On-pitch Gas supply - How to connect up to it?

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I'm off Skiing in a few weeks to Austria and the pitches have an individual gas supply as well as EHU and water etc.

According to my 'back-of-a-fag-packet' maths, I think using Gas will be a lot cheaper than using electric for heating.
However, not sure how to actually connect the on-pitch supply to my gas system - I have an underslung tank (NOT Gaslow), but do have an external BBQ socket.
My thought was to rig up pigtail with a Bullfinch adapter one end and a 30Mb regulator at the other.
Or, try and 'T' it into the regulator in the Gas cupboard somehow.
Not sure if there are recommended maximum lengths to pig tails

Wondered if anyone else had done the same?

Details from the campsite attached



Gas to Van.webp

Inside Van.webp
 
Could you contact the camp site and ask if they have a qualified/certified person that’s part of campsite that could do the connection, I’m sure others have been in same situation?
I guess it would be better to have it done before you arrive.
Hope you get it sorted .
 
Does the campsite info not state the type of connection that is required?

Is it a regulated supply so should bypass your regulator or does it need to go through your regulator?

Important questions which will dictate where and how it’s connected.
 
Found this info; looks like they supply the hose and connection:

  • Gas bottle exchange with delivery service
Forget about hauling heavy gas bottles and the chore of swapping gas bottles in the middle of the night: on our Comfort and Comfort Plus pitches, you have the possibility of connecting to our gas supply. We will make the connection for you, and will provide a gas hose free of charge. This way, you will have a warm caravan for your entire stay - without having to worry about the gas supply.

Of course, you can also swap or buy 5 kg, 11 kg or 33 kg gas bottles from us. We will be happy to deliver the bottles to your pitch.

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That image shows connecting to the camp supply with an on/off valve to a regulator then to a T joint inside your own 30mBar regulator

I would have thought it simpler to remove one cylinder pigtail and join in there with a longish pigtail from the supply
 
Won't it be like connecting a domestic gas oven,just a low pressure site supply via a flexi hose? Never seen one,but anywhere with snow on the ground would get a wide berth from our bus.
Mike.
 
BouncyBoatFolk said:
Won't it be like connecting a domestic gas oven,just a low pressure site supply via a flexi hose? Never seen one,but anywhere with snow on the ground would get a wide berth from our bus.
Mike.
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It would be high pressure until it got to the regulator.
 
I believe some are low pressure connections.
I would check with the campsite directly to check, here’s a translation of what one campsite has to say :
HOW DOES THE DIRECT GAS CONNECTION WORK?

At the Comfort and Comfort Plus seats you have the possibility to connect directly to our gas system. The annoying gas cylinder exchange is thus eliminated and you always have a warm caravan. We provide the gas hose and connect the hose to you. Please note that a connection is only possible with caravans with 30 mbar. Likewise, a connection with a built-in Duomatic or Duocontrol is only possible if a shut-off valve and a connecter piece are available after the Duomatic/Duocontrol. If such a connection device is not available, the Duomatic/Duocontrol would have to be removed beforehand, since the direct connection to the Duomatic/Duocontrol is not possible for technical reasons.

Please note that the purchase or completion is only possible between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m.

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Madcaravanner said:
That image shows connecting to the camp supply with an on/off valve to a regulator then to a T joint inside your own 30mBar regulator

I would have thought it simpler to remove one cylinder pigtail and join in there with a longish pigtail from the supply
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It appears to be a low pressure supply so wouldn’t be suitable for connection through another regulator.
Maximum permitted pigtail length is 750mm , any longer can result in reliquefaction ⚠️
 
If the are supplying the equipment, their drawing shows a 50mb regulator that will ruin your jets as your van will be set up to run at 30mb (50mb is the old German standard up to 2002), maybe just an old drawing that's not been updated. Also not supposed to use a flexible hose over 1.8m.

Edit:
See Basildog above post.
 
Lenny HB said:
If the are supplying the equipment, their drawing shows a 50mb regulator that will ruin your jets as your van will be set up to run at 30mb (50mb is the old German standard up to 2002), maybe just an old drawing that's not been updated. Also not supposed to use a flexible hose over 1.8m.

Edit:
See Basildog above post.
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Yes it looks like they are saying their connection is only suitable for 30 mbar systems.
Over 20 years of 30mbar regulators on leisure vehicles now 👍
 
M50 said:
Connect it to your external gas bbq point
Site we stayed at Grubhof did it for us
Loads cheaper than lecky especially when it was-18
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Yes that’s a workable solution but not technically correct as all manufacturers specifically state that they are gas outlets , not to be used as an inlet.
My suspicion is it is covering themselves from the lunatics that would connect directly to an unregulated gas cylinder ⚠️🤬

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I know you can get a hose from a maxi bottle top connection on cylinder at full bottle pressure direct to a refillable input. Effectively using and external bottle to refill your refillable. That then uses your existing regulator to control the pressure.
Probably not what you need but may be a solution for some.
 
