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[The Wino]

Its not exactly free trade with China. Because all businesses are in effect controlled by the state they can afford massive subsidies in areas that they consider important and keep them going until the alternatives have to give up and then as sole supplier they can charge what they like. The Steel saga was an example of this. Likewise our manufacturers are between a rock and a hard place, if they don't let China make their goods, the chinese will just copy them and sell something pretty similar at a fraction of the price. The west are sleepwalking into this.

We've been sleepwalking into it for years. Why in France ATM can I see lots of French manufactured cars and none in the UK?

 

[Ditcha]

Victron ? Designed in the Netherlands but built in China?

Most of victron kit is made in India

 

[Steve and Denise]

Its not exactly free trade with China. Because all businesses are in effect controlled by the state they can afford massive subsidies in areas that they consider important and keep them going until the alternatives have to give up and then as sole supplier they can charge what they like. The Steel saga was an example of this. Likewise our manufacturers are between a rock and a hard place, if they don't let China make their goods, the chinese will just copy them and sell something pretty similar at a fraction of the price. The west are sleepwalking into this.

Back when we had our business manufacturing mechanical Rodeo Bulls, part of our main policy was MADE IN LINCONSHIRE ENGLAND and all of our products had this information printed in a prominent place
That was 20 years ago, the company is still running but now under a new owner

https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Rodeo/G-S-Engineering-Ltd-Rodeo-Bulls-Manufacturers-148100135243790/

 

[Jim]

"made up" stories of side effects with the az vaccination

The Ox-AZ jab wasn't quite quasi-ineffective though, was it . The most pessimistic estimates say it saved 6.5 million lives in the first year with 2 billion doses sent at cost to under-developed countries.

 

[jongood]

The easiest way to explain the dynamics of debtbook diplomacy is to walk through what has become the case study example. The construction and transfer of Sri Lanka’s Magampura Mahinda Rajapaksa Port in Hambantota serve as a template both to understand the financial dynamics of these deals and to identify potential future “Hambantotas” that could be leveraged by China. China stepped into Hambantota in 2007, during the final years of a brutal Sri Lankan civil war that cut the country off from diplomatic allies and financiers. Sri Lanka had reached out to Japan, India, the IMF, the World Bank, and the Asia Development Bank to fund the construction of a major port in the undeveloped backwater of Hambantota (the hometown of President Rajapaksa), but was denied funding amidst concerns about human rights and commercial viability.17 China then offered to provide the funding, not as foreign direct investment, but as a Sri Lankan project financed by Chinese loans and built by a Chinese company—with Sri Lanka’s government on the hook for the project’s debt obligations.18 The original price tag was only $361 million in near-market-rate loans, but the port’s failure to generate revenue after opening in 2010 trapped Sri Lanka into seeking additional funding in the hopes of achieving commercial viability.19 From 2009-2014, Sri Lanka tapped China for an additional $1.9 billion in loans to upgrade the port and build a nearby airport (now infamous as “the world’s emptiest”) and economic zone.20 The port has still yet to generate a profit.21 By 2017, with Sri Lanka owing more than $8 billion to Chinese-controlled firms, the Sri Lankan government handed over the port to China on a 99-year lease, granting a Chinese-led joint venture an 85 percent stake in an opaque and contentious deal valued at $1.1 billion.22 Sri Lanka’s parliament also granted the joint venture tax concessions for further development of the port.23 The port had become a debt trap. Once Sri Lanka made the initial commitment, the sunk cost and need to generate profit to pay off the original loans drove it to take out additional loans, a cycle that repeated itself until it gave up the port in a debt-for-equity swap.

Full article here

https://www.belfercenter.org/sites/default/files/files/publication/Debtbook%20Diplomacy%20PDF.pdf

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[Pausim]

And Prismatic is more compact and has less connections to go wrong. I think prismatic is a better solution for leisure batteries.

