No Wildcamping anymore in Valencia Province

[68c]

Is this the whole of Spain or just Valencia? Valencia province seems quite a small part of the country.

 

[monzer]

People mention 'a few idiots spoiling it for others' but we are all to blame. There's simply too many motorhomes for most places to cope. I can certainly see it from the residents of some of these places perspective.

 

[walburga]

Anyone at Cullera this Winter? It's only a little south of Valencia so probably affected by this, if it's true.
Will affect lots of the local cafes & bars, and supermarkets..always had a few nights there going south in Feb, and returning north early May.

regards
Allen

 

[138go]

I don’t necessarily agree with wild camping either and wouldn’t mind if facilities were provided - ie ‘aires’ type. That won’t happen though, while CMC and C&CC are so powerful - we use Temporary Holiday Sites when we can, but paying £40 a night at the official campsites is just too expensive in my opinion.

Yes, £40 is too expensive yet the sites always seem to be full. We like the CLs but they can vary considerably. We have a few that we really like and always go back to. £12 a night is generally what we pay.

 

[sciac2001]

Unfortunately money is too scarce in Spain for most village and town authorities to provide French type Aires from their budgets.

This means that it is left to the private entrepreneur to create one which, not unreasonably, results in their over-providing of services - ehu, showers etc - in order to maintain full occupancy for as long as possible and which will come at a highish cost.

In effect these are mini camp-sites and far removed from the traditional French-type short stay overnighting areas which so many of us prefer and which would serve in-transit purposes for both the motorhomer and the locales.

Regrettably, this might also means that official aires will only be found in the more popular areas, leaving the interesting hinterlands - and its more needy communities - out of bounds if these banning moves are repeated nationwide.

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[bobandjanie]

Is this the whole of Spain or just Valencia? Valencia province seems quite a small part of the country.

It's the Valencian Community it affects and before long it will be everywhere you go, we still have them this winter, even though the campsites are empty.
Ìve not read the link at the start of this thread, but one I have read said it's not cut and dry yet, but it will be at some point, and the many motorhome owners and groups have been fighting against it, the trouble with the I'm alright Jack attitude, is driving a wedge between them, I remember years ago the Frenchman having a go telling us the Aires were for them. Bob.

 

[billym]

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I've read it( the English translation) and pretty much don't understand most of it!

 

[billym]

Morocco is nice. No restrictions on wild camping there.

Since the beheading of the two girls in December 2018 the police have been very active in not allowing it

 

[Just smiffy]

There’s still plenty of good official aires/camperstops and even campsite all along that region for 10-18€ a night...

 

[Lenny HB]

Anyone at Cullera this Winter? It's only a little south of Valencia so probably affected by this, if it's true.
Will affect lots of the local cafes & bars, and supermarkets..always had a few nights there going south in Feb, and returning north early May.

regards
Allen

I like Cullera the town will be dead in the winter without the Motorhomes could be the difference between the bars and restaurants surviving or not.

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[gus-lopez]

.sheer weight of numbers of people wanting to do it makes it unsustainable..

& the same applies to sites. Even when they are all full there are dozens & dosens of Mh's with no where to go around here.

and I can understand locals feeling like they have had enough..

Come to our areas of hills ,beaches & walks & it is those locals out in there cars who literally turn the places in to shitehouses.
Up the dam above Lorca , they have turned it literally in to a toilet. There's shite & wet wipes & paper everywhere you look. Can't blame MH's for that.Come to Aldi's in Lorca, parking next to it has hundreds of carrier bags full of rubbish & empty litre beer bottles. that'll be the odd overnighting lorry getting the blame when in fact it is the buses dropping of the field workers who just dump the bags along the side, today & tomorrow & everyday. My wife loses the plot over it .

You also have to remember that Barcelona for many years has been introducing restrictions on toursim as the locals consider there is far ,far too much of it.

Think we are going to have to get used to making use of facilities provided for us to park up in more and more..

Think they'll have to find some more here then because there hundreds more vans about when most sites are full.

r just Valencia

Yes

Morocco is nice. No restrictions on wild camping there.

No boats to or fro either.

