Oh dear! I've only gone and bought a Milk Float.

[bobnick]

Modern petrol or diesel cars have the facility to warm them up before you get in them through "the app".
Next door neighbour picked his leccy car up last Thursday, a VW ID5.
I asked him yesterday evening what his first impressions were, "bit weird" ask me again in a couple of weeks.

 

[Millcourt]

A friend of ours has an EV Citroen C4 and it’s always bloody cold inside, obviously not noticeable in the summer but during the colder darker months he’s not singing its praises quite so much as he has to do a lot of miles around Yorkshire in his current role.
Another friend has an MG EV but keeps his old diesel Ford Mondeo for situations where charging and distance are problematic with the EV.
I’m not a convert.

Don’t understand why heating in cold weather should be a problem. Of course, you use some battery power and reduce available range, but not a problem on short journeys and for longer runs you plan re-charging accordingly.

To minimise battery energy usage for both heating when cold and aircon when hot, heat pump technology is becoming more common a feature on EV’s. Our Smart #1 Premium model has a heat pump as a standard factory installation. So far, I have not encountered any problems with maintaining our desired temperature giving rise to range anxieties.

 

[The Wino]

Don’t understand why heating in cold weather should be a problem. Of course, you use some battery power and reduce available range, but not a problem on short journeys and for longer runs you plan re-charging accordingly.

To minimise battery energy usage for both heating when cold and aircon when hot, heat pump technology is becoming more common a feature on EV’s. Our Smart #1 Premium model has a heat pump as a standard factory installation. So far, I have not encountered any problems with maintaining our desired temperature giving rise to range anxieties.

Aircon is always a heat pump.

 

[Wanders from Glos]

Aircon is always a heat pump.

Heat pumps are not always standard on EVs, on some makes they are an optional extra.

 

[AGT]

I have joined the club!
I pick up my EV tomorrow
I decided it was time to down-size a little and traded my Mercedes ML350 for an electric
I need a little space at the back for our Cocker Spaniel so a hatchback was a necessity
My wife is a ‘badge snob’ so a Chinese car was, unfortunately, out of the question
I looked at the Mercedes EQC, Tesla model Y and others.
The Merc was nice , I hated the Tesla (too minimalist inside and I hated the regenerative breaking, which you can’t adjust enough)
Whilst I was at the dealer test driving a Tesla, I spotted another car I liked the look of.

So, my new ‘baby’ is a Jaguar I-Pace.

Surprisingly cheap & extremely low milage. Condition is like new. (Car has only done about 4k a year so far)
Haggled a 2 years warranty and I’ve still got 5 years warranty on the battery etc. happy with that.
Absolutely stunning, unmolested ‘ivory’ interior
I am amazed how comfortable, smooth, yet rapid this car is. (0-60 4.5secs, 124mph top speed)
Range should be around 190-200 miles per charge in the real world providing I don’t use that power all the time.

I know that regenerative braking is designed to help with extending the range of an EV but reducing it so that it feels more like engine breaking feels much better for me. Luckily, that is adjustable in the Jag.

Does everyone else ‘like’ the regen braking or is it just me that doesn’t?

Most of my car journeys are around 50 miles now so I think the car can manage that with home charging.
Not sure of the necessity of a 7kw wall charger yet or will a granny charger be sufficient? - Still on the fence about that.
Interested to see if anyone else has an I-Pace and what they think.

Andy

Congratulations.

I had an I-Pace for three years from 2019 and was very sorry to hand it back when I retired. The car still looks fantastic and the performance, handling and comfort are all exceptional. We did a few long trips in our I-Pace including an Edinburgh to Solden return trip for a skiing holiday. I had a few recalls in the first year or so but the car never broke down.

The only downsides are the poor fast charging speeds compared to more recent EVs and the efficiency - although this is offset by the humungous battery.

The regen braking and one pedal driving will grow on you.

With your usage the granny charger should be fine.

I also had the ivory leather interior which is gorgeous.

