Problem - the awning carrier has become detached.

[LostinWales]

Hi All,
last outing, the roll out awning back froame moulding has become detached at the front end on our AT Scout 2006, , as per the attached pictures.
1. I cant easily see how to remove the awning and mechanism - clues please
2. I can't see what make this is, can anyone assist working out make and model?
3. I cant see any obvious fixings to the van side in the gap that has opened up!

Any pointers on how to dismount and repair would be very very helpful!!

Thanks
Jim

 

[gus-lopez]

No attached pictures?

 

[LostinWales]

No attached pictures?

oops!! Done now thanks

 

[gus-lopez]

I'd look on the inside to see whether fixings are supposed to come right through?

 

[LostinWales]

No attached pictures?

I'd look on the inside to see whether fixings are supposed to come right through?

Thats just it - cant see any.
I would like to remove the awning mechainism, then peel away the backing moulding frame, which is stuck with sealant/mastic. This is what has given way. I will post another pic showing the box in the van side panel

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[PP Bear]

I have the Dakota, so basically the same van and looks to be same age etc. Defo same awning, with the mounts in the front cupboard and the cupboard in the bathroom on mine.

Watching with interest and hope it’s not too much of a hassle.

 

[LostinWales]

Oh Bolleaux..... The whole bracket has been ripped out. I will have to make a larger backing plate, and fill in the insulayion with squirty
foam before mastic/sealing the mould frame back in.
This has not turned out well.

 

[Lenny HB]

Wondering if you have water ingress problem and the fixings have pulled through soft timber.

 

[LostinWales]

Wondering if you have water ingress problem and the fixings have pulled through soft timber.

We are about to find out., but the area feels dry. Damp meter will be applied when all removed.

 

[Swifter]

Wondering if you have water ingress problem and the fixings have pulled through soft timber.

The top right nut and bolt look rusty . I hope it’s not damp .

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[LostinWales]

The top right nut and bolt look rusty . I hope it’s not damp .

Yep, I will have to rebuild the whole area. Will keep a record of the repair for the unfortunates that follow me with this failure.

 

[LostinWales]

Just going into the garage to seek out a big bit of stainless sheet......

 

[Just smiffy]

Just going into the garage to seek out a big bit of stainless sheet......

I feel for you….Hope you get it fixed, I’d be going in the garage to get a box of matches…..

 

[Lenny HB]

I feel for you….Hope you get it fixed, I’d be going in the garage to get a box of matches…..

Never going to burn with all that damp.

 

[PP Bear]

Bugger, all I can say is that it rhymes with clucking bell

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[Swifter]

Good luck . Luckily you appear to have found the problem early enough . If this had been left over winter I can imagine the damp could have been horrific .

 

[PP Bear]

Good luck . Luckily you appear to have found the problem early enough . If this had been left over winter I can imagine the damp could have been horrific .

Or ripped off completely and left on the side of a road, eek

 

[iain26]

2014 Dakota -we need a new awning due to hail damage and the insurance have agreed to pay.
We are booked into the AT factory to have this done as the normal Dealer we went to found they couldn’t do it.
The awning itself is fixed to the moulding on the floor in the factory. It is then the moulding which is fixed to the van being bolted though and glued!
You apparently cannot get the awning off without taking the moulding off first.

Not sure if they did things this way in 2006 but it looks similar to ours.

 

[PP Bear]

2014 Dakota -we need a new awning due to hail damage and the insurance have agreed to pay.
We are booked into the AT factory to have this done as the normal Dealer we went to found they couldn’t do it.
The awning itself is fixed to the moulding on the floor in the factory. It is then the moulding which is fixed to the van being bolted though and glued!
You apparently cannot get the awning off without taking the moulding off first.

Not sure if they did things this way in 2006 but it looks similar to ours.

They were built proper back in thems days, they were and none of this moulding glue malarkey.

Got a 2006 Dakota, excellent bit of kit

 

[LostinWales]

Or ripped off completely and left on the side of a road, eek

Very nearly.....

