Oh dear! I've only gone and bought a Milk Float.

BrochMike said:
I sometimes play this game too, but...

Has anyone got the necessary kit to work out their actual 'live' charges and confirm what they're being billed? I doubt it.

Even Octopus can't show the price of your electricity in their app!

We just have to rely on them working it all out, after the event, to honour their promise we'll get the whole house at 7p when charging...
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The Ohme app tells me exactly how much energy and the cost per charge. You can also do it by going into the details of your octopus bill….
 
Scottish Scrutineer said:
These are very tempting, but you can buy quite a range of pre-owned EVs at lower prices now. We are off this afternoon to have a look at some options; VW iD3, MG4, and Kia Soul. Problem is that so many cars now look very similar. Considered a BMW i3, but the newer offerings have an appeal
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Stay away from the VWs as they have a habit of completely shutting down- my neighbour has that is with his cupra born(same car) and at least 3 people at work have had this issue with their ID3/4/5s. Nice cars but seem to have significant hardware issues….
Unlike my Volvo that works perfectly- once it’s decided whether to let you in, lock the doors, unlock in the middle of the night etc…😂😂. Likes to leave me standing outside for 10 seconds especially when it’s raining!
 
gpat said:
You have now.

What Car reliability survey 2024.

MG4. Reliability rating 63.8%

Most common faults: non-motor electrics 15%, interior trim 9%, motor 7%

Average repair cost: fixed for free 55%, more than £1500 19%

Time off road: 68% more than a week

The MG 4 is one of the most affordable electric cars you can buy, with prices that undercut some petrol and diesel alternatives. However, it's the lowest scoring electric model in our survey, because it has a fairly high percentage of faults and cars that go wrong can be slow and expensive to fix.

Owners told us that 30% of their cars went wrong overall. They reported issues in almost all of our fault categories, including non-motor electrics, interior trim, bodywork, motor, sat-nav/ infotainment, battery/charging system, gearbox/clutch and motor electrics.

MG only paid for repairs in 55% of cases, leaving 39% of owners with bills of £1000 or more. Many faults caused a lot of inconvenience too, because 68% of affected cars took more than a week to put right
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Most of the problems on the Mg4 were on the early ones.
Just had a look through the warranty terms the only negative bits I could find were these.

"INFOTAINMENT, CONVENIENCE SYSTEMS & DRIVER AIDS*** 36 months 45,000 miles.
EV CHARGING POINT DOOR & CABLE 12 Months"

The first item could be a bit worrying as it virtually controls the car but the warranty is as long as any other manufacturers apart from Kia.
 
Lenny HB said:
Most of the problems on the Mg4 were on the early ones.
Just had a look through the warranty terms the only negative bits I could find were these.

"INFOTAINMENT, CONVENIENCE SYSTEMS & DRIVER AIDS*** 36 months 45,000 miles.
EV CHARGING POINT DOOR & CABLE 12 Months"

The first item could be a bit worrying as it virtually controls the car but the warranty is as long as any other manufacturers apart from Kia.
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What about Hyundai and Toyota?
 
Lenny HB said:
Most of the problems on the Mg4 were on the early ones.
Just had a look through the warranty terms the only negative bits I could find were these.

"INFOTAINMENT, CONVENIENCE SYSTEMS & DRIVER AIDS*** 36 months 45,000 miles.
EV CHARGING POINT DOOR & CABLE 12 Months"

The first item could be a bit worrying as it virtually controls the car but the warranty is as long as any other manufacturers apart from Kia.
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Hi Lenny. Yes. I wasnt being critical of them, merely pointing out that it was strange that Silver-Fox had never heard anything bad about them. More in fun. 👍

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motorhumour said:
Stay away from the VWs as they have a habit of completely shutting down- my neighbour has that is with his cupra born(same car) and at least 3 people at work have had this issue with their ID3/4/5s. Nice cars but seem to have significant hardware issues….
Unlike my Volvo that works perfectly- once it’s decided whether to let you in, lock the doors, unlock in the middle of the night etc…😂😂. Likes to leave me standing outside for 10 seconds especially when it’s raining!
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We have a 2024 T Cross. It's a lovely car. However now and again it just won't play ball. Usually after not been started for a few days. If you just leave it half an hour it starts. The dealers have no clue as no fault recorded.
 
gpat said:
Hi Lenny. Yes. I wasnt being critical of them, merely pointing out that it was strange that Silver-Fox had never heard anything bad about them. More in fun. 👍
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I have to say as I’m not buying one I haven’t done any research.

But no one has said to me the MG is not reliable 😊
 
Silver-Fox said:
I have to say as I’m not buying one I haven’t done any research.

