Nice Morelo for sale near Me ! is it anyone on here?

[funflair]

yes, very different.. ideal for living in.. especially as a family of four.. we all had good beds and our own space..

No garage, but with basement storage, some of it side to side,.. you don't require one, and load is evenly spread along the chassis.

.. however, we bought a box trailer to carry my son's motorcycle and our pedal cycles.. it was used like a small shed on site.

That's the point though, basement "storage" is exactly that and not really any good for motorcycles or full size pedal bikes even as you demonstrated by towing a trailer.

 

[Littlewheels]

all that aside though the lack of garage would kill it for me.

And that’s the rub with all RV’s from what l can tell no proper accessible storage from outside along with they are still mainly a wooden construction and look extremely dated internally with household type furniture.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Indeed , and an RV no longer suits us..

I do like German vans , my last one was a Hymer B644 .. also had a Hymer Nova caravan

We have a B654 and A Nova 470 !

 

[WESTY66]

I often pass the house ! dreaming of buying it

Thank yourself lucky you don’t have to pass the Morelo dealers twice everyday like I do!!

 

[EuroTrotters]

Thank yourself lucky you don’t have to pass the Morelo dealers twice everyday like I do!!

Most of the time I pass it these days. Mrs Et is driving me to Hospital !

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[jongood]

Technically correct (a lot less money probably), but for me, I would choose quality over quantity every time.

Dont get me wrong - I think Morelo have a very good product but I do think they frequently let themselves down on the chassis choices, Unless you go for the Liners they're mostly Daily with the upgrade being a Eurocargo .
Going over 8m on a daily chassis is a big ask, especially on the lighter one such as this but then to go max width and max height and then charge top dollar plus. I do think the RVs offer a better choice of chassis choices but yes agree with you about the fit and finish and lack of garage.

 

[funflair]

Dont get me wrong - I think Morelo have a very good product but I do think they frequently let themselves down on the chassis choices, Unless you go for the Liners they're mostly Daily with the upgrade being a Eurocargo .
Going over 8m on a daily chassis is a big ask, especially on the lighter one such as this but then to go max width and max height and then charge top dollar plus. I do think the RVs offer a better choice of chassis choices but yes agree with you about the fit and finish and lack of garage.

They stick mostly with the Daily chassis because that is what people want on the whole due to licence restrictions amongst other reasons, you say "let themselves down on chassis choice" but that is exactly what they give "choice" yes the Home is on the lightweight but it keeps the weight down I guess and you can still have the same 3 litre and auto box (OK you don't want the auto ) so smaller van and lighter weight performs well. The Loft and especially Palace range can get a bit heavy the bigger you go and depending on how far you go ticking options as there are a few weightly ones but there is the choice of Eurocargo in 4 or 6 cylinder or the Mercedes Atego is there, most people spec the Daily though, my understanding is that the new Eurocargo 4 cylinder will get the ZF 8HP box from Daily so we need to see how that goes down but my guess is that Daily at 7.4t will still win the choice test.

 

[Paul F]

Dont get me wrong - I think Morelo have a very good product but I do think they frequently let themselves down on the chassis choices, Unless you go for the Liners they're mostly Daily with the upgrade being a Eurocargo .
Going over 8m on a daily chassis is a big ask, especially on the lighter one such as this but then to go max width and max height and then charge top dollar plus. I do think the RVs offer a better choice of chassis choices but yes agree with you about the fit and finish and lack of garage.

Yes, I have to admit that I would prefer a choice of chassis but I am not aware of a viable european alternative. As the ‘smaller’ Morelo’s mostly run right up to 7500kg they are limited in what they can use. I think that only the Daily chassis works at that weight.

The Eurocargo chassis is only an option on the Loft Liner and Palace Liner but then you are over the magic 7500Kg and need a Cat C licence. (I think there may be one 7500Kg Eurocargo option on the Loft Liner but not the Palace). If I was moving to a heavier weight then I would probably opt for the Mercedes chassis anyway…and then you are in to the grounds of a true like for like comparison with much of the US RV market.

