Older diesels may be banned from some German cities

[olley]

Seems some are banning all Diesel vehicles. https://www.thelocal.de/20180227/federal-court-gives-green-light-for-diesel-ban-in-german-cities

Almost immediately after the verdict, the port city of Hamburg became the first to announce plans for a diesel driving ban on two busy roads from late April, with exceptions for residents, ambulances, city services and delivery vehicles.

 

[Blue Knight]

When 82% of all German diesels are euro4 or worse & 85% of all vehicles in spain are diesel I think it will be a long time coming.

We're on the slippery slope for sure Gus and I certainly don't think it will be that long before we see some big changes.

 

[nicholsong]

Not that the aircraft flying over the cities dumping fuel is a problem

If, on the odd occasion that aircraft have to dump fuel to get down to landing weight due to an emergency then ATC direct them to a pre-determined dump area, often over the sea but away from populated areas.

Worldwide it probably happens a handful of times on longhaul flights, since on shorthaul the take-off weight is often within the landing weight since the fuel load is low.

Geoff

 

[robnchris]

If, on the odd occasion that aircraft have to dump fuel to get down to landing weight due to an emergency then ATC direct them to a pre-determined dump area, often over the sea but away from populated areas.

Worldwide it probably happens a handful of times on longhaul flights, since on shorthaul the take-off weight is often within the landing weight since the fuel load is low.

Geoff

Interesting point Geoff, though it doesn`t explain when I park at airports for a length of time why when I pick my car up the shine has totally gone and my car plus everyone else`s is covered in Kerosene.

 

[Pernickety]

And if I get a Euro6 today, how long's that going to last? Three/four years till what, Euro7? Maybe I should plan to leave a hole in the roof for mast and sails?

When 82% of all German diesels are euro4 or worse & 85% of all vehicles in spain are diesel I think it will be a long time coming.

Agreed, there's a heck of a lot of diesel infrastructure outside of cities still. I think this will more of a problem for city dwellers rather than coastal wanderers.

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[nicholsong]

Interesting point Geoff, though it doesn`t explain when I park at airports for a length of time why when I pick my car up the shine has totally gone and my car plus everyone else`s is covered in Kerosene.

I did not say there was no pollution, just that aircraft very rarely dump fuel(as in unburnt Jet A1 ) from the fuel tanks, and if they do it is away from conurbations.

Geoff

 

[joka250]

Obviously for all of us any further restrictions on diesel vehicles wether Euro 1 or 21 is a worry but i feel many of the new restrictions, particularly Germany, will be city wide not country wide and in effect much like current 3.5 ton limits, a pain at times but not insurmountable. I'm sure we will work around it, and I'm not known for optimism.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Here's my bit
Euro 6 diesel is massively cleaner than a 12 year okd Euro3 diesel
Euro 7 will not be a quantum leap foward from E6, certainly not enough to justify any penalty for E6 engines in 5 years

With the exception of major cities ( which dont operate in most peoples real world- London in particular) the other proposed ULEZ zones will police themselves in the medium term
For example if Nottingham brings a charge zone in, and Derby for example doesnt, how long will it be before all the formers shops are empty unless they spend billions on public transport.........they can throw s**t loads at London....but not Nottingham

Im not burying my head, I just think its council bullshit

Old gas central heating boilers and cows farting are a problem, but much harder to tax, so they leave them alone

 

[Cheshirecat57]

When 82% of all German diesels are euro4 or worse & 85% of all vehicles in spain are diesel I think it will be a long time coming.

Remember Spain only has to “say” that it will comply to get the grants, apparently it doesn’t actually “have” to comply to anything

 

[DaveandJen]

I always recommend to new members on here looking for their first van to buy as near to new as possible.
Buying earlier vans built in Germany are a special case but most are still being pulled along by Euro 3 /4 / 5 Fiat diesel engines.

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[airwave]

Oh dear , that's actually really disappointing , though i have to admit , not totally unexpected . I can't say i'm all that bothered about germany , though there are a few place's i would have liked to visit , but if i'm not welcome , so beit , i wont bother . The question is now though , how long will it be , before it spread's across europe like the emission zone's did , cause as sure as egg's are egg's it will , and my guess would be paris will be first .

 

[Cheshirecat57]

If i ever want to visit Paris, i cant imagine it will not be in a 7 metre+ motorhome thats for sure
I will park 20kms away and get the train

 

[ianthebuilder]

anything I can afford

Or anything I’m given !! Lol

 

[airwave]

If i ever want to visit Paris, i cant imagine it will not be in a 7 metre+ motorhome thats for sure
I will park 20kms away and get the train

Well actually i mean't for banning old diesel's . I'm not a city dweller , so the town's don't bother me , and like you , i've got no intention on taking , even my smaller 6m van into them . I went to paris 18 year's ago , actually i got stuck there when my car's alternator packed up . I couldn't fault their effort's to fix it , but to be honest i wasn't impressed with the city itself . It looked jaded and run down , to a large extent , forgive me for saying this , closed , hah except for the traffic , by god , there was a lot of that . I've been to a couple of other smaller place's too , and they really just looked much the same . I'm more of a coastal wanderer , however i'm also looking more toward spain , and there's a couple of large lez's on the way down to the border . It's the impact this ban will have on them , i'm interested in . Shouldn't have any i know , but then i never expected them to be set up where they are , in the first place .

I'll be watching for future development's , in particular how it's implemented .

 

[EuroTrotters]

I remember the £2 a litre fuel scare a few years ago. Everyone ran to the dealers trying to get rid of 4x4's and thirsty petrols. Wiped tens of thousands of some cars.

You try buying a Petrol Range Rover, BMW X5 or a Mercedes V8 Petrol cheap now!

No chance.

We live in a Suburb of South Manchester that has a traffic corridor running past the M60. We are choked with Diesel fumes and pollution. But its not really old motorhomes. Its fairly new badly maintained cars, vans and older trucks, busses and coaches.

You should see some of the crap that comes out of peoples car exhausts.

I think there should be more roadside checks for pollution. Ill bet many of the cars have no or bent MOT's and are uninsured with no RFL.

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[Ivory55]

Getting rid of old motors is ok but a lot of low paid people rely on old motors to get to work as many low paid jobs start or finish when there is no public transport. I guess you got to add up if it’s cheaper to pay them dole money or let them use old motors

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Getting rid of old motors is ok but a lot of low paid people rely on old motors to get to work as many low paid jobs start or finish when there is no public transport. I guess you got to add up if it’s cheaper to pay them dole money or let them use old motors

You have,to a certain extent, hit the proverbial nail on the head
Getting rid of old motors is quite a hot potato, politically

 

[Ivory55]

You have,to a certain extent, hit the proverbial nail on the head
Getting rid of old motors is quite a hot potato, politically

And you’re quite lucky up there with the public transport system in Manchester with its trams, but I bet it’s far from perfect.

 

[gus-lopez]

Remember Spain only has to “say” that it will comply to get the grants, apparently it doesn’t actually “have” to comply to anything

 

[Cheshirecat57]

And you’re quite lucky up there with the public transport system in Manchester with its trams, but I bet it’s far from perfect.

We live 30 miles West of Manchester, the train takes over an hour! Several times a day, but make sure you dont want to stay after 10 at night
Public transport in MOST of the north is a joke to be honest,if you are slightly out of town

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