But no one has said to me the MG is not reliable 😊
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I'm afraid I am addicted to car reviews. What car, carwow. Autocar, auto express etc. They always comment on the poor reliability.

The Mg4 gets great reviews apart from that.
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Here's what chatgpt says
While the MG4 has garnered praise for its affordability and driving dynamics, several reliability issues have been reported:



In the 2023 What Car? Reliability Survey, the MG4 ranked 18th out of 20 electric cars, with a reliability score of 76.1%. This declined further in 2024, with a score of 63.8%, making it one of the least reliable electric vehicles in the survey
 
BusyBuilder said:
Question.....do EV's have different charging plugs ?
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Short answer is no. Every current EV has a socket that works with Type 2 AC home charging, and with CCS2 DC fast charging.

Nissan Leafs used a Chademo socket. And some Zoës could only Type 2 charge. We're not in the situation like the US where they are switching from CCS1 to NACS.
 
BrochMike said:
A few still have 'legacy' connections (but unlikely to be a problem for anyone buying something today) https://electriccarhome.co.uk/charging-points/charging-point-connector-types/
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That article makes it sound way more complicated than reality. Everywhere will have the Type2/CCS2 connector that all current EVs use across UK and Europe.

The only minor wrinkle is the Nissan Leaf used an odd Chademo socket, so some charging points have both the common Type2/CCS2 connector, and also a Chademo so they could charge Leafs. But Chademo is now disappearing.
 
Guigsy said:
That article makes it sound way more complicated than reality.
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Perhaps, and the Conclusion sums it up:
Even if you are still completely confused by connector types, the good news is that it doesn’t matter.

But...
who knew CHAdeMO 3.0 will likely be the domininant format globally?
 
BrochMike said:
Perhaps, and the Conclusion sums it up:
Even if you are still completely confused by connector types, the good news is that it doesn’t matter.

But...
who knew CHAdeMO 3.0 will likely be the domininant format globally?
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Chademo3 is kind of irrelevant here. The EU directive means CCS2 has to be on all fast chargers. That article is incorrect, CCS can do V2G. So CSS2 has become the standard in this corner of the world with no reason to change. So unless you drive your car outside Europe, CCS2 is fine for the foreseeable future.

Also note the US is rapidly moving to the NACS connector. They aren't going to switch (again). Strangely, that switch is only happening because Tesla chargers (that have always used NACS in the US), are seen as more reliable than chargers from other suppliers (that all used CCS1). Car makers moved to NACS got access to the Tesla chargers.

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Guigsy said:
Short answer is no. Every current EV has a socket that works with Type 2 AC home charging, and with CCS2 DC fast charging.

Nissan Leafs used a Chademo socket. And some Zoës could only Type 2 charge. We're not in the situation like the US where they are switching from CCS1 to NACS.
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The Lexus UX300e uses the CHAdeMo plug for rapid charging.
 
h8ten said:
The Lexus UX300e uses the CHAdeMo plug for rapid charging.
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Lol. If you're expecting to have to charge on the go, don't get one of those then! Chademo is getting increasingly rare and it's normally only 50kW. I think the Japanese brands are even further behind than the Europeans.
 
M-J said:
What about Hyundai and Toyota?
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I just asked ChatGtp to explain the KIA 7 year warranty and it all looks good. I specifically changed to the 2024 NiroEV4 as it now has a 20,000 or two year service schedule and got them to throw in a free two year service so giving me three years of free servicing.
This is what ChatGtp says:

Yes, Kia's 7-year warranty in the UK is comprehensive but comes with specific terms and exclusions you should be aware of:

Coverage Overview​

  • Duration & Mileage: The basic warranty covers your vehicle for 7 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first.
  • Transferability: The warranty is fully transferable to subsequent owners, enhancing the vehicle's resale value. Kia

Key Limitations & Exclusions​

  • Batteries:
    • 12V and 48V batteries: Covered for 24 months from the date of first registration.
    • High-voltage EV batteries: Covered for 8 years or 100,000 miles, with warranty support if capacity drops below 70%. Kia+1Kia+1Kia
  • Clutch Components: Clutch linings are covered for defects in material or workmanship for 24 months or 12,500 miles, whichever comes first. Kia
  • Air Conditioning Refrigerant: Covered for 24 months.
  • Wheel Balance and Steering Alignment: Covered for the first 1,000 miles or one month. Kia
  • Exterior Glass Cracks: Covered for the first 1,000 miles or three months. Kia
  • Corrosion & Perforation: Coverage excludes damage due to misuse, abuse, improper maintenance, or use of non-approved parts. Kia+1Kia+1

Maintenance Requirements​

To maintain warranty validity, it's essential to adhere to the service schedule outlined in your owner's manual. This includes regular servicing at intervals specified by Kia and using approved parts and fluids.Kia

For a comprehensive understanding, you can review the full terms and exclusions on Kia UK's official website: Kia.
 
