Plating help

[Gazuk]

This question refers to a picture I'll put in the next post (its on my phone).

The picture is of a plate on a motorhome we're going to buy from a dealer. It was advertised as being plated to 4250kg. I saw this plate in the footwell on the pasenger side and assumed it meant, it has a maximum gross weight of 4500kg, total weight including towing 6000kg, maximum weight front axel 2100kg and maximum weight rear axel 2500kg.

Now I'm beginning to question my assumption as it was advertised at 4250kg. There is another metal plate next to it but i've only got half of it in the picture. My main concern is the rear axel weight as I want to put a scooter/motorbike in the garage so I did want the 2500kg rear axle.

They had another motorhome which was advertised at 3500kg, but the same looking plate in that passenger footwell said 3850kg, which if that is the MGW is a big mistake in their advertising as it means a C1 license is required. Which is why I'm now questioning my assumption.

Now lets see if I can get the photo attached.

 

[Gazuk]

Thank you all for your help and advice.

Spoke to the dealer this morning and thanks to your help I asked the right questions and understood the answers.

The converters (Carthago) plate was stuck to the COC so that's why I didn't see it. THe MGW is 4250kg with front axel 2100kg and rearl axel 2500kg The garage will take 350kg as it is also supported by the ALCO chassis.

Unfortunately the dealer was a little lacking in the knowelge of the affect of weight in the garage on the rear axel due to the overhang, but I have spoken to SV Tech and it is a thing and a 180kg bike in the garage will have more than a 180kg affect on the rear axel. Might just have to take a punt on this, load up and go to a weighbridge. But surely, if Carthago say the garage can take 350kg the vehicle should be able to take that? Obviously we'd empty the water tanks and be careful what elase we load at the rear.

But I am quite excited now, cos instead of a scooter I may be able to take a Honda Hornet 600cc. Didn't think I'd be abe to take a 'proper' bike.

 

[SandraL]

Motorhome Axle Load Calculation Form : Online Axle Load Calculation : Watling Engineers UK

www.watling-towbars.co.uk

This might help ?

 

[Lenny HB]

But surely, if Carthago say the garage can take 350kg the vehicle should be able to take that?

All that means is the garage flood can take 350kg without damage.
The amount of weight carried in the garage depends on the load distribution throughout the vehicle.

 

[gus-lopez]

But surely, if Carthago say the garage can take 350kg the vehicle should be able to take that?

As Lenny stated the garage can take 350kgs. Whether you can drive it loaded at that isn't there problem.

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[BouncyBoatFolk]

Thank you all for your help and advice.

Spoke to the dealer this morning and thanks to your help I asked the right questions and understood the answers.

The converters (Carthago) plate was stuck to the COC so that's why I didn't see it. THe MGW is 4250kg with front axel 2100kg and rearl axel 2500kg The garage will take 350kg as it is also supported by the ALCO chassis.

Unfortunately the dealer was a little lacking in the knowelge of the affect of weight in the garage on the rear axel due to the overhang, but I have spoken to SV Tech and it is a thing and a 180kg bike in the garage will have more than a 180kg affect on the rear axel. Might just have to take a punt on this, load up and go to a weighbridge. But surely, if Carthago say the garage can take 350kg the vehicle should be able to take that? Obviously we'd empty the water tanks and be careful what elase we load at the rear.

But I am quite excited now, cos instead of a scooter I may be able to take a Honda Hornet 600cc. Didn't think I'd be abe to take a 'proper' bike.

As a compromise, we routinely travel with flexible plastic tubs of various kit that lives in the garage. Upon arrival it gets put back into the garage.
This has the effect of loading the front axle for travelling, and it's always difficult to bother the maximum payload for that one, plus, it makes the front end behave better, additionally, it removes weight from the rear axle/garage area, so win/win, except for a few minutes hassle moving stuff around. It works for us, but you'll arrive at what works for you in time.
Good luck with the purchase.
Mike.

 

[stevewagner]

Garage door is 112cm high. Gives me a few options. My first choice was KTM Duke 390. THat has a height (without mirrors) of 112cm, so it would be tight but thought I could comperss the forks a little or even deflate the front type. Failing that a a scooter, a pcx 125 sould it ok and possibly a honda sh300. And bizzarely, a Honda Hornet 600 might fit as well, but that will require me knowing what weights I can play with.

I'm sort of ok with motorbikes, but know bugger all about Motorhomes.