 

[Metamorfosis]

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[Lenny HB]

The huge eyesore encampment on the southern end of Cullera was totally gone when I passed through there in October, obviously cleared by the policia with barriers now put up. A few motorhomes were parked up behind Lidl and dotted elsewhere but not the hundreds of vans normally found in Cullera

I'd heard they had reduce the area, have they closed it completely now?

 

[bobandjanie]

I like Cullera the town will be dead in the winter without the Motorhomes could be the difference between the bars and restaurants surviving or not.

That's always been the argument Lenny, we spend in the bars and restaurants well that's not the case at the moment because they are shut, but the motorhomes are still here, camping activity taking place, socialising as if it's just another free camping winter.
Yes Spain needs tourist, but some they could do without not just motorhomes, benidorm hen and stag parties are not over popular, it must be the only place that has English police shipped it to control them.
We went to benidorm a few weeks ago, it was all Spanish on the beach doing keep fit. Bob

 

[Otter Spotter]

Would it apply to privately owned land that you have parked on.

Doubtful as they would not have jurisdiction , but possible planning rules may be used against the landowner

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[nicholsong]

It seems to me that if various regions and an increasing number enforce 'no wildcamping then the campsites will be over-subscribed.

If the campsites are over subscribed they will jack up the prices.

When they jack up the prices either more people will find a way to wildcamp (unless the police come out in force, till they get bored) or the less well off MHomers who cannot afford the higher prices just give up and the commercial balance is restored.

I know that it is the wrong time to ask(because of Covid) but are Aires in Spain and Portugal full except in July and August?

Geoff

 

[ManTheVan]

& the same applies to sites. Even when they are all full there are dozens & dosens of Mh's with no where to go around here.

Come to our areas of hills ,beaches & walks & it is those locals out in there cars who literally turn the places in to shitehouses.
Up the dam above Lorca , they have turned it literally in to a toilet. There's shite & wet wipes & paper everywhere you look. Can't blame MH's for that.Come to Aldi's in Lorca, parking next to it has hundreds of carrier bags full of rubbish & empty litre beer bottles. that'll be the odd overnighting lorry getting the blame when in fact it is the buses dropping of the field workers who just dump the bags along the side, today & tomorrow & everyday. My wife loses the plot over it .

You also have to remember that Barcelona for many years has been introducing restrictions on toursim as the locals consider there is far ,far too much of it.

Think they'll have to find some more here then because there hundreds more vans about when most sites are full.

Yes

No boats to or fro either.

I hope you can influence some of the decision-makers gus-lopez.

 

[Just smiffy]

That's always been the argument Lenny, we spend in the bars and restaurants well that's not the case at the moment because they are shut, but the motorhomes are still here, camping activity taking place, socialising as if it's just another free camping winter.
Yes Spain needs tourist, but some they could do without not just motorhomes, benidorm hen and stag parties are not over popular, it must be the only place that has English police shipped it to control them.
We went to benidorm a few weeks ago, it was all Spanish on the beach doing keep fit. Bob

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Are they playing musical statues.....

 

[jumar]

Is this the whole of Spain or just Valencia? Valencia province seems quite a small part of the country.

For now, Valencia have taken the lead, this will of course move motorhomer's next door, Murcia, where we live, own and use a motorhome.....its only a matter of time before Murcia follows......and if you see what we see its most likely not a bad idea to restrict the current numbers. We have a encampment 30 minutes from here, caravans and motorhomes, been there for months, lovely spot, no water there, some rubbish bins, that's it....now we have been motorhoming since 1994...we have learnt during this time, that you need other services to sustain your stay...
These long stayers, attract casual visitors, some nice units, cost a bob or two, not beat up jobs.....this adds to the sad look to this wonderful part of Murcia....
So if Valencia have done it, will other coastal locations follow, I'll be very suprised if they don't.......this will not force everyone on to campsites, but will be fill the Camperstops and encourage other's to be built, will this be a bad thing, I very much doubt it.....

 

[jumartoo]

I've posted these photos before. Some of our Murcia coast winter regulars. These are the type of campers that are spoiling it for everyone. This particular area isn't upsetting any householders, but it's still not nice to see and to pass through. (The marked mountain bike and a walking route goes right through the "encampment"!!) There is a particular smell all along that stretch . There are usually around 30 different vehicles along that stretch of coastline, ranging from top of the range caravan and 4 x 4 to old caravans, quality motorhomes to lorry conversions. About half of the ones seen on any day are there for the duration! There is a big rubbish bin for the beach and it's usually overflowing with bags stacked all around it.

