New Aire-anyone fancy investing?

[Phileas Fogg]

I'm talking lorry loads not bulk bags, but try your local quarry if you've got a decent trailer. Bulk bags are such a ripoff

Bulk bags of gravel B&Q 790KGS just over £100
Better quality from the local quarry, 1000kgs £6! That'll be £94 for the bag then?

On topic maybe we should all send a message of congratulations for using their initiative and relevant input to this group!

 

[bigtwin]

On topic maybe we should all send a message of congratulations for using their initiative and relevant input to this group!

I’m not entirely clear what you’re suggesting but part of what you’ve written could easily be considered to be condescending; I’m sure that wasn’t your intention though.

Ian

 

[Ivory55]

Different ball game when its structural. Mot is about £10/tonne. Sounds like they're being too ambitious, does arisaig need bespoke parking for 30 mhs with facilities block? Cant they just re mark an existing car park? There's certainly scope for that here in Shrewsbury. Fair play for trying though.

If you can supply type 1 for £10 a ton you could earn a few Bob.

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[DBK]

Sounds like a good project. I've responded offering a contribution.

Those chewing over the costs of the project don't know it may be on an A road but it is single track in places with passing places and a long way from Jewsons.

 

[Ivory55]

Sounds like a good project. I've responded offering a contribution.

Those chewing over the costs of the project don't know it may be on an A road but it is single track in places with passing places and a long way from Jewsons.

That’s the trouble with jobs a long way out, who ever is providing the transport will have a long way back empty before they can find another job, so will add more to the price to cover this.

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[IanFraser]

I think it's not really an investment more supporting the setting up of the Aire. It does make me wonder if I would be happy to invest then find no space if we went to visit!

Maybe investors get preference, bit like the rugby/tennis debentures give priority to purchase of tickets.

 

[DBK]

Maybe investors get preference, bit like the rugby/tennis debentures give priority to purchase of tickets.

Not a chance, how would they police that with a part time warden? It's not a campsite with strict rules. It's an aire, turn up and if there's space park up. Reserving space for absent investors would go against the whole community ethos.

 

[jongood]

Send me details where I can buy mot at £10 per tonne please.

My original point was that £250K is an awful lot of money for whats actually required and that MOT (which as you know is the main constituent is very cheap. I never realised there was such a difference in price but attached is the last ticket I collected behind the car at £12.14/tonne, whwn I last had some 8 wheeler it was for my daughters place so she had the ticket for her Vat claim and I paid slightly less so about £10 per tonne

 

[GJH]

Given all the supposed demand for aires everywhere there seems to be a dearth of people willing to invest to support this project.

 

[Potty]

Given all the supposed demand for aires everywhere there seems to be a dearth of peopl willing to invest to support this project.

Maybe some are considering it but keeping quiet?

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[Clipgate]

Investment suggestions to me a potential return on capital, in this I see no evidence of due diligence to suggest anyone has a clue what they are doing.
No evidence of boast numbers or price point residence etc.
Very easy to produce figures without evidence to prove! Whatever you wish.
In short not a chance of me investing!

 

[Clipgate]

Correction "Past numbers"

 

[GJH]

Maybe some are considering it but keeping quiet?

You may be right but I'll not hold me breath

 

[EzeeRider]

There would be a more likelyhood to indicate a willingnes to invest if the facilities block was not included. I fail to see what there is to gain with this installation. I think income would be unlikely to be effected by its absence and it would give the nearby campsite owners less of a reason to object to planning permission.
ezee

 

[Westbarn1]

I’m guessing the organisers are thinking of those travellers with vans that do not have toilet/washing facilities and would otherwise indiscriminately be shitting in the woods.!

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[ManTheVan]

I wonder if an investment (or contribution) from MHF on behalf of all members might be an effective way to help the project along, as many of us want more aires and the support of the largest motorhome interest group would do much to encourage this initiative and others.

The MHF contribution/investment could be funded by asking for voluntary contributions from members to a central aires fund. £5/year from any willing members would raise a considerable sum which could be used to support community not-for-profit aire initiatives (not private commercial entities) and demonstrate that we, as users, want to do our part.

The fund could be administered on behalf of members by Jim (if he’s prepared) and a small group of other members on behalf of MHF.

I’d be very happy to contribute.

 

[EzeeRider]

I’m guessing the organisers are thinking of those travellers with vans that do not have toilet/washing facilities and would otherwise indiscriminately be shitting in the woods.!

I wonder what percentage of vans that would be, I am guessing quite small?
ezee

 

[EzeeRider]

I wonder if an investment (or contribution) from MHF on behalf of all members might be an effective way to help the project along, as many of us want more aires and the support of the largest motorhome interest group would do much to encourage this initiative and others.

