Over £500 tax on this motorhome

[Monty don]

So have a 2020 Roler Team 707 and it was registered in the year when the govt decided to add road fund tax to any vehicle over 40k in purchase price
Its over £500 a year

So did I read somewhere that you can get it re classified as the govt stopped it a couple of years later

Any advice appreciated

GB

 

[Simon Select]

There is a batch of no one touches vans when the government decided to do the luxury vehicle tax on motorhomes. It lasted a short period but the few affected vans were over £500 a year to tax. The NCC actually lobbied the government and it was over turned but there was a 3 month window of vans still hit by it.

 

[BikerGraham]

There is a batch of no one touches vans when the government decided to do the luxury vehicle tax on motorhomes. It lasted a short period but the few affected vans were over £500 a year to tax. The NCC actually lobbied the government and it was over turned but there was a 3 month window of vans still hit by it.

Yep end of 2019 to March 2020.

Hit same and any car over £40k for 5 years usually years 2-6

 

[Monty don]

Does it go down then after year 6

 

[G7UXG]

Does it go down then after year 6

Yes, five years of loading, then reverts to standard VEL rate.

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[enark]

I understand that ithas to be paid for five years, so if the vehicle has been sorn for any of that time, the excess is extended….

ive look at 2017 cars that still have excess to pay for another year.

 

[Jo662]

Thats got to make the Motorhomes very unattractive to buy

 

[BikerGraham]

I understand that ithas to be paid for five years, so if the vehicle has been sorn for any of that time, the excess is extended….

ive look at 2017 cars that still have excess to pay for another year.

It can be exempted for the first year only which is why years 2 to 6. As the dealer may include the first years tax as part of the deal.

Mine is now just turned 6 years (67 plate) and has only now dropped the premium.

 

[EuroTrotters]

I feel for the OP

Who decides these extortionate and disproportionate tax?

Our stinky PHGV Euro III Motorhome is £165 a year
My Car, Euro V, I tow a caravan with for 2,000 miles a year is £645 a year
Wife's Previous run around, an old Diesel Audi A2 Euro III £35
Wife's Imported Euro V Petrol car £265 !

My Neighbour has a Euro ZERO old Diesel Horse Transporter, stinks and gets to the back of your throat when he starts it, £165 a year.

 

[Monty don]

20 plate so could be only I year 5 months to go so no big deal £500 extra in that period.

Not a deal breaker

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[BikerGraham]

I feel for the OP

Who decides these extortionate and disproportionate tax?

Our stinky PHGV Euro III Motorhome is £165 a year
My Car, Euro V, I tow a caravan with for 2,000 miles a year is £645 a year
Wife's Previous run around, an old Diesel Audi A2 Euro III £35
Wife's Imported Euro V Petrol car £265 !

My Neighbour has a Euro ZERO old Diesel Horse Transporter, stinks and gets to the back of your throat when he starts it, £165 a year.

My car at plus £40k
So based of £180 plus £390 (premium) so £570 for 5 years - 53mpg

My motorbike at £101 per year - 55 mpg

Neighbours car £30per year - 45mpg

Wife’s car £165 per year - 45 mpg

And they say VED is based on emissions

Last year I spent about £1000 on VED for 3 vehicles but only drove one at a time and totalled about 20k miles. Could have done the same in a Corsa and only paid £20 in VED. But at only say 40 mpg (sons previous car) would have had more emissions.

Bollocks should be on the rate of fuel duty only. Then it will be based on the mileage and therefore environmental effect.

 

[mikebeaches]

My diesel 2016 Jaguar XE automatic costs a ridiculously cheap £20 annual road fund licence.

 

[FrankNicklin]

My Diesel Civic was zero rated Tax and I got 60MPG but drove upwards of 25000 a year. My wife's cars did about 2000 miles a year and was £265 a year and probably got 30MPG town driving. Its a bonkers ruling and makes zero sense. Same as Up Plating a MH to 3501Kg (Silly example I know) but tax drops from £320 to £165.Why should heavier vehicles pay less, surely they do more damage to the "Environment". Cheaper VED yet are hammered with ULEZ in some places.

 

[RandallC]

There maybe a couple of upsides.

The V5c doesn't have any revenue weights, so heavier units unlikely to be caught in excess of 3500 speed limits. Ditto EU.
ANPR tolls are all charged at car rate as V5C says diesel car and no weights.

