NC 500 is the bubble about to burst!

[spitfire]

Hi Terry.
Do you know what the deal is with going to Ireland ( Eire) at the moment?
I know they are asking GB visitors to self isolate but I don't know if it's like the polite French request or a bit more.

On FaceTime with friends in Dublin last night and asked the same question and they say U.K. is on the list of countries not allowed

 

[Parrot Face]

There were millions who fought wars to make this country 'Great Britain'. The same people brought up their kids to have pride in their country and to look after it. As kids we were taught to put litter in bins etc. Now its all lost and we are surrounded by lazy selfish people who do as they please. Can't see how it can be turned around.

 

[thebriars]

Sadly, it’s very much society today.

I was following a car on a busy motorway yesterday. One hand comes out of passenger side, throws can. Driver opens window, discards paper and takeaway litter from his side. Followed by the children in the back.

Same day, some woman throws a disposable nappy out of the rear of a car. When I pipped my horn, Bloke in drivers seat clenched his fist to me !.

It’s on my dash cam and I am considering sending it to the EA.

EA? I think you will find local councils deal with this. I've caught a couple of similar events on a dashcam and they were duly fined.

 

[EuroTrotters]

EA? I think you will find local councils deal with this. I've caught a couple of similar events on a dashcam and they were duly fined.

oh right, thanks.

 

[Kannon Fodda]

It's the same mentality that means the festival goers abandon half their camping kit in fields - it's cheap to buy so easier to have new stuff for the next one that work out how to pack it up and take it home - or that after so many of the BLM protests, unauthorised celebrations for football team promotion, inundation of Bournemouth's beaches, leaves the local authorities with massive clean up operations.

Before Covid-19 the younger generation (and many older ones) were all behind Greta campaigning to save our planet. recycle everything, cut waste and reduce energy consumption. It's all gone out the window - literally.

NC500 authorities want to introduce a tourist tax. I don't think they know how it can be done, but part of the need for it isn't just to fleece the visitors, but to enable them to pay for the facilities to tidy up.

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[thebriars]

oh right, thanks.

Most authorities now have a section on their websites where you can report littering.

 

[TerryL]

Hi Terry.
Do you know what the deal is with going to Ireland ( Eire) at the moment?
I know they are asking GB visitors to self isolate but I don't know if it's like the polite French request or a bit more.

On FaceTime with friends in Dublin last night and asked the same question and they say U.K. is on the list of countries not allowed

If you travel direct to Ireland from UK mainland you are required to register and also self-isolate for 14 days.
However there seems to be a loophole. No "regulations" if you first travel from UK mainland to Northern Ireland then on to the Republic.
That's my interpretation of the various government sites anyway, regardless of the "spirit" of the rules.

 

[chaser]

Not really interested in going to Scotland so should probably keep out of this, but it seems to me the authorities were happy enough to promote this thing, which most of the population had never heard of so now they should taking responsibility for looking after it without suddenly sticking prices on it.

 

[spitfire]

If you travel direct to Ireland from UK mainland you are required to register and also self-isolate for 14 days.
However there seems to be a loophole. No "regulations" if you first travel from UK mainland to Northern Ireland then on to the Republic.
That's my interpretation of the various government sites anyway, regardless of the "spirit" of the rules.

If you are in Eire with British plates then a target for the police .
I am guessing they know as they are Irish and said there is a list of countries not allowed which includes U.K. but maybe he us wrong

 

[Minxy]

Not really interested in going to Scotland so should probably keep out of this, but it seems to me the authorities were happy enough to promote this thing, which most of the population had never heard of so now they should taking responsibility for looking after it without suddenly sticking prices on it.

What they should have done BEFORE promoting it is to ensure that the basic facilities were available on the route for all those who would use it, ie additional picnic areas with waste bins, toilets, camping & parking areas (not necessarily permanent), if they had then a lot of the issues they appear to have had would likely not have occurred.

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[Langtoftlad]

Littering has been an 'issue' for a very long time...
The government has spent a lot of money on public information films over the decades

70's






50 years ago... half a century!
So has the problem got worse, or are we just noticing it more because of the 'green' message?

 

[Minxy]

If you are in Eire with British plates then a target for the police .
I am guessing they know as they are Irish and said there is a list of countries not allowed which includes U.K. but maybe he us wrong

Hmmmm ... now does that apply to Northern Ireland plates? I have my WFZ one which I haven't put on the MH but maybe I should as we've been considering going to Ireland again ...