When I researched buying my LiFePO4 battery in 2017 I opted for cylindrical cells and so far have no regrets whatsoever. The deciding factor was that if you have four big prismatic cells in series and one fails the whole battery goes down. In my 100Ah Relion there are 20 rows of 4 cells and if one cell fails it would take out only 1 row of 5 Ah, leaving 95Ah functioning. Yes there are more connections than in a prismatic battery but if one of the connections fails or a cell fails the consequences are very much reduced. Prismatic is a bit like putting all your eggs in one basket.

 

[JockandRita]

2 x 100ah Lithium Iron phosphate Ultramax will cost you £775.96 with eBay discount code ( HOT10)
Order the 2 separately to get the full discount

For anyone interested, the discount code has expired.

Jock.

 

[Swifter]

For anyone interested, the discount code has expired.

Jock.

There will be a new code soon I expect . I think there is still a discount if you buy 2 .

 

[VXman]

Does it matter if these are made in China or not many goods we buy even the good quality kit is.

Well, that is a moral question I suppose and depends on what you think about government and human rights in China. Also a security question if you look at the difficulties the world is facing by relying on Russia for gas.

 

[Raul]

When I researched buying my LiFePO4 battery in 2017 I opted for cylindrical cells and so far have no regrets whatsoever. The deciding factor was that if you have four big prismatic cells in series and one fails the whole battery goes down. In my 100Ah Relion there are 20 rows of 4 cells and if one cell fails it would take out only 1 row of 5 Ah, leaving 95Ah functioning. Yes there are more connections than in a prismatic battery but if one of the connections fails or a cell fails the consequences are very much reduced. Prismatic is a bit like putting all your eggs in one basket.

There is another aspect. The prismatic will need a bit of compression, where cylindrical cells are better to tolerate bloating. Most large prismatic are a single cell if it’s from reputable manufacturer. Some cheaper prismatic cells are made up by several pouch cells. These ones are more prone to bulging on full charge, depending on the case is used.

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[dpsuk999]

I only bought 1 x 300ah but now realised I could have got the 460 ah in the same place, but 300 ah is probably enough as we have never run short as yet backed with 350w of solar and Denise uses as much as she wants ie kettle microwave tv and compressor cool box. If I was doing it again yes 460ah and another 175w of solar but would be a bit over the top for our use.

I currently have 2x300ah but for the same size can get 2x460ah. We’re there any discounts to have?

 

[Pausim]

If anyone is interested in what goes into a LiFePO4 battery with cylindrical cells (Relion) here is a link. I like the bit about bullet damage, perhaps handy if visiting a war zone or the USA.

https://s1.solacity.com/docs/RELiON/RELiON_Cell_Features_and_Design.pdf

 

[Steve and Denise]

I currently have 2x300ah but for the same size can get 2x460ah. We’re there any discounts to have?

Wow 920 ah is that for the electric fire Steve Kennedy is the man to talk to give him a call

 

[Steve and Denise]

For anyone interested, the discount code has expired.

Jock.

Are you buying lithium’s Jock ? And they said the £194 million lottery winner was staying anonymous

 

[JockandRita]

Are you buying lithium’s Jock ? And they said the £194 million lottery winner was staying anonymous

No Steve, not yet, but I like to keep up with news and advances re Lithium batteries.

I've got a few years left in these recently installed 4 x Varta LFD 90s, supported by my (Lithium ready)1260 B2B, and 360w of solar, via 2 x (Lithium ready) Votronic solar controllers.

Maybe when the price is right, ie, if/when we can afford the bu@@ers.

Cheers,

Jock.

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[The Wino]

The Ox-AZ jab wasn't quite quasi-ineffective though, was it . The most pessimistic estimates say it saved 6.5 million lives in the first year with 2 billion doses sent at cost to under-developed countries.

No but I don't subscribe the picking on us theories. In the case of side effects we were told repeatedly there was more evidence it turns out incorrectly despite there being evidence available. The truth is there is a small risk but a much bigger risk if you opt not to be vaccinated. It has been a great acheivement but the fact we've used several other vaccinations here in the UK tells you it's not a miracle cure.

 

[Coolcats]

Well, that is a moral question I suppose and depends on what you think about government and human rights in China. Also a security question if you look at the difficulties the world is facing by relying on Russia for gas.