 

[funflair]

Yes, I have to admit that I would prefer a choice of chassis but I am not aware of a viable european alternative. As the ‘smaller’ Morelo’s mostly run right up to 7500kg they are limited in what they can use. I think that only the Daily chassis works at that weight.

The Eurocargo chassis is only an option on the Loft Liner and Palace Liner but then you are over the magic 7500Kg and need a Cat C licence. (I think there may be one 7500Kg Eurocargo option on the Loft Liner but not the Palace). If I was moving to a heavier weight then I would probably opt for the Mercedes chassis anyway…and then you are in to the grounds of a true like for like comparison with much of the US RV market.

I think you can have the Eurocargo option at 7.49t right through the Loft range except for the car garage version, how much payload is then the next question but that does depend on the options list, we put about 1000kg on our Palace but there are things that you wouldn't or couldn't spec on the Eurocargo version so I think it is workable on the shorter chassis.

 

[jongood]

I think you can have the Eurocargo option at 7.49t right through the Loft range except for the car garage version, how much payload is then the next question but that does depend on the options list, we put about 1000kg on our Palace but there are things that you wouldn't or couldn't spec on the Eurocargo version so I think it is workable on the shorter chassis.

But only the 4 cylinder, which as you know Martin is the agricultural alternative. I really find it hard to understand why people are so reluctant to get a C licence, many of them would in fact benefit from the extra training and then a whole new world opens up.

Paul F There are better chassis options out there but similarly to the 3.5t break difficult to achieve at 7.5t. IMO if the market was tougher then the manufacturers would have to explore making their products more attractive which would be no bad thing.

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[Paul F]

how much payload is then the next question

Exactly Martin......heavier (lorry) chassis = less payload. Interesting that the Eurocargo option at 7.49t is not available on the Palace and it may be that the extra bits and bobs fitted on the Palace would leave no realistic payload.

I think the Daily chassis ticks the boxes which is why Morelo, Concorde, Dethleffs, RS and others all use it.

Going over 8m on a daily chassis is a big ask

I think the weight is more significant than the length, and agree that 7.49t on a van chassis seems like a lot. However, Daily panel vans run at 7.2t gross and that chassis is used in all sorts of applications other than motorhomes utilising the full load capacity. I have only seen the The Fiat or Mercedes chassis (with Al-Ko) used up to about 5.8t so I really dont think there is a suitable alternative.

 

[Paul F]

I really find it hard to understand why people are so reluctant to get a C licence, many of them would in fact benefit from the extra training and then a whole new world opens up.

Agreed. Planning on getting my Cat C in readiness for upgrading the Palace to a Palace Liner on a Mercedes chassis in a couple of years. All the worries about payload then disappear overnight!

 

[jongood]

I think the weight is more significant than the length, and agree that 7.49t on a van chassis seems like a lot. However, Daily panel vans run at 7.2t gross and that chassis is used in all sorts of applications other than motorhomes utilising the full load capacity. I have only seen the The Fiat or Mercedes chassis (with Al-Ko) used up to about 5.8t so I really dont think there is a suitable alternative.

The problem IMV is not just the weight its also the bulk. A daily is a light truck, designed to have a 4m ish box body on it at around 3m tall and its not always at full weight.

A truck such as TGL/Atego are designed to have a 2.4 metre wide much taller and longer body on them, so the Chassis are thicker and deeper and the engines have different torque characteristics. Of course the EuroCargo is the same but its rarely the choice of the discerning truck buyer.

You can get a MH under 7.5 t on a MAN or Atego chassis but you have to go to Phoenix or Vario for it. I understand why Morelo/Concorde/N&B are happy at getting away with speccing and selling Daily Chassied variants but think if the market was tougher they would be trying harder.