 

[spitfire]

Hmmmm ... now does that apply to Northern Ireland plates? I have my WFZ one which I haven't put on the MH but maybe I should as we've been considering going to Ireland again ...

I don’t know but can ask as their daughter and family live in the north . I know he said he can’t drive their car in the south . Has something to do with tax not paid on the purchase in the south .
This is because the import tax is huge ! So it is obvious it hasn’t been paid if not registered in the south .
A neighbour has just paid 40,000 euros for a 2007 Knaus !!!

 

[billym]

On FaceTime with friends in Dublin last night and asked the same question and they say U.K. is on the list of countries not allowed

It's on the UK gov website. I just wondered how or if it was being enforced

Travel is subject to entry restrictions

• All arrivals from overseas, including Irish residents, are asked to restrict their movement for 14 days on arrival. There are some exemptions, including if you are returning to Ireland from Northern Ireland or from any of the 15 countries that are on the Irish Government’s Green List.
• All arrivals, including Irish residents, arriving from overseas must complete a Public Health Passenger Locator Form

See Entry requirements for more information before you plan to travel


We ( GB) are not on the green list

 

[TinaLes]

I agree with all of that, but we have all seen that even with enough bin provision, the McDonalds/Festival culture is now being used everywhere, and it would appear they dont even realise the harm they are doing, as they may feel if someone else picks up after them, then they are keeping people in jobs!
Its surprising also to see the type of persons doing this, by this I mean parents!
The open window is too convenient for them, the litter fines are insufficient, they should be fined and made to do litter picking community service for a few weekends, that would teach them the error of their ways also.
PS: will any of us forget the picture on the news of the KFC box chucked out a car window, the very first day that they opened after lock down eased?
LES

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[Rosemary1]

Yes, Lois - it really has put me off. I think West Wales is probably a better bet for a while. Apart from mad Welsh women with wine bottles and macaroons, of course.....

That will be my sister Chris+Tracy x

 

[tonyidle]

Not really interested in going to Scotland so should probably keep out of this, but it seems to me the authorities were happy enough to promote this thing, which most of the population had never heard of so now they should taking responsibility for looking after it without suddenly sticking prices on it.

Maybe they were naive enough to think that visitors would behave reasonably. It isn't the responsibility of anyone else to keep an area clean. Fines for littering and environmental damage should be draconian and clean-up costs should be paid by the person convicted.

 

[spitfire]

It's on the UK gov website. I just wondered how or if it was being enforced

Travel is subject to entry restrictions

• All arrivals from overseas, including Irish residents, are asked to restrict their movement for 14 days on arrival. There are some exemptions, including if you are returning to Ireland from Northern Ireland or from any of the 15 countries that are on the Irish Government’s Green List.
• All arrivals, including Irish residents, arriving from overseas must complete a Public Health Passenger Locator Form

See Entry requirements for more information before you plan to travel


We ( GB) are not on the green list

I guess in British plates they can stop you . But I am bowing out from this conversation as I have from some others before the how can we circumnavigate the rules and you are talking rubbish starts .
I am sure people can check the internet and make their own moral decision

 

[Jim]

It is bad in some areas. Thank heavens that 99% of us are responsible with our waste/rubbish.

In the military if a commanding officer wanted to crack down on a particular ‘crime’ say drunk and disorderly conduct or loss of military ID, for a month or two he would stipulate those items as “Zero tolerance Prevelent Offences” Should you be stupid/unfortunate to lose your ID during this time, your punishment would be at the absolute maximum allowed by law. This practice would work, those offences would fall.

The max fine for littering is £2.5k. so making the offence prevelent for a while would really draw attention to it. A £40 fix penalty at the drive through is clearly not enough of a deterrent, a £2500 fine and your car impounded if you dont pay would definitley get their attention.

 

[Grianan]

Here’s a bit of history about NC500 - it was initially set up by Prince Charles and is now owners by a Danish fashion billionaire. I believe the original intentions were good and it brings tourist money into the area. But the infrastructure is not there - e.g. the toilet facilities and road surface are not up to the volume of traffic. Local councils have closed toilets many of which are now maintained by local volunteers. Road improvement projects were often subsidised by the EU but that money will dry up at the end of this year.

Somehow numbers need managing and money needs to be ploughed back into the infrastructure.

As for those who litter or block roads or empty their waste ... I would fine them and ban them indefinitely. Appealing to their better nature doesn’t seem to work.