We like to free park, in fact we're off tomorrow for a couple of nights out. But you'll not find us anywhere along our local coastline.

Edit posted at the same time as jumar, unknowingly

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[EzeeRider]

One option that I’ve seen mentioned before, would be a mass orchestrated move to the Motorcaravaners Club. Surely this would have the eventual means to start to counteract the Caravan Club. Anybody any idea why this doesn’t happen?

The Motorcaravaners Club is fine if you enjoy rallying. They have teamed up with CAMpRA and both are doing their bit to encourage UK Aires to be developed. When I first went to Spain there weren't any Aires at all and I recall a Spanish organisation similar to CAMpRA successfully campaigning for their establishment. Bans on wild camping will only increase the clamour for more Aires and camp stites.
ezee

 

[grasscutter]

Given how many vans are normally wild camping along this coastline it will be interesting to see what sites/area have the capacity to absorb them. It’s been a problem in the past when wilding to find space when a site was needed.

 

[bobandjanie]

You keep hearing ' but they need us and our money ' they did it in Calp and at the time everyone said don't go there boycott it and spend your money somewhere else, well we like to free park like most, but never inclined to park along with the crowds if it can be helped.

Just before Christmas we went to one of the Calp Aires to visit Lil and Trevor bigtree and considering how things have been and are it was quite busy and very nice, and to be honest Calp is a nicer place to be, and most importantly the locals are happy. Bob.

 

[Northern Boy]

I guess its all about where you want to be, warm and sunny and that's why so many from the UK head south, by plane, car, motor home and boat. I was always the same until I discovered 'North'; sailing in the Baltic is amazing, driving in Norway, Sweden, the lake lands of Finland, Estonian Bogs, just extraordinary. Mountains, lakes, fiords, mile (kilometer) after mile of empty roads. Wild camping but beware of bears, lynx, coyote and wolves. Mosquitoes and horse flies, mushrooms and wild berries. Sudden snow in May and June and freezing temperatures and then BOOM its plus 30 C.

Be aware the Aurora Borealis, its untested and atmospheric bombarding space wind and stuff, you will need Aurora cream (like sun cream but for caustic space stuff). Falling pines, raging rivers, broken bridges, human swallowing bogs and mind bending fungus.

And then the summer days are 20 or more hours of daylight, you will not sleep, you will go mad as the sleep deprivation slowly creeps up on you. The multi colored houses will effect your vision and for the too many trees you will not see the wood. Be even more aware of of little men with pointed ears seen wrapping parcels in small wooden houses, there is rumor of an old man with a long white beard. I warn you, be on your guard.

Anyway, don't tell anyone as its a secret part of the world just a short Stena trip away via an hallucinogenic city close to the North sea and then a bridge type tunnel to quicken the heart rate and send words of joy flowing over your tonsils close to a mermaid that is much too small.

And, yet again I know you will not like meatballs, sauerkraut, sausages that taste of processed meat. Deep fried pigs ears, blood sausage, deer pate and moose surprise. The total lack of understanding and impossible ability to find roast beef, John Smiths and yorkshire pudding will finally break you. And if you break; the Vodka can be bought at 80%, don't smoke and drink at the same time!

Don't come here its not safe, I want to keep it for myself as I am trained to deal with all this euphoria and you are not.

 

[jessthedog]

I guess its all about where you want to be, warm and sunny and that's why so many from the UK head south, by plane, car, motor home and boat. I was always the same until I discovered 'North'; sailing in the Baltic is amazing, driving in Norway, Sweden, the lake lands of Finland, Estonian Bogs, just extraordinary. Mountains, lakes, fiords, mile (kilometer) after mile of empty roads. Wild camping but beware of bears, lynx, coyote and wolves. Mosquitoes and horse flies, mushrooms and wild berries. Sudden snow in May and June and freezing temperatures and then BOOM its plus 30 C.

Be aware the Aurora Borealis, its untested and atmospheric bombarding space wind and stuff, you will need Aurora cream (like sun cream but for caustic space stuff). Falling pines, raging rivers, broken bridges, human swallowing bogs and mind bending fungus.

