Rally Pershore Plum Festival 2020 24/8 to 1/9/20 (THE FESTIVAL NOW CANCELLED BUT NOT THE RALLY!)!)

[The Dudess]

Form completed. Also monies paid in full on Sunday but it's not reflected on attendee list.
Shame about the gazebos - just hope the weather is kind.

 

[Hils and Glenns]

Paid in full last night.

 

[Ukbandit]

Form filled in

 

[Ukbandit]

For some, maybe, but we all have to self discipline and protect ourselves.its a bit more pleasant sitting outside in the pop up, more so if it's windy

I agree Jim, we all can be responsible and self isolate without too many rules, we use ours for cooking and eating in, not socialising, it should be left up to individuals. We were at Jim’s a couple of weeks ago, and more people than us was using a pop up. It’s not a rule anywhere else either.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Yes agree Graham, we use ours a lot, for sitting out in, keeping the chairs undercover to save the putting away every night. Somewhere for the dog to sit in in the shade. Basically a chill out area in the daytime, rather than sitting in the van or in the sun, wind all day.Agree have not seen rules elsewhere on popups being banned and its just the same as not inviting anyone into your van.

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[Ukbandit]

Yes agree Graham, we use ours a lot, for sitting out in, keeping the chairs undercover to save the putting away every night. Somewhere for the dog to sit in in the shade. Basically a chill out area in the daytime, rather than sitting in the van or in the sun, wind all day.

We didn’t come and sit in yours at Bridlington the other week or you in ours, in other words we are responsible enough to be able to make our own decisions.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

It's only like not going in someone's van imo. Keeping yourself safe and secure and a means of helping social distancing.

 

[vin0114]

Form filled.

 

[Chocy boy]

Yes agree Graham, we use ours a lot, for sitting out in, keeping the chairs undercover to save the putting away every night. Somewhere for the dog to sit in in the shade. Basically a chill out area in the daytime, rather than sitting in the van or in the sun, wind all day.Agree have not seen rules elsewhere on popups being banned and its just the same as not inviting anyone into your van.

I had my full awning up at Brid, you, Graham and nobody else came in.

 

[The Dudess]

If people can be trusted not to invite others into their own van surely they can be trusted enough not to invite others into their awning. Also, if people do not use the 'curtains' then the gazebo is open on all sides with just mesh on 3 sides. Can't see how much different this is to a wind out awning, apart from the fact that Pop-Ups don't have to be taken down every time a slight breeze gets up.

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[quickweh]

I had my full awning up at Brid, you, Graham and nobody else came in.

I agree John and it's a shame that the ban came after we had paid the balance. We all observed social distancing at Brid.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Emmit can you please review the use of popups and the like, surely it's up to every van to ensure their own social distancing and in my opinion the pop up helps to do this. It's only like an extension to the van environment and is a means to sit outside even though the weather may not be all that good, but also as a shade in extreme sunshine. I am sure that if everyone agreed to keep social distancing with popups and not to invite anyone into their environment then it would work. The Rules that Jim has set out are quite clear but do not include banning popups. Can I request that you please review this. Thanks.

 

[vin0114]

I agree John and it's a shame that the ban came after we had paid the balance. We all observed social distancing at Brid.

Our Screenhouse was up at Brid' as well fully pegged down - no problem and no-one else was allowed in except the two of us. It's a real shame as we keep table and chairs and cook in there and I intended also taking the EL bike that would go in there during the day. The cheap open sided gazeebos are a nightmare in wind and are already banned on some sites. Our Screen house has proved stable in very high winds that we experienced last year at Haxey Keys.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

I agree John and it's a shame that the ban came after we had paid the balance. We all observed social distancing at Brid.

Quite right Mike, I will have to review the next meet on this site, a change of contract. Whilst I haven't been to Jim's Sutton on Sea site this year, I believe that pop ups were in use, allowed along with sided awnings. The only issue Jim had was concern of the use of ground sheets killing his grass.

 

[Jim]

If the rally marshal wants to restrict the use of popups that is up to him/her and the situation they are in. Separation is more important than ever right now and If space is tight, pop ups are a pain in the harris. You space vans with 6m between them and then someone pops up an enclosed pop-up between vans which means to comply with our insurance the neighbours vans need to be 6m from that popup and of course they are not, its often less than 3m. Suddenly we're ignoring best practice and our insurance is at risk.

If fully enclosed popups are to be used this needs to be accommodated in the spacing and you should ask the rally marshal if it is possible to erect one.

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[Antique]

Form completed

 

[JockandRita]

Thanks Derek, form submitted.

Ditto.

Jock & Rita.

 

[quickweh]

If the rally marshal wants to restrict the use of popups that is up to him/her and the situation they are in. Separation is more important than ever right now and If space is tight, pop ups are a pain in the harris. You space vans with 6m between them and then someone pops up an enclosed pop-up between vans which means to comply with our insurance the neighbours vans need to be 6m from that popup and of course they are not, its often less than 3m. Suddenly we're ignoring best practice and our insurance is at risk.

If fully enclosed popups are to be used this needs to be accommodated in the spacing and you should ask the rally marshal if it is possible to erect one.

All very well Jim and you have clarified the situation, it would have been good to know of the ban before the rally fees were due.

 

[vin0114]

If the rally marshal wants to restrict the use of popups that is up to him/her and the situation they are in. Separation is more important than ever right now and If space is tight, pop ups are a pain in the harris. You space vans with 6m between them and then someone pops up an enclosed pop-up between vans which means to comply with our insurance the neighbours vans need to be 6m from that popup and of course they are not, its often less than 3m. Suddenly we're ignoring best practice and our insurance is at risk.