 

[MrTVR]

We purchased our new Burstner in Jan 2020 but were lucky in that the dealership had registered the van prior to the VED price hike

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[Peter and Julie]

My car at plus £40k
So based of £180 plus £390 (premium) so £570 for 5 years - 53mpg

My motorbike at £101 per year - 55 mpg

Neighbours car £30per year - 45mpg

Wife’s car £165 per year - 45 mpg

And they say VED is based on emissions

Last year I spent about £1000 on VED for 3 vehicles but only drove one at a time and totalled about 20k miles. Could have done the same in a Corsa and only paid £20 in VED. But at only say 40 mpg (sons previous car) would have had more emissions.

Bollocks should be on the rate of fuel duty only. Then it will be based on the mileage and therefore environmental effect.

Bit like then?

 

[Realist]

And mine is £675 a year.

 

[Griff097]

If your license allows, could you not replate it above 3500kg to private hgv rate?

 

[VXman]

Yes, five years of loading, then reverts to standard VEL rate.

And if you get the weight uprated to above 3.5 ton you will only pay £165. Need C1 on your license to do drive that though.

 

[Kevin R]

These charges for road tax seem pretty good compared to Germany. However, classifications seem weird in the UK. Caravans and trailers are also classified as separate vehicles with their own unique registration number and of course road tax.

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[Steve I]

My car at plus £40k
So based of £180 plus £390 (premium) so £570 for 5 years - 53mpg

My motorbike at £101 per year - 55 mpg

Neighbours car £30per year - 45mpg

Wife’s car £165 per year - 45 mpg

And they say VED is based on emissions

Last year I spent about £1000 on VED for 3 vehicles but only drove one at a time and totalled about 20k miles. Could have done the same in a Corsa and only paid £20 in VED. But at only say 40 mpg (sons previous car) would have had more emissions.

Bollocks should be on the rate of fuel duty only. Then it will be based on the mileage and therefore environmental effect.

I hear your view but just remember that emissions have no connection at all with fuel consumption, they are absolutely unrelated for VED pricing plus everyone buying a car of over £40k list in the up to 6yr period is aware of the penalties on VED, That’s a pointless argument I’m afraid

 

[Taran_Las]

If you access the DVLA site to check a vehicle's tax & MoT using your reg no. Near to the bottom of the results page under the heading 'additional rate' it gives the date at which the additional rate expires.

 

[BikerGraham]

I hear your view but just remember that emissions have no connection at all with fuel consumption, they are absolutely unrelated for VED pricing plus everyone buying a car of over £40k list in the up to 6yr period is aware of the penalties on VED, That’s a pointless argument I’m afraid

Well you are wrong.

When the VED system came in, in 2001 and subsequent changes the bands are based on emissions. It’s also very well publicised as such.

Even now in its latest incarnation, although standardised at £180, the first year additional payment is based on emissions.

The £40k thing was mentioned in the first post. I suggest you read it.

Also actually mpg does have a bearing on emissions to.
The greater the rate of fuel burn the greater the emissions.
As the physics of the combustion process is such that the conversion rate of fuel to driving force (power) is not that efficient.

The point of my post was that the VED system is unfair, as alluded to in the original post, and the only real way to deal with it fairly is through the duty etc on fuel. As has been suggested for at least 40’years that I know of.

UK VED tax band tables (2023/2024)​

CO2 emissions (g/km)	Standard petrol/diesel rate	First year rate
0	£0	£0
1 to 50	£180	£10
51 to 75	£180	£30
76 to 90	£180	£130
91 to 100	£180	£165
101 to 110	£180	£185
111 to 130	£180	£210
131 to 150	£180	£255
151 to 170	£180	£645
171 to 190	£180	£1,040
191 to 225	£180	£1,565
226 to 255	£180	£2,220
Over 255	£180	£2,605

Cars above £40,000 pay a £390 annual

Road tax for cars registered from 1 March 2001 to 31 March 2017​

The Government first introduced emissions-based vehicle taxation in 2001, when it created tax bands for cars which increased in amount depending on the emissions produced by a car. When the most recent road tax format changes took place on 1 April 2017, all cars registered in the previous way had their tax frozen at the following rates:

VED road tax for cars registered 01/03/01 to 31/03/17. Note this older system of road tax is also subject to inflationary increases.

VED Band	CO2 Emissions	Annual rate
A	Up to 100 g/km	£0
B	101-110 g/km	£20
C	111-120 g/km	£35
D	121-130 g/km	£150
E	131-140 g/km	£180
F	141-150 g/km	£200
G	151-165 g/km	£240
H	166-175 g/km	£290
I	176-185 g/km	£320
J	186-200 g/km	£365
K*	201-225 g/km	£395
L	226-255 g/km	£675
M	Over 255 g/km	£695

 

[Steve I]

Well you are wrong.

When the VED system came in, in 2001 and subsequent changes the bands are based on emissions. It’s also very well publicised as such.