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[LostinWales]

2014 Dakota -we need a new awning due to hail damage and the insurance have agreed to pay.
We are booked into the AT factory to have this done as the normal Dealer we went to found they couldn’t do it.
The awning itself is fixed to the moulding on the floor in the factory. It is then the moulding which is fixed to the van being bolted though and glued!
You apparently cannot get the awning off without taking the moulding off first.

Not sure if they did things this way in 2006 but it looks similar to ours.

I would hazard a guess that you may be right. We shall see when my muscle arrives to wrestle the whole shooting match to the floor this evening

 

[Lenny HB]

I would hazard a guess that you may be right. We shall see when my muscle arrives to wrestle the whole shooting match to the floor this evening

Good luck.

 

[LostinWales]

Good luck.

Thanks. We have got the awning mech down, and sliced through the nearly knackered top bead of mastic, but the lower edge mastic is fighting us every inch. Got to the aft of the door frame, but its dark now.
Back on it tomorrow morning.

 

[Captain Yoghurtpot]

Thanks. We have got the awning mech down, and sliced through the nearly knackered top bead of mastic, but the lower edge mastic is fighting us every inch. Got to the aft of the door frame, but its dark now.
Back on it tomorrow morning.

Wishing you seriously good luck and its not a damp problem, or if it is, it is only minor and you have caught it early.

 

[LostinWales]

Wishing you seriously good luck and its not a damp problem, or if it is, it is only minor and you have caught it early.

My biggest problem is.....

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[LostinWales]

Well, what a twat that was!! It took nearly 4 hours to get the mastic separated to remove the moulding frame. Carefully using a flexible Stanley blade to saw through and keeping the joint under tension with a big piece of play, moving it as it gave way.
The top mastic was easy to get off, which is a worry....
Fortunately, the inside of the moulding frame on the van side is fibre glassed (very thinly) onto the veneer back surface of the van wall. Therefore there is only 3mm of plywood and a bit of decorative paper holding the awning inside bracket. No wonder it gave way - no support from the main wall thickness at all.
My stainless reinforcing plate will take care of that, and I will replicate it at the rear end fixing too. The ABS trim cover on the inside is big enough to hide all of this.
Next job is to put some woven fibre glass mat over the damaged area and brush resin into the area. There are a couple of small areas where the resin came away from the recess exposing the wood frame in the main van wall sie sandwich, but it is all solid luckily.
The next twat of a job is to remove all the mastic sealant from the moulding itself, which will probably take all weekend as there is just over 8 metres of beaded sealant to get off. The van wall panel has virtually no mastic stuck to it, so I just need to clean it off, touch up a couple of areas where the Stanley blade scuffed the paint, but it is all superficial and wont be seen.

Next I will send an email to Auto Trail support asking for the mastic spec, as I think it is the right thing to use again, survived quite well for 16 years.

We have a Westfield 400 inflatable awning that hangs off the beading rail on the current mechanism, I am wondering if I should attach a length of Kedor C section fixed rail just under the wind out awning, as I can fix it a lot more frequently to the van side wall? Anyone done this?

 

[AndyPK]

I fixed a length of C-section to the actual awning underside - it makes it easier to thread anything through it if the wind-out is wound out a little…….

 

[gus-lopez]

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I'm amazed that anyone thought that was a good way to affix it ? amazed it has lasted 16 years, must have been the mastic

 

[LostinWales]

I fixed a length of C-section to the actual awning underside - it makes it easier to thread anything through it if the wind-out is wound out a little…….

We already have a bead rail built into the wind out awning, just trying to spread the load out more

 

[TheBig1]

As it sounds like you know what you are doing, I would repair the torn fibreglass and bond on a sheet of stainless to take the structural weight, as well as oversized stainless plates inside. Then bond the fibreglass frame back in with a few tubes of Sikaflex rather than mastic. That should keep it watertight and stronger than when it left the factory

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