If fully enclosed popups are to be used this needs to be accommodated in the spacing and you should ask the rally marshal if it is possible to erect one.

At Bridlington Regatta Fields we were spaced out to 8+ meters for this very reason. It's nice to have a big moho when you don't need to erect awnings or popups (not gazeebo)

 

[JockandRita]

Never mind guys and gals, we can all troop down to the pub and social distance 1 x metre apart.

Jock.

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[Emmit]

To all attendees at Avon Bank.

I was going to write individually to those who have expressed their concerns regarding the use of Pop Up's at Pershore but instead I'll post it on here.

Space is at a premium at Pershore. I will be perfectly upfront with you all and say that last year, I was not fully conversant with the issue of Gazebo's and spacing and, should you care to go back to the photos on the Pershore thread you will see aerial shots that show that, because of Gazebos, we were not compliant with spacing. I described the site originally at Avon Bank as 'Compact and Bejoux' Nothing has changed. Gazebos, year on year are becoming more and more popular. Last year there were approximately 15 vans with gazebos and not all of them were the 'small' 2.4 x 2.4mts. Some of them were double that.


That said, although spacing was of a concern to me this year, the use of Gazebo's in relation to social distancing was very much in the forefront of my mind.
It has been stated that that Jim doesn't ban Pop Ups at Sutton on Sea. A Rally where old friends meet is a totally different concept. There is a greater risk of social interaction with a resultant reduction in social distancing.
I fully accept what has been said regarding your own responsibility when it comes to not inviting others into your space but NONE of you can speak for another attendee. You cannot say, on a stack of Bibles that everybody will comply. Yes they should but you can't guarantee it. That is why I have put in the restriction.

I appreciate that you may have paid for the rally before the restriction was announced but, until yesterday and Jim's announcement, I was not sure that there would be a rally.

We really do want all of you to come to Pershore and have a good time. I/We have had to think out of the box on this. If someone was to go down with COVID and it was traced back to Avon Bank, the site would have to close with a huge impact on the owners.

The following is not a challenge to those who have expressed their feelings on this subject.I hope you can see that we as Marshalls have a wider responsibility than just to ourselves. However, if there is anyone who would rather cancel and not attend, please contact me privately and we will refund your money with no hard feelings at all.

Regards
Derek

 

[Wombles]

It's of great credit to Derek & Mary Emmit that they are prepared to run this rally at this time especially with all the extra things that now need to be considered. We know how much work they will have already done behind the scenes & what it takes once there so would hope that all Funsters would fully respect the method in which this is run for the benefit of all those attending. There should be no misunderstandings as everything has been clearly communicated on here.
We all love the cheap camping in great locations that rallies provide but those are only possible if there are volunteers willing to put in the work & effort that it takes. It's hard to encourage anyone to do this (we know as we've tried!) & many give up after running one or two as whilst the vast majority of motorhomers that attend rallies are lovely it only takes one or two bad experiences to put organisers off for good. We've met so many (from many clubs not just Fun) who say "we used to do that but not any more..." We need more Fun rallies & meets not less & to work together for it to be a positive experience for all involved!

 

[vin0114]

Emmit Derek what is the spacing between units on this field? I presume it's dictated by the spacing of the EHU points this may affect the ability to even use a roll out canopy or a fixed awning?


Edit: Emmit Derek
looks like in your last post that this is the real issue

 

[Emmit]

Emmit Derek what is the spacing between units on this field? I presume it's dictated by the spacing of the EHU points this may affect the ability to even use a roll out canopy or a fixed awning?

Hi Vin

The rule is a minimum of 6mts between units however continue reading. The position of EHUs doesn't help in this regard.

Roll out canopies and awnings affixed to the van do not count when it comes to the 6mts rule but Gazebo's do.
When two units are 'Doors together' there has to be a 9mts space. Cars don't count as they can be moved.

 

[Jim]

Emmit Derek what is the spacing between units on this field? I presume it's dictated by the spacing of the EHU points this may affect the ability to even use a roll out canopy or a fixed awning?

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[Jimbohorlicks]

It has been stated that that Jim doesn't ban Pop Ups at Sutton on Sea. A Rally where old friends meet is a totally different concept.

So what's the difference at Pershore? We are all "old friends", after all we all belong to the same club. I don't understand how you can seperate the two. Jim is just concerned about seperation for insurance reasons, not for social distancing, although I am aware that this is also important to everyone. But it seems it doesn't apply to old friends on certain sites.

 

[Lisa]

Roll out canopies and awnings affixed to the van do not count when it comes to the 6mts rule but Gazebo's do.

Jim beat me to it re the rally Marshall diagram. Awnings do count in the 6m rule

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

View attachment 413065

But it seems not to be applied at sites where "old friends" meet.

 

[vin0114]

Hi Vin

The rule is a minimum of 6mts between units however continue reading. The position of EHUs doesn't help in this regard.

Roll out canopies and awnings affixed to the van do not count when it comes to the 6mts rule but Gazebo's do.
When two units are 'Doors together' there has to be a 9mts space. Cars don't count as they can be moved.

Hi Derek according to Jim 's View attachment 413065 it clearly shows that roll-outs, slide-outs and tents contravene the 6m rule where the vans are parked 6m apart and there should be at least 8m between units to comply. What is the spacing between the EHU points. If this is less than 8m then no awnings whatsoever can be used.

 

[Chocy boy]

Hi Vin

The rule is a minimum of 6mts between units however continue reading. The position of EHUs doesn't help in this regard.

Roll out canopies and awnings affixed to the van do not count when it comes to the 6mts rule but Gazebo's do.
When two units are 'Doors together' there has to be a 9mts space. Cars don't count as they can be moved.

Dere, does that mean that I can use my full awning?.

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