
They leave themselves wide open for the provision of faulty goods in the first instance and therefore become liable for the failure to supply goods fit for use.. as a consequence the liability is theirs and they caused the loss.
In court all you have to do is provide proof of loss and I have sufficient evidence of loss.

 

[DandJ]

I strongly suspect that a bunch of solicitors will be rubbing their hands together at this whole thing and the outcome will be very interesting. I'd echo what someone else has said....I'd stop talking about it on an open forum, that no doubt staff from both Swift and Lowdhams look at.

 

[our poppy llll]

Some hilarious reviews that you've posted...from a £96k motorhome to a bag of Morrisons potatoes.

That’s because I like giving reviews on stuff, it helps others decide. Plus as is the point of this site it can be fun, that’s the point. Having a laugh and having fun while helping others get a good picture.

I’ve ordered a V-line Sport 635. Brand new 1.4 bhp auto with lots of extras. Because I like it, I’ve asked for reviews and found very few. So I’m hoping it’s not a bag like the Swift turned out to be..

By the way, I took the potatoes back to Morrisons along with the opinions, they refunded double the value of the potato’s and 5 packs of onions, I also got a Credit to my Morrisons card for the black meat I took back.

I am a few pounds up! Whoo hooo it’s great being a pain in the rear.

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