Pets to Europe post B-day

[Casper46]

I took Defras online advice and called in the vets for advice. Absolute waste of time, they told me that any customer queries are passed on to Defra.
So I have I telephoned Defra myself and spoke to a nice young man who could only tell me that everyone should have a Titre test. I explained to him that Casper has a stamp in his passport dated November 2010 that proves he has had and passed a titre test, also I have both his passports ( first one full up) to prove that his Anti rabies injection have all been kept up to date. He still said that we would be safer starting from scratch again, as that is the advice they have been told to give people.
Which probably means they have as much idea as we have.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Exactly the same as the eurostar & freight train drivers are perfectly legal up until the 29th March.On the 30th ,with no deal, they have to have the right paperwork & homologated to continue driving trains.
They are trying to get them done now.
All this info is freely available on government sites along with other eu agencies & many companies.

You are looking at it from the wrong way.Everything is legal ,VIA the EU, prior to the 29thMarch. On the 30th NOTHING is legal unless previously homologated/updated,etc. I.e. you have a pet passport on the 29th without anything done on the 30th it isn't worth the paer it is written on .Same with driving licences, everything

Unless of course T May's Withdrawal Agreement is ratified by the UK Parliament and EU. In that case, the Regulation (EU) No 576/2013 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 June 2013 on the non-commercial movement of pet animals referred to on page 432 of the draft WA will still apply for the duration of the transition period.

 

[SpeedyDux]

all the info is here. And remember what info you are discussing is a "worst case scenario" in terms of waiting times for vaccines.

www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-travel-to-europe-after-brexit



1) we Leave with no deal
2) We leave with no deal and are not granted 3rd country status.
For number 2 to happen would have to be the most bitter divorce deal ever. This would be the "everyone returns home" scenario.. It won't happen.

I suspect more scare mongering, I won't be taking my dogs for any blood tests on the basis of what might or might not happen. I will do the honorable thing and if faced with what you state, Holiday in the greatest kingdom of them all, here the United Kingdom where my dogs will require nothing but the love and attention they crave.
Then Like many thousands of others, they too won't go if it's hassle which will mean either a bonanza for UK Kennel owners/ pet sitting services and a kick in the teeth for the tourist industry of France and many like it.

Yup, that's the link you should read. And if there is no deal the UK will accept your pet passport on return but take note of the 4 month limit.

 

[Cat53]

In starting this thread I wasn't looking to get any of the tetchy Brexit/Remain Truth/Non-truths discussions going as there's another (quite nasty) thread elsewhere on this forum for this. What I did seek to do was to raise the concern that our vet raised with us when we took our dog for her rabies booster, and which I then researched, as this was a total surprise to us as we had just thought the pet passport would be fine for use in May. Like us, our vet does not know what the outcome will be but in the worse case we will become something along the lines of a de-listed third country (or something like that) so we will need to have all the tests and jabs that animals from outside the EU have to have if they are coming from de-listed third countries (again - that might not be the right terminology). If it goes that way then we need to get our dog sorted fairly rapidly if we want her to travel in May.

Like others on here I find it hard to believe that just because we leave the EU the risk of our pets bringing in diseases to the EU rockets so we have to have these tests, but under the worse case scenario it seems possible that we will be given that status. It all seems pretty stupid to me, but then again we know how stupid our politicians are so it's a real risk. The UK govt. site gives more info (much of it is as clear as mud to me) and haganap posted the link in a post above.

I don't know if it is just scaremongering and equally I don't know why this seems not to fit into any transition period considerations (I guess where someone said no deal = no transition period that might be right), but I feel that in the grand scheme of leaving the EU on bad terms pet passports are very small fry and low priority so could well go into a worse case scenario before getting negotiated back to something more sensible.

We're not going to pay the £150 just yet as we can wait until the end of January (I think! ) and just maybe the upcoming vote may provide some clarity. Like others the alternative for us is to stay in the UK .

That is so, but the FACT is the UK introduced the scheme instead of quarantine, because we don’t have rabies here! They do on the continent! So to make us ‘jump through hoops’ to go to the continent is downright outrageous and a blatant scam!

 

[Cat53]

There is always the Channel Islands!

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[The Dudess]

Took Barley into vets this morning to have his blood sample taken for titre test. For info: the cost was £137.

 

[Larby]

So I have to pay for a test to prove my dog that lives in a country that doesn’t have rabies in it, hasn’t got rabies, so that I can then enter a country that does have rabies. But nobody cares about rabies when I return to the uk.

Well at least that makes sense now.

We do care of course but I see your point. In the event of no deal and common sense not prevailing it may become more stringent to take the dog into the EU than what the UK currently requires to bring in/back.
I'm sure our competent civil servants will make it as simple as possible

 

[Paddywack]

Took Barley into vets this morning to have his blood sample taken for titre test. For info: the cost was £137.

Still, you've saved £63 per year each on EU membership so your not that much out of pocket.