The MHF contribution/investment could be funded by asking for voluntary contributions from members to a central aires fund. £5/year from any willing members would raise a considerable sum which could be used to support community not-for-profit aire initiatives (not private commercial entities) and demonstrate that we, as users, want to do our part.

The fund could be administered on behalf of members by Jim (if he’s prepared) and a small group of other members on behalf of MHF.

I’d be very happy to contribute.

You can already donate to the Road to Isles fund here.
ezee

 

[bigtwin]

There would be a more likelyhood to indicate a willingnes to invest if the facilities block was not included. I fail to see what there is to gain with this installation. I think income would be unlikely to be effected by its absence and it would give the nearby campsite owners less of a reason to object to planning permission.
ezee

I responded expressing my interest and made this very point in my response to them.

The provision of a facilities block and EHU must form the bulk of the cost and, potentially, put the development at risk if insufficient funds are forthcoming. I suggested that they consider a Plan B in that event that limited consideration of only parking, water and waste provision.

Ian

 

[ManTheVan]

You can already donate to the Road to Isles fund here.
ezee

Thanks Ezee, have already looked it up. It was doing so that made me wonder whether a group approach might be more effective for them, as well as others considering the same idea. If they knew that they could apply for support from a multi-million strong membership it would be win-win.

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[Viennese]

I have written to express interest!

 

[lamyj]

Great idea for Communities to support Motorhomes/Campervans
But don't see the need for that spec .... chemical disposal - Waste bin & fresh water is all thats required for an 'Aire'.

 

[Viennese]

I wonder what percentage of vans that would be, I am guessing quite small?
ezee

You may not be aware that the Women with Campervans group have over 21k members and many of them have small vans with no facilities!

 

[EzeeRider]

You may not be aware that the Women with Campervans group have over 21k members and many of them have small vans with no facilities!

That is 5 percent of the registrations. Just down the road Mallaig is providing full facilities.
ezee

 

[Viennese]

And they don't tend to use campsites! Just saying! It's easy to make the assumption that because you have facilities most others also have them. In addition these ladies seem to mainly camp in UK while the 'posh' vans go abroad. Many have Bongos, classic VWs, Toyotas, Nissans etc and other small vans.
And of course I suspect that there are many many others out there who are not WWC members, so we don't know what percentage of the total they are... 21k could be a small proportion

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[gus-lopez]

If you can supply type 1 for £10 a ton you could earn a few Bob.

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I pay 8€/tonne for sharp sand here.
Reminds me of 7 or ( years back doing a job here & buying cement at 1,94€/ 25 kg sack. Went to the Uk shortly after & had to do a job at the daughters in devon. Went for cement & exactly the same type & make, LaFarge, was over £6 /25kgs.I though the lad was joking.

 

[Ivory55]

I pay 8€/tonne for sharp sand here.
Reminds me of 7 or ( years back doing a job here & buying cement at 1,94€/ 25 kg sack. Went to the Uk shortly after & had to do a job at the daughters in devon. Went for cement & exactly the same type & make, LaFarge, was over £6 /25kgs.I though the lad was joking.

If someone lives practically on top of a quarry it would be cheaper as transport is big expense, but yes by and large it’s expensive in the Uk.

 

[JamesT@Dundee]

Arisaig is a lovely spot but I cannot help thinking they are aiming too high. Think they should forget starting with a facilities block and only startup with waste disposal and fresh water. Are showers and washing machines really a requirement? Most of us pay campsites for this stopping for an extended period or shower in our vehicles.
ezee

Agree to some extent. We were there last Sept (after the big summer rush). Everywhere in Arisaig had "no motor home" parking signs up (we walked in from the CL). So they must have been swamped thru the summer.
Worth remembering that a lot of smaller vans don't have on board facilities so a toilet block would be useful, and, I guess if you're building that it's more cost effective to include the showers etc. to start with.
As they're aiming for one night stays they will be used by those that are passing through. The other campsites in the area tend to be people who are staying several days.
There has also been another initiative in the area to build new toilets at Traigh (completed) and facilities in Mallaig (in progress) - would be good if other parts of Scotland would have similar initiatives.

 

[Ivory55]

Funny place building new toilets but I read on the local news that the council was thinking of closing toilets on islay due to lack of funds. I guess it’s down to if people will pay.

 

[Pickygame]

I do wonder at times why this site attracts so much negativity at others suggestions. A Community Interest Company or Community Share Company have more hoops to jump through than any scam artist would ever complicate. I see nothing wrong in a community wishing to improve its offering to the public.

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