Picture please.

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[gus-lopez]

don't know where the idea that EVs are slow comes from.

It's not just the evs but the vast majority who appear to be on the Mobil economy run.

You’ve obviously never driven oone.

Only a short drive of one.

does anyone know if it put your brake lights on?

Yes.another reason for tailbacks on motorways when muppettbehind sees them and brakes causing a cascade effectvsobhalf a mile behind they all come to a stop.

Like picking up some stuff from Greenwich daughter wanted to buy, no way would I have offered before & taking other daughter and family to Heathrow, normally let them get a taxi.

Even if i was being paid I still wouldn't be driving in the uk if I can help it.

Can he not turn the heating on from a phone app before using the car you can do on most EV's. Mine also has heated seats and steering wheel and it's only an MG.

For someone who thinks 30°c is just warm enough for summer I can't believe the heating on an ev will be enough for you? I like mine coming out in the +60°c range if it is cold. I'm also known to run the diesel heater as well

But heat in an EV is almost instant don't have to wait for the engine to warm up.

But not hot enough

How often?

99 out of every 100 roughly.

What's your assumption when you see an ICE driving slowly (which is also pretty common)?

same as above. All going to slow.

 

[neilydun]

Modern petrol or diesel cars have the facility to warm them up before you get in them through "the app".
Next door neighbour picked his leccy car up last Thursday, a VW ID5.
I asked him yesterday evening what his first impressions were, "bit weird" ask me again in a couple of weeks.
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Definatly weird, for quite a while I found.
But, now I am converted.
I just clocked over 6500 miles, and checked my charging app. I have only charged at home, and its saying £170 total.
I will be buying a Kia PV5 once there out to replace a work van. Too cheap to run not too

 

[Guigsy]

The only downsides are the poor fast charging speeds compared to more recent EVs and the efficiency - although this is offset by the humungous battery.

I've had an EV for nearly year. I've used a rapid charger once. My car has terrible charging speed. But I went for a wee and got a coffee and that was still plenty of charge to get me home. I think the need for incredible rapid charging rates is massively over emphasised. Most of the time, you charge at home, so the charge rate is irrelevant.

I also think that once you get beyond about 250 miles of range, it's mostly a waste. For most people, it'll cost them thousands more to get a bigger battery, and only save a few minutes per year.

Which is why I think these statements Toyota make about a 600 mile solid state battery that charges in 5 minutes are bunk. The reality is that you'll get a car with a battery half as big because of the cost. And you'll spend pretty much the same time per year at a charger as the cars with wet electrolytic lithium batteries.

 

[Lenny HB]

Definatly weird, for quite a while I found.
But, now I am converted.

I was converted instantly I drove one, and I always said I'd never get one.

 

[Cobra]

The car still looks fantastic and the performance, handling and comfort are all exceptional.

I am still admiring it from my dining room window… Unfortunately, it didn’t come with a granny charger, I had one delivered this evening so it will go on charge tonight at a cheap rate (only add about 50 miles though… not enough for me to play properly)

The only downsides are the poor fast charging speeds compared to more recent EVs and the efficiency - although this is offset by the humungous battery

After the 2019 -2020 (mines a 2022) they changed the max charging speed to 100kw so should be a bit better now, but I don’t think either way it will be an issue as I’ll mostly charge at home.

With your usage the granny charger should be fine

Probably…
But… 7kw charger arriving tomorrow and my usual electrician will fit it on Monday
Then I can really play.

I still can’t believe that I bought a 3 year old car that originally cost almost £85k for £20k with only 13k miles on the clock… it still looks like new both inside and out.

Just took a couple of pics, in the rain & dark

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[Cobra]

I know I shouldn’t really show the plate number.. but my personal plate will go on it in a few days

 

[bobnick]

I

Don’t understand why heating in cold weather should be a problem. Of course, you use some battery power and reduce available range, but not a problem on short journeys and for longer runs you plan re-charging accordingly.