Don’t think you’ll get an SH300 in because of the height. We just about get a Honda Lead 110cc in with the screen and mirrors removed. This is fine as it still does 55 two up.

 

[Gazuk]

It will be a squeeze as the sh300 is 119cm high and i only have 112. But on a bike forum I'm on someone gets a sh300 into his 110 high garage by compressing the forks using rachet straps. I would reduce tyre pressure as well so wouldn't have to compress the forks as much.
But i still like the idea of the honda hornet

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

It will be a squeeze as the sh300 is 119cm high and i only have 112. But on a bike forum I'm on someone gets a sh300 into his 110 high garage by compressing the forks using rachet straps. I would reduce tyre pressure as well so wouldn't have to compress the forks as much.
But i still like the idea of the honda hornet

Or drop the forks through the stanchions, compressing the forks sometimes leads to the seals blowing when left like that for any length of time.
Using a ramp to load the bike has the effect of lower the overall height due to the angle of approach. As long as you have the additional headroom once inside the garage it should be OK.
Mike.

 

[Ditcha]

It will be a squeeze as the sh300 is 119cm high and i only have 112. But on a bike forum I'm on someone gets a sh300 into his 110 high garage by compressing the forks using rachet straps. I would reduce tyre pressure as well so wouldn't have to compress the forks as much.
But i still like the idea of the honda hornet

I can just fit our Aprilia Sportscity 300 in our garage using straps to compress the forks before loading its the same size garage as yours i also have to cut down the small front screen to fit

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[Gazuk]

Thanks for that, thats really useful. Not considered an Aprilla.

Looks like you load you scooter in backwards, which is something I think I will have to do due to the small beam going across te middle of the garage roof, which looks like you have as well.

Also, looking at your Motorhome details, your length is the same as mine (7.5 meters), so your garage will have the same overhang as mine. Have you weighed your motorhome with the scooter in? would be interested to know the weights, especially the rear axel load.

 

[Ditcha]

Thanks for that, thats really useful. Not considered an Aprilla.

Looks like you load you scooter in backwards, which is something I think I will have to do due to the small beam going across te middle of the garage roof, which looks like you have as well.

Also, looking at your Motorhome details, your length is the same as mine (7.5 meters), so your garage will have the same overhang as mine. Have you weighed your motorhome with the scooter in? would be interested to know the weights, especially the rear axel load.

Yeah that's right I load from the back first, not weighed it yet but we have uprated to 4500kg with full VB air so have plenty the Aprilia weights in at 148kg I could uprate more but would have to change alloys and tyres.
I made my own loader which makes it really easy.

 

[Gazuk]

Thanks for that. Not even considerd how I'm going to secure the bike yet.

Mine has a MGW of 4250kg and rear axel of 2500kg. It looks like it wold be a paper exercise to go to MGW of 4500gb, but would need air suspension to increase the rear axel load. GIven we spent well over our budget to purchase the vehicle, need to try and avoid spending money at the moment.

I'm beginning to think the Honda Hornet at aound 180kg is not going to happen.

 

[Ditcha]

Thanks for that. Not even considerd how I'm going to secure the bike yet.

Mine has a MGW of 4250kg and rear axel of 2500kg. It looks like it wold be a paper exercise to go to MGW of 4500gb, but would need air suspension to increase the rear axel load. GIven we spent well over our budget to purchase the vehicle, need to try and avoid spending money at the moment.

I'm beginning to think the Honda Hornet at aound 180kg is not going to happen.

Depends how you travel ie water etc, in your current state if you loaded your back axle to 2500kg you would only have 1750kg on the front

 

[SandraL]

We have travelled this route. Hymer b694 fiat/ alko with rear garage.
Plated at 4250, rear axle 2400, front 2100
Loaded up for trip with scooter, official weight 109kg.
Weighbridge said 4300 kg, rear axle 2450 kg......
Have since replated rear axle to 2700, mgw to 4750 but

Its front wheel drive, heavily loaded rear axle, slight slope, wet grass/road means problems with grip so we try and keep rear axle no more than 2500, front axle is about 1900.
Have fitted Conti 4season tyres to try and improve grip and comply with winter tyre rules.

Gas cylinders and fresh water tank already towards front of van, not easy tomove weight forward.

As always vans are a compromise, we are happy with our compromise.

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[Gazuk]

Now that is worrying. You couldn't even get a 110 scooter in there without exceeding you weights.

First thiing is to get ours to a weighbridge and see what we are starting with.