New UK aires company has started up

GJH said:
If facts get up people's noses then tough because people need to know the facts whether they like them or not.
I'm sure I get up people's noses when I criticise littering and fly tipping (one of my pet hates) as well, because they don't like being caught out.
One of the problems with this country is that too many people simply assume they can do what they like, when and where they like, despite legal restrictions and with no regard to the effect on others.
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In my opinion which no one takes any notice of anyway, all these new website things are just in it for the quick buck, and as soon as things get back to normal and everyone is back in France you won't see them for dust.
Quoteing some obscure 1960s legislation at them won't bother them in the slightest because they will be gone before anything is done.
No, what I see is they are doing damage to any chance of getting parking on car parks and similar places, councils will see these places and say you have enough.
This includes campra as well , they are all out of it for the money, not to get genuine Aires and soon it will be up to £20 a night for nothing.
Might just as well stick to campsites.
I am not saying this for myself as I will be out of it in a couple of years but just the future for younger people.
 
Calm Seas said:
The consequences of which could be, that places where you can currently stay for 'free'ish' like pubs (so long as you have a meal e.t.c.) will sign up, giving us LESS choice of places to stay when theres already not enough.
Id rather pay £10-£20 to a pub and get that back off the bar bill, than pay these schemes £15 and still have to pay my bar bill.

Sounds like bad news and just another exploitation of motorhomers for profit rather than actually addressing the problem of there not being enough facilities in this country.

My thoughts are it should be actively boycotted so these cash grab schemes fail and PROPER facilities have to be offered in return for payment.
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Sorry that's almost what I was meaning in my last post but you beat me to it while I was typing.
 
pandas said:
I believe they said the same sort of things about the arrival of the internal combustion engine, the railways, introduction of the television to name but a few. Not in the same league I know.
Some have the gumption to be entrepreneurial-some just sit back and take a pop.
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Pointing out the negatives is as important as pointing out the positives. And just to let you know, I am a successful entrepreneur, too :D
 
The director of this UK Aires is probably now also working on a new business model to resell petrol at a profit "to help with the current situation" too.
Entrepreneurial to spot an opportunity in the market to make money and exploit it, yes. Improving the situation? Probably not.
 
GJH said:
One of the problems with this country is that too many people simply assume they can do what they like, when and where they like, despite legal restrictions and with no regard to the effect on others.
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I think that the problem relating to the aires scheme is that the legislation in the UK is way out of date and needs to be updated from the current Act which dates back to the issues surrounding people living in caravans in 1959.

In europe and many other countries aires schemes operate successfully. In the risk-averse EU there are literally thousands of places to stop either free of charge or for very little. I don't understand why we can't operate in the same way in the UK.

Things have changed since 1959 - the legislation is decades out of date and doesn't reflect the needs of today's motorhome travellers. As we all know, motorhomes are not caravans!

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I don’t know much about the details or facts so I won’t guess what is going on
 
I was wondering where the money you pay goes and found this on their website

“We pay the Aires a commission with your £15.00”

So no telling how much the business gets.

I know on a lot of payed French Aires it’s usually the Mayor or somebody who works for him collects the fee and you know it’s going to the community.

I think I will stick to using CL/CS and pay maybe £12 with ehu ( as I am now) or even do to £5 without ehu.( I know we have to belong to CMC or CCC to use these)
 
I don't feel at all comfortable with the concept, Aires should be open to all, no subscripiton of any kind should be required. that is why I will continue to support CAMpRA and will not be joining.
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Southdowners said:
I think that the problem relating to the aires scheme is that the legislation in the UK is way out of date and needs to be updated from the current Act which dates back to the issues surrounding people living in caravans in 1959.

In europe and many other countries aires schemes operate successfully. In the risk-averse EU there are literally thousands of places to stop either free of charge or for very little. I don't understand why we can't operate in the same way in the UK.

Things have changed since 1959 - the legislation is decades out of date and doesn't reflect the needs of today's motorhome travellers. As we all know, motorhomes are not caravans!
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As I have pointed out before, the assertion that the legislation in the UK is way out of date and needs to be updated is totally wrong. The initial Act may have been passed in 1960 but it has been examined, and revised where deemed necessary, by parliament on a number of occasions in the intervening years.