 

[funflair]

But only the 4 cylinder, which as you know Martin is the agricultural alternative. I really find it hard to understand why people are so reluctant to get a C licence, many of them would in fact benefit from the extra training and then a whole new world opens up.

Paul F There are better chassis options out there but similarly to the 3.5t break difficult to achieve at 7.5t. IMO if the market was tougher then the manufacturers would have to explore making their products more attractive which would be no bad thing.

I think basically because "we don't need to" plus if we bought new over 7500kg it would take more selling if we wanted to as not many have the C, catch 22 really.

I still want a go in a 4cyl one and the ZF would make it better I think with the smoother gear change, talking with a few people that have or have driven the Loft sub 7.5t 4 cyl they say that the drive is "different but nice" noisier at standstill but OK on the move.

 

[stewartwebr]

The option of Eurocargo has now been dropped in the Palace Liner range. Previously, you could select the Eurocargo or Atego. From 2024 Palace Liners are only available on the Mercedes Atego. The Eurocargo is still available on the Loft Liner range.

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[Carpmart]

There is a good bit of difference in Iveco chassis between various weight models. As soon as you are at 7T model, unsurprisingly it’s quite significant bits of steel forming the chassis, (looks very robust to me when under mine) but then it needs to be..

 

[jongood]

I think basically because "we don't need to" plus if we bought new over 7500kg it would take more selling if we wanted to as not many have the C, catch 22 really.

I still want a go in a 4cyl one and the ZF would make it better I think with the smoother gear change, talking with a few people that have or have driven the Loft sub 7.5t 4 cyl they say that the drive is "different but nice" noisier at standstill but OK on the move.

I would still expect even a 4 cylinder tgl or atego to be a nicer drive than the EC but 6 cylinder is another level. For 300k shouldn't one expect something better?

 

[funflair]

The problem IMV is not just the weight its also the bulk. A daily is a light truck, designed to have a 4m ish box body on it at around 3m tall and its not always at full weight.

A truck such as TGL/Atego are designed to have a 2.4 metre wide much taller and longer body on them, so the Chassis are thicker and deeper and the engines have different torque characteristics. Of course the EuroCargo is the same but its rarely the choice of the discerning truck buyer.

You can get a MH under 7.5 t on a MAN or Atego chassis but you have to go to Phoenix or Vario for it. I understand why Morelo/Concorde/N&B are happy at getting away with speccing and selling Daily Chassied variants but think if the market was tougher they would be trying harder.

I think the Daily chassis is well capable of up to 7500kg especially when you take some of the options, full and active air takes out any roll and pitch so negates a lot of the bulk/height of the body issues, the Telma is a brilliant addition to the standard brakes which yes you might be asking a lot of fully loaded, the engine OK could use a bit more torque but mated to the ZF 8 speed it revs nicely and makes enough power to get a shift on.

The other issue with the C licence which I didn't mention before is that if you have a partner who is prepared to drive if needs be then they must also take the test of course.

You got me looking at the Vario web site again you really shouldn't do this to me Jon, the Star which is the only one you would sensibly run at below 7500kg is only available on MAN now starting at 6500kg we couldn't afford any options so that would be OK quite useable at 2.33 wide 8.25 long and only 3.4 tall, the Perfect can be on thy Atego but heavier, I wonder if I can talk Jen into a Star on the basis that it is narrower and shorter than the Palace now that she is driving (worth a try next year if we make Dusseldorf)

 

[jongood]

I think the Daily chassis is well capable of up to 7500kg especially when you take some of the options, full and active air takes out any roll and pitch so negates a lot of the bulk/height of the body issues, the Telma is a brilliant addition to the standard brakes which yes you might be asking a lot of fully loaded, the engine OK could use a bit more torque but mated to the ZF 8 speed it revs nicely and makes enough power to get a shift on.

The other issue with the C licence which I didn't mention before is that if you have a partner who is prepared to drive if needs be then they must also take the test of course.