To minimise battery energy usage for both heating when cold and aircon when hot, heat pump technology is becoming more common a feature on EV’s. Our Smart #1 Premium model has a heat pump as a standard factory installation. So far, I have not encountered any problems with maintaining our desired temperature giving rise to range anxieties.

Think most warm up the car whilst it's still plugged in and they are having their full english therefore lose no charge.

 

[TheMobileWanderer]

Like most ev drivers who appear to be on the Mobil economy run you aren't going fast enough if you can slow down without using the brakes.

There's such a thing as 'acceleration sense'.

Another interesting factoid - EVs came out top (i.e. worst) in a recent owner breakdown survey, at 17%

I wonder how many of those breakdowns were due to driver error (running out of charge) and how many were a fault on the vehicle.

I read recently that such driver errors accounted for 40% of breakdown callouts.

 

[gpat]

There's such a thing as 'acceleration sense'.



I wonder how many of those breakdowns were due to driver error (running out of charge) and how many were a fault on the vehicle.

I read recently that such driver errors accounted for 40% of breakdown callouts.

I think many filled up with the wrong kind of electricity.

 

[Scottish Scrutineer]

I wish they'd make modern motorhomes with the full auto-cruise on the modern EV's. It's criminal it's an "option" on petrol and diesel but included in nearly all EV's. Honestly don't think a lot of people buying petrol realise what they are missing in this.

They do, at least our Knaus which uses the VW Crafter/MAN TGE base chassis does. Full ACC, lane departure warning and assist.

Yes it does on the Mercedes, so I turn it off on dual carriageways and motorways.

I came across a release from VW which recommended using “D” mode on open roads such as dual carriageways and motorways, and only using “B” mode in urban of for descending steeper hills. The basis was that coasting was more energy efficient than regeneration which has inherent losses in changing kinetic energy to electrical energy to store in the battery.

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[Jo May]

I know I shouldn’t really show the plate number.. but my personal plate will go on it in a few days

You may be in luck, there's a guy down the road called Yousuf Mahood Zahir who's just got a 2.2 from the open university.

 

[Sue and Rick]

I am still admiring it from my dining room window… Unfortunately, it didn’t come with a granny charger, I had one delivered this evening so it will go on charge tonight at a cheap rate (only add about 50 miles though… not enough for me to play properly)

After the 2019 -2020 (mines a 2022) they changed the max charging speed to 100kw so should be a bit better now, but I don’t think either way it will be an issue as I’ll mostly charge at home.


Probably…
But… 7kw charger arriving tomorrow and my usual electrician will fit it on Monday
Then I can really play.

I still can’t believe that I bought a 3 year old car that originally cost almost £85k for £20k with only 13k miles on the clock… it still looks like new both inside and out.

Just took a couple of pics, in the rain & dark
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Thats the problem ...£60k loss in three years. Why buy new?.

 

[Kamperkev]

I bought a six month old demo with just over 2000 miles and that was between six and seven thousand pounds savings on a new one

 

[SpeedyDux]

If I wanted a brand new EV from an established European brand I would wait until December/January.

That's because (a) private buyer demand for new EVs seems to have saturated (although Motability is one of the biggest fleet buyers of EVs) and (b) the car manufacturers will need to register EV stocks held at the dealers before the year end, because of the ZEV Mandate fines facing them for missing the official target percentage by miles.

I predict that thousands of pre-registered "demonstrator" EVs will be offered at huge discounts off list price at the year end, or just afterwards. Perhaps even 50% discounts for new EVs that are looking heavily overpriced against cheap competitors from Chinese brands.

 

[The Wino]

I bought a six month old demo with just over 2000 miles and that was between six and seven thousand pounds savings on a new one

Always been the case we bought a skoda Octavia estate quite a while ago £10 k cheaper than new 6 months old although it had done more miles. We bought our MG EV pre registered but new 25 years ago we had a similar deal on a pre reg Peugeot estate. In the case of EVs it's a bit different as until very recently there weren't any cheap ones with reasonable range it's a fast changing market.