There are many reasons for the differences between the UK and EU, not just the legislation, which have been discussed on numerous occasions and can be found by anyone searching old threads if they want the facts.

Legislation is not passed by parliament to serve the needs of a particular group. Rather, it is passed to serve the needs of the population as a whole and seeks to control the effects on the wider population of the activities of particular groups. It is, of course, perfectly acceptable for anyone to lobby their MP and/or the responsible Minister to try to have legislation amended.

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Phil 748 said:
Just looked the sites list and this one of them

The Bees’ Knees​

  • Laneham Riding Centre, Main St, Laneham, Retford DN22 0NA, UK
  • 4 Parking Spaces Available
  • Arrival time: Anytime
Quirky little village pub with proper homemade food. Seven cask ales plus craft ales, lagers and ciders. 100+ gins including our very own !
Dogs and children welcome. ‘Live’ jazz first Sunday of every month.

Facilities​


  • Chemical Toilet Disposal Point

  • Food Available

  • Fresh Water Available

  • Grey Waste Disposal Point

  • Toilets Available

  • Wifi Available


Terms of Use
Laneham Riding Centre, Main St, Laneham, Retford DN22 0NA, UK

Location Features​

  • Rural Location

Local Area Features / Attractions​

Sundown Adventure Land
North Leverton Working Windmill
Half a mile from River Trent


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£15.00per night
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Is the Bee's Knees part of the New UK-Aires app? Because as far as I know it's a Britstop
 
Is it just me, or is the £15 a night not obvious in the web site? It is on the page about how UK Aire works - but as a question "I've just paid membership, why do I have to pay to stay at an Aire too?" That sort of implies that it is obvious somewhere else on the site. I may have missed it.
That same page, by the way, refers to "three directors" and teams of staff.
I shall be really interested to see how their early members get on, and also what we hear from BritStops.
 
hja said:
Is it just me, or is the £15 a night not obvious in the web site? It is on the page about how UK Aire works - but as a question "I've just paid membership, why do I have to pay to stay at an Aire too?" That sort of implies that it is obvious somewhere else on the site. I may have missed it.
That same page, by the way, refers to "three directors" and teams of staff.
I shall be really interested to see how their early members get on, and also what we hear from BritStops.
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Until someone has been to one we won't really know what it's like, but this afternoon with the rain stopping anything outside I have been looking around this web site, and it does seem to have been cobbled together, and no mention about what happens if others are on the camp site.
The example they have has all facilities, and 27 spaces , well surely that place isn't just set up for this outfit to fill them.
 
chaser said:
Until someone has been to one we won't really know what it's like, but this afternoon with the rain stopping anything outside I have been looking around this web site, and it does seem to have been cobbled together, and no mention about what happens if others are on the camp site.
The example they have has all facilities, and 27 spaces , well surely that place isn't just set up for this outfit to fill them.
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I have also tried googling them but can't find a mention so don't know where their customers are coming from.
 
chaser said:
I have also tried googling them but can't find a mention so don't know where their customers are coming from.
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Yes I tried googling but got nothing, had to use the link in first post
 
GJH said:
One of the problems with this country is that too many people simply assume they can do what they like, when and where they like, despite legal restrictions and with no regard to the effect on others.
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Now you are talking l am sure this won’t get up anyone’s nose.

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Now then.
Don't know if you have all seen this, only found it by Googling for this other lot.
I am not pushing this or anything else and I havnt checked anything, but it seems to have everything they have and loads more, all on line and free, but you do have to pay at some of the sites.
Ignore the download thing that comes up just scroll down to the bottom.

Motorhome Stopover Listing

A listing of officially recognised motorhome overnight parking stopovers in the UK and Ireland
www.ukmotorhomes.net www.ukmotorhomes.net
 
chaser said:
Now then.
Don't know if you have all seen this, only found it by Googling for this other lot.
I am not pushing this or anything else and I havnt checked anything, but it seems to have everything they have and loads more, all on line and free, but you do have to pay at some of the sites.
Ignore the download thing that comes up just scroll down to the bottom.