Lenny HB said:
If the are supplying the equipment, their drawing shows a 50mb regulator that will ruin your jets as your van will be set up to run at 30mb (50mb is the old German standard up to 2002), maybe just an old drawing that's not been updated. Also not supposed to use a flexible hose over 1.8m.

Edit:
See Basildog above post.
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I thought it said that the supply was 50mbar and the regulator drops it to 30mbar
 
Madcaravanner said:
I thought it said that the supply was 50mbar and the regulator drops it to 30mbar
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Two drawings both not clear, both show supply at 1.8 bar, one then through what is possibly a 30mb regulator to the low pressure side, the other one shows a 50mb regulator but doesn't show clearly where it connects but looks like to the high pressure side.

Very poor drawings for a safety critical installation.
 
M50 said:
Connect it to your external gas bbq point
Site we stayed at Grubhof did it for us
Loads cheaper than lecky especially when it was-18
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Not my field of expertise, not that I have one anyway. Is the BBQ point pressure regulated by the regulator and if going the other way ie using it as an entry point would it not need some sort of regulator in the feed pipe??

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Would be interested in which site you are going to as we fancy using our MH for a ski holiday in future.
 
Dfc - p.m. me for info if you'd like.
I'm heading out soon for my 11th season in Austria.

As for gas - I agree the site will take care of it. For around €9 a day. Much cheaper than EHU heating. They may charge a one off for the rent of a hose. I have my own from Gaslow, which will allow flow from an external bottle via a reg also.

Certainly Grubhof, Aufenfeld and Fieberbrunn have gas hose supply. (But the latter had poor pressure and as no use).
 
Thanks for all the great feedback so far, the site we're heading to is Tirol Camp Fieberbrunn (For Dfc )
The attached drawings show the setup for a Gaslow/ Refillable system, but mine is an underslung tank so I don't have the pigtails to T into (Although heading to the Van later this week to see exactly what I have and where it is).

My reading of the drawings suggests the Gas is delivered at 50Mbar so I will connect my own 50-30mbar regulator via a 750mm Gas hose to a Bullfinch BBQ hose connector.

bladerunner - I'm going to Fieberbrunn so interested in your comment on low pressure; I'm hoping they will have it sorted now. I was thinking of just seeing what the site can provide, but my concern was that I need the Bullfinch BBQ fitting to connect into, they may not have that already made.

This is all new to me so really keen for collective thoughts and advice
 
If their pipe work fits pigtails just get a pigtail and replace the one end with a Bullfinch connection.
 
I was at the end of the line and the pressure was too low.
Fieberbrunn is a good site- easy access to slopes, great ski area, good pool and sauna.
But it is expensive and when busy the customer care falls off a tad.
Last hill into site can be slippery if icy.

Not going to Fieberbrunn this year - this years plan:
Grubhof - fab site but limited ski
Wolfergut (Zell an See) - not been skiing but great pool and impressed last summer
Otzal - down the hill from Solden. Not been to this site, but great hot pool centre. Solden ski area great, but town rather Russian and Solden campsite rather crowded.
Aufenfeld (Zillertal) - interesting "Western" site, great pool, huge skiing and then there's Mayrhofen.

Off in 3 weeks......

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bladerunner said:
I was at the end of the line and the pressure was too low.
Fieberbrunn is a good site- easy access to slopes, great ski area, good pool and sauna.
But it is expensive and when busy the customer care falls off a tad.
Last hill into site can be slippery if icy.

Not going to Fieberbrunn this year - this years plan:
Grubhof - fab site but limited ski
Wolfergut (Zell an See) - not been skiing but great pool and impressed last summer
Otzal - down the hill from Solden. Not been to this site, but great hot pool centre. Solden ski area great, but town rather Russian and Solden campsite rather crowded.
Aufenfeld (Zillertal) - interesting "Western" site, great pool, huge skiing and then there's Mayrhofen.

Off in 3 weeks......
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Nice! We're off in 3 weeks as well over the February Half term as we have young teenagers. Its our first time Skiing anywhere other than France so really looking forward to it
 
Can you imagine this happening in the UK.
They would need, at least, a gas safe lpg engineer on site for connections.

I would think there, it would be the same bloke who cuts the grass in summer connecting up
 
yep
He's the chap who drives the snow plough and sweeps the leaves.
Bit Weird seeing the orange pipe across the ground, but system works,
 
pappajohn said:
Can you imagine this happening in the UK.
They would need, at least, a gas safe lpg engineer on site for connections.

I would think there, it would be the same bloke who cuts the grass in summer connecting up
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Not sure why you would think that
It’s a quick release connection which is designed to be owner operated, just like a bayonet cooker connection in many houses.
 

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