Guigsy said:
Lol. If you're expecting to have to charge on the go, don't get one of those then! Chademo is getting increasingly rare and it's normally only 50kW. I think the Japanese brands are even further behind than the Europeans.
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Aye, I was just pointing out that not all new cars use CCS. The only slightly good thing about Chademo is that there is a greater chance of a cable being available if you can find one.
 
h8ten said:
Aye, I was just pointing out that not all new cars use CCS. The only slightly good thing about Chademo is that there is a greater chance of a cable being available if you can find one.
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I would say the opposite, they are not installed on all cahrgers, and most new chargers being installed omit Chademo. Where cables are stolen they often don't recconect the Chademo.

Don't buy a Chademo car (or buy a Chademo to CCS adapter, which are now avaialable).

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starquake said:
I would say the opposite, they are not installed on all cahrgers, and most new chargers being installed omit Chademo. Where cables are stolen they often don't recconect the Chademo.

Don't buy a Chademo car (or buy a Chademo to CCS adapter, which are now avaialable).
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Agreed. You can get some really cheap Nissan Leafs second hand now. And it'd be a great run about assuming you never went far from home. But Chademo looks like it's being phased out pretty quickly. Road tripping one in a couple of years time might be difficult.
 
Guigsy said:
Agreed. You can get some really cheap Nissan Leafs second hand now. And it'd be a great run about assuming you never went far from home. But Chademo looks like it's being phased out pretty quickly. Road tripping one in a couple of years time might be difficult.
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Road tripping one now is diffcult (friend has one). However as you say it's perfect for his daily commute and daily charge needs. Just no good for > 120 miles in his case.

His daily use is 80 miles.
 
I haven't read ALL the posts on here.... but what I've read is a bit confusing re charger at home.

We've just installed a Hanchu 15.3kw battery system to go with our solar. This also came with a Gateway as we wanted to be self reliant, incase of a power failure.....not as daft as you may think....look at Aberdeen last year.

Anyway the gateway has various options built into it including an option to connect an EV charger.. but from what I've seen on here some say we can't just install one ? and when we connect with Octopus Energy, they will want to know what charger we have ??

Or have I got this all wrong ?
 
Sorry Lenny HB but I've got rid of my milk float. Despite it's great driving it was just to low for me. I got fed up with banging my head every time I got in or out of it.
 
lunarman said:
Sorry Lenny HB but I've got rid of my milk float. Despite it's great driving it was just to low for me. I got fed up with banging my head every time I got in or out of it.
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Loving mine, bashed my head a couple of times.
I find it a struggle to get out over the seat bolster but the driving experance makes up for it.

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Nice colour, I was wondering when it was going to arrive.
Ps someone’s nicked your motorhome
 
Manic said:
Nice colour, I was wondering when it was going to arrive.
Ps someone’s nicked your motorhome
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Finally picked it up Tuesday before last. The metallic red looks better with a bit of sun on it.

It was getting a bit tight for space down the side of the house.
The Peugeot Partner van is playing up at present, so is at the back out of the way, the Beamer is now not tax or insured, and the MG needs to be next to the charger, so the motorhome is sitting out in front of the house for now, saves having to play musical chair to get the MH out.
 
BusyBuilder said:
I haven't read ALL the posts on here.... but what I've read is a bit confusing re charger at home.

We've just installed a Hanchu 15.3kw battery system to go with our solar. This also came with a Gateway as we wanted to be self reliant, incase of a power failure.....not as daft as you may think....look at Aberdeen last year.

Anyway the gateway has various options built into it including an option to connect an EV charger.. but from what I've seen on here some say we can't just install one ? and when we connect with Octopus Energy, they will want to know what charger we have ??

Or have I got this all wrong ?
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We have Tesla Powerwalls with a Gateway but never bothered to connect it to the EV charger. The Gateway just sees the charger as home consumption. If I notice that solar generation is high I just tell the car remotely to start charging. I keep on eye on the home storage batteries (26.5kwh) and if they start dropping too low I tell the car to stop charging. IMHO keeping things simple is the way to go.
Incidentally our Gateway has the possibility to go “off grid” which we have been doing for the best part of a month now, including charging both our EV’s. So nothing at all taken from the grid but we still have to pay the iniquitous 60 odd p a day standing charge!

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