North Coast 500 acquired by Danish billionaire landowner

A 500 mile circuit through the Highlands, regarded as Scotland's answer to America's Route 66, has been acquired by the country's biggest private landowner.

www.google.co.uk

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[nicholsong]

It is bad in some areas. Thank heavens that 99% of us are responsible with our waste/rubbish.

In the military if a commanding officer wanted to crack down on a particular ‘crime’ say drunk and disorderly conduct or loss of military ID, for a month or two he would stipulate those items as “Zero tolerance Prevelent Offences” Should you be stupid/unfortunate to lose your ID during this time, your punishment would be at the absolute maximum allowed by law. This practice would work, those offences would fall.

The max fine for littering is £2.5k. so making the offence prevelent for a while would really draw attention to it. A £40 fix penalty at the drive through is clearly not enough of a deterrent, a £2500 fine and your car impounded if you dont pay would definitley get their attention.

These ideas of fines are limited in the execution, because first one need evidence of the offenc actually being commited, then one has to track down and identify the perpetrator, which is not easy if he/she gives false information. A policeman has more power but the public almost none.

Then if this information is gathered by a member of the public what does he/she do? Give it to the LA or the Police and just hope they take action, or bring a private prosecution.

It is a long and tortuous journey from seeing litter to bringing a successful prosecution and a fine.

Geoff

 

[Abgs]

Id love to do the same tomorrow please send me the post code

The place in the photo is Daviot Church , IV12 nr Iverness.

 

[Stewart J]

Nice to have some positivity and truth telling.

Outdoors legend McNeish says don't blame campers and motorhomes for all the litter problems - The Oban Times

The problems prompted a conference telephone summit last week, hosted by Fergus Ewing, Cabinet Secretary for the Rural Economy and Tourism, which involved representatives from local community councils and organisations along the Road to the Isles, and which was organised by local MSP Kate Forbes.

www.obantimes.co.uk

 

[steve 6644]

These ideas of fines are limited in the execution, because first one need evidence of the offenc actually being commited, then one has to track down and identify the perpetrator, which is not easy if he/she gives false information. A policeman has more power but the public almost none.

Then if this information is gathered by a member of the public what does he/she do? Give it to the LA or the Police and just hope they take action, or bring a private prosecution.

It is a long and tortuous journey from seeing litter to bringing a successful prosecution and a fine.

Geoff

I think Jim has nailed it, there would only have to be a few monster fines reported in the media and perhaps a spot of fake news for a short time. The only way to make people care, is if it costs them something not to.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Sadly, it’s very much society today.

I was following a car on a busy motorway yesterday. One hand comes out of passenger side, throws can. Driver opens window, discards paper and takeaway litter from his side. Followed by the children in the back.

Same day, some woman throws a disposable nappy out of the rear of a car. When I pipped my horn, Bloke in drivers seat clenched his fist to me !.

It’s on my dash cam and I am considering sending it to the EA.

I would....

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[Bluemanc100]

I can't understand people who throw litter from their car windows but I too have been tempted to throw children from a moving vehicle on many occasions.

Graydo

For takeaways they need to add a unique code to identify the buyer... then any rubbish thrown out of the window can be traced back.. fine a few as scapegoats and word would soon get around

 

[Rosemary1]

For takeaways they need to add a unique code to identify the buyer... then any rubbish thrown out of the window can be traced back.. fine a few as scapegoats and word would soon get around

It would have to involve some sort of sticky tape which could be printed with car registration etc stuck onto the cup/carton .............hummmmm

 

[EuroTrotters]

For takeaways they need to add a unique code to identify the buyer... then any rubbish thrown out of the window can be traced back.. fine a few as scapegoats and word would soon get around

You have nicked my idea

 

[Bluemanc100]

It would have to involve some sort of sticky tape which could be printed with car registration etc stuck onto the cup/carton .............hummmmm

It’s easy to do.... but they have no incentive because I’m sure the vendor sees no comeback when their packaging is dropped in our country lanes

 

[Jim]

These ideas of fines are limited in the execution, because first one need evidence of the offenc actually being commited, then one has to track down and identify the perpetrator, which is not easy if he/she gives false information.

That's the same for every crime.

I'm sure that focusing on a particular crime with a zero tolerance attitude would have a positive effect. But for that you need, police numbers, court time and prison cells; unfortunately we have little of any of them.

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