Even now in its latest incarnation, although standardised at £180, the first year additional payment is based on emissions.

The £40k thing was mentioned in the first post. I suggest you read it.

Also actually mpg does have a bearing on emissions to.
The greater the rate of fuel burn the greater the emissions.
As the physics of the combustion process is such that the conversion rate of fuel to driving force (power) is not that efficient.

The point of my post was that the VED system is unfair, as alluded to in the original post, and the only real way to deal with it fairly is through the duty etc on fuel. As has been suggested for at least 40’years that I know of.

UK VED tax band tables (2023/2024)​

CO2 emissions (g/km)	Standard petrol/diesel rate	First year rate
0	£0	£0
1 to 50	£180	£10
51 to 75	£180	£30
76 to 90	£180	£130
91 to 100	£180	£165
101 to 110	£180	£185
111 to 130	£180	£210
131 to 150	£180	£255
151 to 170	£180	£645
171 to 190	£180	£1,040
191 to 225	£180	£1,565
226 to 255	£180	£2,220
Over 255	£180	£2,605

Cars above £40,000 pay a £390 annual

Road tax for cars registered from 1 March 2001 to 31 March 2017​

The Government first introduced emissions-based vehicle taxation in 2001, when it created tax bands for cars which increased in amount depending on the emissions produced by a car. When the most recent road tax format changes took place on 1 April 2017, all cars registered in the previous way had their tax frozen at the following rates:

VED road tax for cars registered 01/03/01 to 31/03/17. Note this older system of road tax is also subject to inflationary increases.

VED Band	CO2 Emissions	Annual rate
A	Up to 100 g/km	£0
B	101-110 g/km	£20
C	111-120 g/km	£35
D	121-130 g/km	£150
E	131-140 g/km	£180
F	141-150 g/km	£200
G	151-165 g/km	£240
H	166-175 g/km	£290
I	176-185 g/km	£320
J	186-200 g/km	£365
K*	201-225 g/km	£395
L	226-255 g/km	£675
M	Over 255 g/km	£695

Perhaps if you’d read it properly you’d have see I wrote about no correlation between fuel consumption and VED rates, your .gov chart just goes to show I was also correct about everyone buying an affected vehicle knows how much they’ll be paying. There’ll not be the excise duty added to fuel costs when we’re getting well into the transition to electric vehicles at which point the VED will change to add electric vehicles based on another parameter to be decided, why would the government completely change a taxation system that works when it’s got a relatively short shelf life anyway?

 

[BikerGraham]

Perhaps if you’d read it properly you’d have see I wrote about no correlation between fuel consumption and VED rates, your .gov chart just goes to show I was also correct about everyone buying an affected vehicle knows how much they’ll be paying. There’ll not be the excise duty added to fuel costs when we’re getting well into the transition to electric vehicles at which point the VED will change to add electric vehicles based on another parameter to be decided, why would the government completely change a taxation system that works when it’s got a relatively short shelf life anyway?

Oh but I did.

Not going to argue with you as you have your mind that I am wrong.

But Fuel economy does correlate to emissions and that affects VED as stated in the tables.

TBH if you don’t understand that simple level of science then there is no talking to you.

But here is a Point to ponder. Why does my motorbike VED cost a great deal more than say a 1.0 litre Corsa when my fuel economy is better and the emissions are lower. Yet the VED bands are based on emissions ?

The electric thing is irrelevant to this thread.

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[Northernraider]

I refuse to buy a car now that's more than £30 pa roadtax. And I wouldn't buy a camper with more than £165 road tax.

It is a choice after all

 

[jordy74]

My 1999 wanderer was £364 tax last year my 2015 1460cc diesel Dacia was £20 and my 2000 50cc 2stroke Piaggio zip 50 was £21.the wanderer has a Peugeot Boxer base and is a 1900cc td.Oh well just have to pay it.

 

[FrankNicklin]

VED on EV's is being introduced in 2025. They will pay £10 for the first year if registered after 1st April 2025 then from year 2 will pay the same standard rate currently set at £180. If the EV is over £40K and registered after 1st April 2025 they will pay the same VED premium as ICE cars over the same value for the first 5 years.

 

[Pablo19]

Mine would presumably have been affected as well, first registered in March 2020 but as it's 3850kg it's only £165. Interesting to know though and a very odd situation for sure.

 

[PaulC70]

We purchased our new Burstner in Jan 2020 but were lucky in that the dealership had registered the van prior to the VED price hike

What before April 2017?

Vehicle tax rates

Tables showing the rates for vehicle tax for different types of vehicle.

www.gov.uk