If someone does not buy goods from China for ethical reasons of course that is their decision. But as so much comes from that region you probably wouldn’t be buying very many goods.

 

[Swifter]

I’ve managed to find one listing on eBay from the same seller for £419 . Ultramax 100ah non Bluetooth BMS. There is another brand of LI battery thats currently £379 on Amazon but since I am connecting them together I think I will stick with the Ultramax as I am happy with the performance and it’s best to stick with the same manufacturer.

Pardon our interruption...

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[Raul]

I’ve managed to find one listing on eBay from the same seller for £419 . Ultramax 100ah non Bluetooth BMS. There is another brand of LI battery thats currently £379 on Amazon but since I am connecting them together I think I will stick with the Ultramax as I am happy with the performance and it’s best to stick with the same manufacturer.

Pardon our interruption...

Amazon product ASIN B09KGXYDS4

And if you organise a group buy, you can get them down to £378 each. Min purchase 4 pc.

 

[Tombola]

and sell something pretty similar at a fraction of the price. The west are sleepwalking into this.

and why is that ?
Minimum/Living wage , costs of real estate here, property costs taxes....why do the big labour intensive companies go to china? and other places....... cost, driven by wages and such
no Im not having a go at the minimum wage but this is the reason, (or you could also call out lack of productivity speed here vs there)

the manufacturing factories in China are already suffering from worker wage rises...in some cases the worker "interviews" the company for a job, (in the case of ISO9001 companies anyway) SO lets hope it may turn full swing and some can come back.
as for debt book diplomacy I agree, but Sri Lank is one thing.

Finally, If you, I and anyone else bought UK made where possible the UK situation would be a whole lot better so yes I agree, but no not all of us do.

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[The Wino]

and why is that ?
Minimum/Living wage , costs of real estate here, property costs taxes....why do the big labour intensive companies go to china? and other places....... cost, driven by wages and such
no Im not having a go at the minimum wage but this is the reason, (or you could also call out lack of productivity speed here vs there)

the manufacturing factories in China are already suffering from worker wage rises...in some cases the worker "interviews" the company for a job, (in the case of ISO9001 companies anyway) SO lets hope it may turn full swing and some can come back.
as for debt book diplomacy I agree, but Sri Lank is one thing.

Finally, If you, I and anyone else bought UK made where possible the UK situation would be a whole lot better so yes I agree, but no not all of us do.

There's another thread about channel crossing prices . Despite everyone saying before they would never use p and o after the way they sacked all their workers to get cheap labour in a lot are now looking at them as an alternative. The only way to keep manufacturing in the UK is import duties otherwise manufacturing will go to countries paying wages that no-one in the UK could afford to live on. Once enough manufacturing goes service jobs will go the same way.

 

[jongood]

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and why is that ?
Minimum/Living wage , costs of real estate here, property costs taxes....why do the big labour intensive companies go to china? and other places....... cost, driven by wages and such
no Im not having a go at the minimum wage but this is the reason, (or you could also call out lack of productivity speed here vs there)

the manufacturing factories in China are already suffering from worker wage rises...in some cases the worker "interviews" the company for a job, (in the case of ISO9001 companies anyway) SO lets hope it may turn full swing and some can come back.
as for debt book diplomacy I agree, but Sri Lank is one thing.

Finally, If you, I and anyone else bought UK made where possible the UK situation would be a whole lot better so yes I agree, but no not all of us do.

The biggest issue for me is the utter dominance given to an authoritarian regime with a shocking human rights record. I accept that we cant make everything in UK but think we should be spreading the risk more, there are a lot of countries with cheaper costs but that also have an ethos more compatible with the west.

 

[The Wino]

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The biggest issue for me is the utter dominance given to an authoritarian regime with a shocking human rights record. I accept that we cant make everything in UK but think we should be spreading the risk more, there are a lot of countries with cheaper costs but that also have an ethos more compatible with the west.

That is one of the functions of tarrifs. Of course politically it's popular to say tariff free trade is a fantastic thing as everyone can see the benefit of paying less for things until the area they work in moves offshore and they're out of work.