Niesmann+Bischoff Arto on Mercedes for 2025

[funflair]

As per title the new N+B Arto has just been launched, predictably it has followed the styling of the iSmove and the Flair and could possiblt be a bit Marmite.

Arto – Kompakte Reisemobile I NIESMANN+BISCHOFF

Der Arto, unser elegantes Reisemobil, vereint das Design kompakter Wohnmobile mit der Funktion von Campingmobilen. Erlebe es mit Niesmann & Bischoff.

www.niesmann-bischoff.com

 

[lorger]

I’ve always liked these vans due to the styling and these look just as good.

 

[Ridgeway]

Yes heard it was coming a while back. Our NiBi dealer said that after the long delays on the fiat chassis 2020 onwards and then the anyway planned upgrade that N&B took the chance to switch to MB, that and MB now having a suitable chassis for the now 9m Arto

The bottom lockers (Flair style) look good and I’m pretty sure they‘re added (after long requests) to add external access doors to the underbed wardrobes

 

[funflair]

I’ve always liked these vans due to the styling and these look just as good.

Externally for sure I think they build some of the best looking A class vans on the market, internally I have not been impressed by these new styles.

Yes heard it was coming a while back. Our NiBi dealer said that after the long delays on the fiat chassis 2020 onwards and then the anyway planned upgrade that N&B took the chance to switch to MB, that and MB now having a suitable chassis for the now 9m Arto

The bottom lockers (Flair style) look good and I’m pretty sure they‘re added (after long requests) to add external access doors to the underbed wardrobes

Ah OK I didn't realise that the current Arto didn't have these lockers, might be a hands and knees job on the lower MB chassis though.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Nice, but Front Wheel Drive ?

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[Littlewheels]

Nice and very Smoove

 

[funflair]

Nice, but Front Wheel Drive ?

Flair very similar styling but rear wheel drive

 

[EuroTrotters]

Flair very similar styling but rear wheel drive

No more V6 though

 

[funflair]

No more V6 though

No the Flair is IVECO 4 cylinder with ZF 8 speed a good package I think and better chassis with more payload than the Merc.

 

[TinaLes]

Always loved the clean lines of N&B vans, best looking in the market IMHO, Front & Backs are beautiful.
Just looking at the new Arto 78 as I wouldn't want a tag axel or anything longer than 7Mtrs ideally, I am so disappointed in the interior overall look & colour scheme, it seems to be more like an office than a home, emphasised even more by those Grey wall panels, and dark grey cabinetry edges.
I feel either a chrome strip insert or even a bevelled front to the cabinet fronts rather than flat, with MFI looking veneers (remember them?) would so less modular/officy looking.

So I would ideally like an N&B Body on a Merc Chassis, with a 2024 Carthago style interior.

I dare not look at new delivery prices as they will well out of my league, but good luck to those that can afford one in this day & age.
LES

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[lorger]

Externally for sure I think they build some of the best looking A class vans on the market, internally I have not been impressed by these new styles.

Yes have to admit I didn’t like some of the Smove vans I seen in, a French guy we got talking to on an Aire had a big N&B not sure the model but it was lovely inside.

 

[haganap]

I wouldn't touch one until they improve their UK network of dealers.

To be honest, don't like it to much either.

 

[Al n Val]

So any idea what the 78 delivery price might be with all the boxes ticked
and are they only available from the EH centre

 

[funflair]

So any idea what the 78 delivery price might be with all the boxes ticked
and are they only available from the EH centre

I will guess around £200k but could be wrong as I haven't looked at any N+B prices for a long time, and yes it would be TW EH centre or import yourself as far as I know.

Here you go Al n Val have fun. https://www.niesmann-bischoff.com/w...isten/niesmann-bischoff-arto-pricelist-UK.pdf

 

[Al n Val]

I will guess around £200k but could be wrong as I haven't looked at any N+B prices for a long time, and yes it would be TW EH centre or import yourself as far as I know.