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[Cobra]

Thats the problem ...£60k loss in three years. Why buy new?.

I wouldn’t consider a new EV unless I could get a discount similar to the expected depreciation (which will never probably happen)
I traded in my Mercedes ML350 (the beast) which depreciated around £50k over 10 years and, apart from consumables - brakes, tyres, servicing etc never cost me a penny throughout its life.
That was probably my last new car as the next will probably be another used EV ( assuming I still love them) in a few years.
The ML is the car I have kept the longest, usually changing after about 3-4yrs sometimes a lot sooner (I get bored)

I’m trying not to be too sexist but… what is it with women?
Mrs Cobra was almost crying her eyes out when I got rid of the ML.. really upset that it was going.
She will be devastated when we get rid of her little Smart cabriolet, and has flatly refused to look at changing it.
‘It’s a car for god’s sake, not a baby!’

 

[Cobra]

You may be in luck, there's a guy down the road called Yousuf Mahood Zahir who's just got a 2.2 from the open university.

Ha! The salesman that sold me the Jag was called Yosef

 

[Cobra]

A question for those with a Moho and EV.
Have you ever tried connecting the Moho to your home charging socket with the appropriate adapter?
Seems silly to run an ehu cable across the drive if I can connect directly to the EV charging socket on my garage wall when charging the Moho at home (I charge the Moho at home every couple of weeks during the winter as solar is not enough to keep everything topped up while in storage)

 

[starquake]

A question for those with a Moho and EV.
Have you ever tried connecting the Moho to your home charging socket with the appropriate adapter?
Seems silly to run an ehu cable across the drive if I can connect directly to the EV charging socket on my garage wall when charging the Moho at home (I charge the Moho at home every couple of weeks during the winter as solar is not enough to keep everything topped up while in storage)

Yes, we do this, but we use a 32A commando socket instead of a true EV charger (with a type 2 command to EV type 2 charge cable).

However I understand you can get devices to spoof the type 2 socket for 16A delivery to a moho just fine.

Trivial to do, and in our case it also meant we could repurpose a 32A commando we initially had installed for a high powered heated pressure washer.

All the EV charger electronics do is in effect a safety check before delviering 32A to the cable, it's mains AC power, so a device that limits the output to 16A and gives a commando socker (or 13 pin plug) are available from many retailers.

 

[Guigsy]

I came across a release from VW which recommended using “D” mode on open roads such as dual carriageways and motorways, and only using “B” mode in urban of for descending steeper hills. The basis was that coasting was more energy efficient than regeneration which has inherent losses in changing kinetic energy to electrical energy to store in the battery.

If you want to coast in B mode, you just lift your foot a little so there's no power flow either way. Achieving the same thing.

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[Millcourt]

If you want to coast in B mode, you just lift your foot a little so there's no power flow either way. Achieving the same thing.

A bit like finding the “biting point” of a clutch when we learned to drive one of those old-fashioned ICE vehicles with a manual gearbox!

 

[dunnah01]

Is it me or are all modern cars brilliant but dull. Bring back the days when you could add go faster bits and believe your 0-60 was at least 10 seconds better. Twin tanks on a mini was the best way to improve the range

 

[neilydun]

Thats the problem ...£60k loss in three years. Why buy new?.

But, for a company its a tax write off.
That was the only reason I bought new.

 

[neilydun]

A question for those with a Moho and EV.
Have you ever tried connecting the Moho to your home charging socket with the appropriate adapter?
Seems silly to run an ehu cable across the drive if I can connect directly to the EV charging socket on my garage wall when charging the Moho at home (I charge the Moho at home every couple of weeks during the winter as solar is not enough to keep everything topped up while in storage)

If you have V2L you can park your EV next to your MH and plug straight in

 

[Cobra]

Hypervolt charging socket arrived so will be getting it fitted on Monday morning
Can’t wait
I’m like a kiddie with a new toy!

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