You got me looking at the Vario web site again you really shouldn't do this to me Jon, the Star which is the only one you would sensibly run at below 7500kg is only available on MAN now starting at 6500kg we couldn't afford any options so that would be OK quite useable at 2.33 wide 8.25 long and only 3.4 tall, the Perfect can be on thy Atego but heavier, I wonder if I can talk Jen into a Star on the basis that it is narrower and shorter than the Palace now that she is driving (worth a try next year if we make Dusseldorf)

Now I could be tempted to a new vario

 

[funflair]

I would still expect even a 4 cylinder tgl or atego to be a nicer drive than the EC but 6 cylinder is another level. For 300k shouldn't one expect something better?

That was a question I was going to ask, are MAN full torque converter?, forget 6 cylinder as we are not doing our C , expectation and reality are two different things, £300k you would struggle to get anything new on the Daily now, closer to £600k for a entry level Vario

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[funflair]

Now I could be tempted to a new vario

#ME TOO not sure I could wait 3 years though

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

#ME TOO not sure I could wait 3 years though

Lucky you don’t play snooker then, watching a think on YouTube about the place in England that makes the cues and they have a 7 year wait for a top of the range one

 

[jongood]

#ME TOO not sure I could wait 3 years though

I meant new as in Newer. I dont need to buy new new at 7500kgs + plenty of good mhs around. and still dont want all the electronic rubbish and
Im not as patient as you Martin.

That was a question I was going to ask, are MAN full torque converter?, forget 6 cylinder as we are not doing our C , expectation and reality are two different things, £300k you would struggle to get anything new on the Daily now, closer to £600k for a entry level Vario

Ok for £300k + I still want something more than a Daily chassis

 

[Dutch 68]

Exactl

But only the 4 cylinder, which as you know Martin is the agricultural alternative. I really find it hard to understand why people are so reluctant to get a C licence, many of them would in fact benefit from the extra training and then a whole new world opens up.

Paul F There are better chassis options out there but similarly to the 3.5t break difficult to achieve at 7.5t. IMO if the market was tougher then the manufacturers would have to explore making their products more attractive which would be no bad thing

Exactly that, people spend hundreds of thousands on vans so you might as well do yourself a huge favour and fork out for a class C license, they would also be much better suited to drive the bigger vehicle afterwards, and when you actually have driven a Proper HGV chassis you would not want to go back to a van chassis ever again, so much more comfortable, safer and more reliable

 

[Coastal Cruiser.]

Exactl

Exactly that, people spend hundreds of thousands on vans so you might as well do yourself a huge favour and fork out for a class C license, they would also be much better suited to drive the bigger vehicle afterwards, and when you actually have driven a Proper HGV chassis you would not want to go back to a van chassis ever again, so much more comfortable, safer and more reliable

Had mine for 3 years and 20k miles, very happy and comfortable driving it and touch wood it’s run like a Swiss watch
It’s had a hard life with lots of the Alps ever trip and still pulls well!

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[Dutch 68]

Had mine for 3 years and 20k miles, very happy and comfortable driving it and touch wood it’s run like a Swiss watch
It’s had a hard life with lots of the Alps ever trip and still pulls well!

Pleased your happy with it, I am sure you would be happy in an Actros based one too

 

[VXman]

1st owner must have lost a reasonable amount on that selling after less than a year. Unless they ordered it pre the post COVID price hikes.

What's the price of a brand new one of those today?

 

[funflair]

1st owner must have lost a reasonable amount on that selling after less than a year. Unless they ordered it pre the post COVID price hikes.

What's the price of a brand new one of those today?

It really depends on spec but I would hope/think not much more than £250k starting price is €191,500 in 2024 price list

 

[Carpmart]

Sounds like it’s Grand Empires all round then….

 

[Paul F]

1st owner must have lost a reasonable amount on that selling after less than a year. Unless they ordered it pre the post COVID price hikes.

All depends how much commission Motorhome Depot are taking I think - quite a chunk of the screen price I suspect!

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