Here you go Al n Val have fun. https://www.niesmann-bischoff.com/w...isten/niesmann-bischoff-arto-pricelist-UK.pdf

the pack prices are mental, lithium and colour pack are just crazy

£10,500 for a crap colour change is just ridiculous

Thanks but no thanks

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[flyboyprowler]

We have just upgraded our solar on the Flair, and gone lithium with A/C in the rear locker. Interestingly, the wiring mostly had to be replaced as suitable for the standard fit, the new electrics needed a much heavier system. Also, despite having the pre-fit for the A/C when new, none of the ducting pipes were connected, which involved extra cost and wiring. Not impressed

We love our Flair but have to say that under the skin, there is a lot missing for the price you pay. Would I have another, most probably yes, as reliability and longevity have been good.

 

[CazPaul]

2 models of the new Arto 78 and 88

They call the 78 compact? Surely part of the future is building smaller vans, better mpg, more manoeuvrability, over 20 years ago they had an Arto A class 59G very compact.

Same with Concorde early 2000s they had a 5.99 metre A class, albeit on a Fiat, now it’s just huge ones they build.

I must be the outdated one mind as if there was demand they would surely build them.

 

[nicholsong]

2 models of the new Arto 78 and 88

They call the 78 compact? Surely part of the future is building smaller vans, better mpg, more manoeuvrability, over 20 years ago they had an Arto A class 59G very compact.

Same with Concorde early 2000s they had a 5.99 metre A class, albeit on a Fiat, now it’s just huge ones they build.

I must be the outdated one mind as if there was demand they would surely build them.

A couple of years ago I was enquiring about Arto island bed models, particularly the 8m. They said they had discontinued it, despite it still being in the on-line brochure. So I suppose offering the new Arto 78 is a sort of reverting to smaller. It is not an island bed but it is fore-aft, allowing either person to exit easily.

Even 8m would be tight to get round the 'S-bend' entrance to our yard: 9m impossible.

 

[Aspenshaw]

We had an Arto 59S for 5 years from new in February 2000. Went to the factory at Polch afterwards. Only changed the Arto because we were looking something to celebrate our silver wedding. We had two boys and a dog in the 608m. It remains the favourite of all the family, except the dead dog. Went to the factory after. Still have the 'Die Modellreihe 2000' (model series I think). We changed it to a Hymer 544.

 

[nicholsong]

We had an Arto 59S for 5 years from new in February 2000. Went to the factory at Polch afterwards. Only changed the Arto because we were looking something to celebrate our silver wedding. We had two boys and a dog in the 608m. It remains the favourite of all the family, except the dead dog. Went to the factory after. Still have the 'Die Modellreihe 2000' (model series I think). We changed it to a Hymer 544.

Why?

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[sciac2001]

Will see it at the Dusseldorf Show.
(Not that I’m in the market tor a replacement.)

 

[Dutch 68]

Nice trailer behind it and off you go lol

 

[Aspenshaw]

Why?

The 544 was bigger and the boys were getting bigger. The N&B dealer also said that the 544 held its value better than the Arto - and it had no Artos to sell at the time!

 

[nicholsong]

The 544 was bigger and the boys were getting bigger. The N&B dealer also said that the 544 held its value better than the Arto - and it had no Artos to sell at the time!

Now I understand

 

[Ridgeway]

The launch video here (with subtitles):

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[Mzracer]

The launch video here (with subtitles):

Yes that is going to be £200K when fitted out. Looking at the price list they certainly know how to charge for the extras !!

 

[pelican]

Always loved the clean lines of N&B vans, best looking in the market IMHO, Front & Backs are beautiful.
Just looking at the new Arto 78 as I wouldn't want a tag axel or anything longer than 7Mtrs ideally, I am so disappointed in the interior overall look & colour scheme, it seems to be more like an office than a home, emphasised even more by those Grey wall panels, and dark grey cabinetry edges.
I feel either a chrome strip insert or even a bevelled front to the cabinet fronts rather than flat, with MFI looking veneers (remember them?) would so less modular/officy looking.

So I would ideally like an N&B Body on a Merc Chassis, with a 2024 Carthago style interior.

I dare not look at new delivery prices as they will well out of my league, but good luck to those that can afford one in this day & age.
LES

Got to have a bit of blinge!
Well I can't get the website open so I for one will not be buying one.