And then the summer days are 20 or more hours of daylight, you will not sleep, you will go mad as the sleep deprivation slowly creeps up on you. The multi colored houses will effect your vision and for the too many trees you will not see the wood. Be even more aware of of little men with pointed ears seen wrapping parcels in small wooden houses, there is rumor of an old man with a long white beard. I warn you, be on your guard.

Anyway, don't tell anyone as its a secret part of the world just a short Stena trip away via an hallucinogenic city close to the North sea and then a bridge type tunnel to quicken the heart rate and send words of joy flowing over your tonsils close to a mermaid that is much too small.

And, yet again I know you will not like meatballs, sauerkraut, sausages that taste of processed meat. Deep fried pigs ears, blood sausage, deer pate and moose surprise. The total lack of understanding and impossible ability to find roast beef, John Smiths and yorkshire pudding will finally break you. And if you break; the Vodka can be bought at 80%, don't smoke and drink at the same time!

Don't come here its not safe, I want to keep it for myself as I am trained to deal with all this euphoria and you are not.

You should be a travel journalist, such a well written piece

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[gpat]

I think many authorities are applying for the 'powers' to fine people for 'wild camping'. It doesn't necessarily mean that they will fine people for wild camping. As an earlier poster points out they are wanting to stop antisocial behaviour in public places. People setting up camp and leaving a mess. I think that well behaved people who simply sleep over (but don't set up camp) may well be ignored.

 

[jumartoo]

I guess its all about where you want to be, warm and sunny and that's why so many from the UK head south, by plane, car, motor home and boat. I was always the same until I discovered 'North'; sailing in the Baltic is amazing, driving in Norway, Sweden, the lake lands of Finland, Estonian Bogs, just extraordinary. Mountains, lakes, fiords, mile (kilometer) after mile of empty roads. Wild camping but beware of bears, lynx, coyote and wolves. Mosquitoes and horse flies, mushrooms and wild berries. Sudden snow in May and June and freezing temperatures and then BOOM its plus 30 C.

Be aware the Aurora Borealis, its untested and atmospheric bombarding space wind and stuff, you will need Aurora cream (like sun cream but for caustic space stuff). Falling pines, raging rivers, broken bridges, human swallowing bogs and mind bending fungus.

And then the summer days are 20 or more hours of daylight, you will not sleep, you will go mad as the sleep deprivation slowly creeps up on you. The multi colored houses will effect your vision and for the too many trees you will not see the wood. Be even more aware of of little men with pointed ears seen wrapping parcels in small wooden houses, there is rumor of an old man with a long white beard. I warn you, be on your guard.

Anyway, don't tell anyone as its a secret part of the world just a short Stena trip away via an hallucinogenic city close to the North sea and then a bridge type tunnel to quicken the heart rate and send words of joy flowing over your tonsils close to a mermaid that is much too small.

And, yet again I know you will not like meatballs, sauerkraut, sausages that taste of processed meat. Deep fried pigs ears, blood sausage, deer pate and moose surprise. The total lack of understanding and impossible ability to find roast beef, John Smiths and yorkshire pudding will finally break you. And if you break; the Vodka can be bought at 80%, don't smoke and drink at the same time!

Don't come here its not safe, I want to keep it for myself as I am trained to deal with all this euphoria and you are not.

Been to Norway, Sweden, Denmark on more than one occasion. Coped with Lutafisk but struggled with half a sheep's head!!!

 

[Littlewheels]

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I know that it is the wrong time to ask(because of Covid) but are Aires in Spain and Portugal full except in July and August?

Geoff

Generally on the Costas the answer would be yes, there are a good number now and numbers are growing,however,the owners open with good intentions and along comes the Dutch,Germans and push them for long stay prices and of course they cannot resist a guaranteed income this results in limited spaces for those that like to move along which is the real purpose of which they are designed, having limited size pitches and facilities etc.

These people are doing great work in Spain encouraging local authorities to open Aires and with good results.
www.areasac.es

 

[billym]

not so. There are several sailings daily for foot and car passengers and COVID regs on entry are minimal.

Where are these boats available from for non Morocco nationals, residents, professionals or traders? ( tourists)

Thanks.

As for wildcamping I believe you have a car with a tent on top and you would be able to access more remote deserted places than the average motorhomes

 

[pjay]

Maybe it does not apply to motorhomes after all.....

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