Motorhome Stopover Listing

A listing of officially recognised motorhome overnight parking stopovers in the UK and Ireland
www.ukmotorhomes.net www.ukmotorhomes.net
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I have posted about Andy's great site several times in the past few years.
All the "stopovers" he lists are fully legal.

Incidentally, Andy's summary of the 1960 Act comes to the same conclusions as mine so perhaps I am not talking rubbish after all ::bigsmile:
 
GJH said:
As I have pointed out before, the assertion that the legislation in the UK is way out of date and needs to be updated is totally wrong. The initial Act may have been passed in 1960 but it has been examined, and revised where deemed necessary, by parliament on a number of occasions in the intervening years.

There are many reasons for the differences between the UK and EU, not just the legislation, which have been discussed on numerous occasions and can be found by anyone searching old threads if they want the facts.

Legislation is not passed by parliament to serve the needs of a particular group. Rather, it is passed to serve the needs of the population as a whole and seeks to control the effects on the wider population of the activities of particular groups. It is, of course, perfectly acceptable for anyone to lobby their MP and/or the responsible Minister to try to have legislation amended.
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Perhaps you can answer the following...

You say that there are many reasons for the differences between the UK and the EU. Bearing in mind that the EU is totally risk averse, can you explain what the differences are between the UK and the EU with regard to their stance on aires/stelplatz, etc?

The EU and most other countries are happy to have aires, stellplatz, etc why not the UK?

I don't think anyone is saying that we should ride roughshod over the population as a whole. Can you explain why the needs of the general population would be affected in a detrimental way by having aires?
 
Southdowners said:
Perhaps you can answer the following...

You say that there are many reasons for the differences between the UK and the EU. Bearing in mind that the EU is totally risk averse, can you explain what the differences are between the UK and the EU with regard to their stance on aires/stelplatz, etc?

The EU and most other countries are happy to have aires, stellplatz, etc why not the UK?

I don't think anyone is saying that we should ride roughshod over the population as a whole. Can you explain why the needs of the general population would be affected in a detrimental way by having aires?
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It sounds like you're trying to open up a very contentious debate. Not a very good idea and probably one best left alone. I suspect you already know that, though :)

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Why very contentious? Why probably best left alone? Why not a good idea?

GJH has made statements - he's clearly well versed in the 1960 Act... he can surely answer my questions with no problem.
 
Southdowners said:
Why very contentious? Why probably best left alone? Why not a good idea?

GJH has made statements - he's clearly well versed in the 1960 Act... he can surely answer my questions with no problem.
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As I said above, I suspect you know why. Aside from that, this is a very nice forum, where people help each other and share a laugh. It would be a shame to turn it into a divisive and argumentative forum, don't you think? :)
 
irnbru said:
I’m all for CAMPRA but sadly a lot of the sites that’s popping up are £10 per night with NO facilities. I’m not willing to pay that when I can park in a wilding spot for free. If they were offering services for the £10 then that’s a different matter. I sometimes think we are creating a rod for our own back by supporting these non serviced sites at £10. Happy to pay £10 with toilet dump though.
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Yes i agree and i was duly banned from the campra group for saying similar. I also object to them approaching councils in towns where motorhomes have been welcome for years and offering to pay a fee ... Arbroath being one of them .... motorhomes have always been welcome there as they know most use the chipshops, buy fish etc

Paying over the odds for a carpark with no services is not the type of aires most want. As such im unlikely ever to use them.
 
HKF said:
It sounds like you're trying to open up a very contentious debate. Not a very good idea and probably one best left alone. I suspect you already know that, though :)
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Pot kettle black
 
GJH said:
I have posted about Andy's great site several times in the past few years.
All the "stopovers" he lists are fully legal.

Incidentally, Andy's summary of the 1960 Act comes to the same conclusions as mine so perhaps I am not talking rubbish after all ::bigsmile:
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Right, if you think this site is above board, shouldn't we push it because it seems to have everything these other firms have and it's free and online.

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