 

[Landy Andy]

I can’t see anywhere in the info that I’ve read saying that we will have to continue with this stupid process of seeing a foreign vet before return. Just see uk vet 10 days ish before and return within 4 months.

If so I’m pleased

 

[Tykatem]

I can’t see anywhere in the info that I’ve read saying that we will have to continue with this stupid process of seeing a foreign vet before return. Just see uk vet 10 days ish before and return within 4 months.

If so I’m pleased

Nothing has changed there. A vet must treat your dog for tapeworm and record it in the pet passport or third-country official veterinary certificate every time you want to bring it to the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/tapeworm-treatment-dogs

Pete

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[John65]

when our dog had rabies injection we had to wait 30 days minimum before blood test,the results came back positive within 2 weeks. We could then go to Europe after 6 weeks but could not return for another 6 weeks to make it 3 months from the test date.If the rules are still the same you will not have to wait 3 months to travel but would need to have 2 months away.

 

[maison]

Which ever way you try to cover yourself you are trying to imply I am attempting to mislead where in reality I am passing on information I have collected which I believe to be valid. You may wish to suggest I have been mislead, misinformed but not that I am trying to mislead. In my book I could complain.

I don’t see how we got into this argument re “lying”.

You were the one who first used the words about getting a bit perky when accused of lying. (Not by me or, as far as I can see having read the posts, by anyone else.

I don’t feel the need to “cover myself” at all.

My comments were, in any case, tongue in cheek, (see the emoji attached to what I presume is my post that you refer to).

However, if you feel offended by a light hearted comment I apologise.

 

[gus-lopez]

Unless of course T May's Withdrawal Agreement is ratified by the UK Parliament and EU. In that case, the Regulation (EU) No 576/2013 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 June 2013 on the non-commercial movement of pet animals referred to on page 432 of the draft WA will still apply for the duration of the transition period.

Which is why in my post it says ".On the 30th ,with no deal,"

Yup, that's the link you should read. And if there is no deal the UK will accept your pet passport on return but take note of the 4 month limit.

That is all well & good but what is the situation for a foreign dog returning to the EU having entered the Uk ?
I'm certainly not taking him to a UK vet " for a health certificate" when he has an EU passport & will have had the titre test as required before leaving to enter the Uk .Just the same as I won't be applying for a visa as a "UK citizen" but non-uk resident as I don't live there.

 

[Koppersbeat]

The DEFRA site advice was updated on December 19th.
I was panicking slightly but as I have been to my vet 4 times since that date and initially was asking for Daisy’s booster rabies to be done earlier than needed and now been told to wait.Daisy had a lip fold infection and needed several teeth to be extracted as well and she had the operation on December 20th.I left the vet with Daisy’s old full passport and her new one.I collected them back this afternoon.He said I must make sure I carry both copies when travelling abroad to prove that the blood test was done in 2011 and she is up to date with her boosters.

 

[Gary217]

So, that is saying that a previous test is ok. That's made me immediately relieved...and angry; relieved that our travel plans should not be disrupted but ###### angry with our vet for telling us we needed a further test . I will be speaking with them...

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[Koppersbeat]

Gary that is the worst case scenario that I have posted of the 3 possibilities following a No Deal Brexit.

 

[Blue Knight]

This is one of the 22 Brexit Advisories which was disseminated by the FCO today:

Travelling with pets to and from the UK


UK nationals will still be able to bring pets to and from the UK after the UK leaves the EU. Information on how to bring your pet to the UK can be found on Pet Travel to Europe after Brexit. You should contact your vet at least 4 months before you plan on travelling to any EU country with your pet. More information on the documents that would be required to enter or re-enter the UK will be made available for pet owners on GOV.UK. For more information on travel back to the EU visit Taking your pet abroad if there’s no Brexit deal.

 

[davebav]

If I take my dog to a EU vet this March for a pet passport eg Germany, would that then cover me for future EU trips and bypass all this other nonsense? Also as the Pet Passport I have now was issued by an EU country (UK) surely it remains valid as it was valid at issue date. If a registrar issues a document then changes his job, all previous documents issued do not become invalid, so what's the difference?

 

[Casper46]

If I take my dog to a EU vet this March for a pet passport eg Germany, would that then cover me for future EU trips and bypass all this other nonsense? Also as the Pet Passport I have now was issued by an EU country (UK) surely it remains valid as it was valid at issue date. If a registrar issues a document then changes his job, all previous documents issued do not become invalid, so what's the difference?

Don’t forget that Rabies injections in Mainland EU ( France anyway) are only valid for 1 year, not the three years as in UK. It’s exactly the same vaccine!!

 

[maxi77]

That is the reality of 'No Deal', there is no deal thus no rules, no protocols nothing hence major uncertainty. Some of the problems will be sorted out to a certain extent but many more may well take years to unravel. That is the joy of Brexit.

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