Current U.K. law on up plating has been changed WITHOUT consultation

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Current U.K. law on up plating has been changed WITHOUT consultation.

When up plating from 3500kg RFL will continue to be £365 pa. IT IS NOT being reduced to the PHG rate of £165.

Secondly, the DVLA are no longer changing the V5c to illustrate your new weight. The MTPLM will remain at 3500kg. This means that if your motorhome is detected on road installed Weight In Motion Sensors - WIMS, you WILL be classed as overweight. Currently there is no plan to prosecute although you will receive a letter advising you of weight limits etc.

This legislation is causing a great deal of harm to companies such as SvTech who are currently in constant communication with HMG and it is fully expected to be escalated and discussed on the floor in the House of Commons.

However, one of the reasons why in the short term this is in force is due to the EU's 4th directive and once in place will mean that RFL will illustrate the new entry weight limit. Vans & Moho's will need to be over 4250kg in order to qualify for the reduced RFL.

The Fourth Directive...

The EU will ratify this and it will be in force from January 2025. This means that drivers with post 1997 licences can drive upto 4250kg whether EV or ICE powered. Licences will become digital and some medicals will be self assessment.

Current information from Downing Street strongly suggests that the U.K.'s original stance was to also adopt this following an announcement during the March 2025 budget. The U.K. has historically adopted the first 3 directives and will also adopt No4.

There is now however a strong suggestion that this will be announced during the late October budget and will be in place for newly registered motohomes from March 1st.

This is of course still to be confirmed.
 
Jonno1103 said:
Current U.K. law on up plating has been changed WITHOUT consultation.

When up plating from 3500kg RFL will continue to be £365 pa. IT IS NOT being reduced to the PHG rate of £165.

Secondly, the DVLA are no longer changing the V5c to illustrate your new weight. The MTPLM will remain at 3500kg. This means that if your motorhome is detected on road installed Weight In Motion Sensors - WIMS, you WILL be classed as overweight. Currently there is no plan to prosecute although you will receive a letter advising you of weight limits etc.

This legislation is causing a great deal of harm to companies such as SvTech who are currently in constant communication with HMG and it is fully expected to be escalated and discussed on the floor in the House of Commons.

However, one of the reasons why in the short term this is in force is due to the EU's 4th directive and once in place will mean that RFL will illustrate the new entry weight limit. Vans & Moho's will need to be over 4250kg in order to qualify for the reduced RFL.

The Fourth Directive...

The EU will ratify this and it will be in force from January 2025. This means that drivers with post 1997 licences can drive upto 4250kg whether EV or ICE powered. Licences will become digital and some medicals will be self assessment.

Current information from Downing Street strongly suggests that the U.K.'s original stance was to also adopt this following an announcement during the March 2025 budget. The U.K. has historically adopted the first 3 directives and will also adopt No4.

There is now however a strong suggestion that this will be announced during the late October budget and will be in place for newly registered motohomes from March 1st.

This is of course still to be confirmed.
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is it ALL of your post to be confirmed or just bits of it ?
 
Jonno1103 said:
Current U.K. law on up plating has been changed WITHOUT consultation.

When up plating from 3500kg RFL will continue to be £365 pa. IT IS NOT being reduced to the PHG rate of £165.

Secondly, the DVLA are no longer changing the V5c to illustrate your new weight. The MTPLM will remain at 3500kg. This means that if your motorhome is detected on road installed Weight In Motion Sensors - WIMS, you WILL be classed as overweight. Currently there is no plan to prosecute although you will receive a letter advising you of weight limits etc.

This legislation is causing a great deal of harm to companies such as SvTech who are currently in constant communication with HMG and it is fully expected to be escalated and discussed on the floor in the House of Commons.

However, one of the reasons why in the short term this is in force is due to the EU's 4th directive and once in place will mean that RFL will illustrate the new entry weight limit. Vans & Moho's will need to be over 4250kg in order to qualify for the reduced RFL.

The Fourth Directive...

The EU will ratify this and it will be in force from January 2025. This means that drivers with post 1997 licences can drive upto 4250kg whether EV or ICE powered. Licences will become digital and some medicals will be self assessment.

Current information from Downing Street strongly suggests that the U.K.'s original stance was to also adopt this following an announcement during the March 2025 budget. The U.K. has historically adopted the first 3 directives and will also adopt No4.

There is now however a strong suggestion that this will be announced during the late October budget and will be in place for newly registered motohomes from March 1st.

This is of course still to be confirmed.
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Annoying about the tax, however it’s about time it changed to a sensible limit.

Also means Lucy can drive ours again. :-)
 
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Annoying about the tax, however it’s about time it changed to a sensible limit.

Also means Lucy can drive ours again. :-)
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There is another thread running on this subject, and on that one it is stated that vehicles already classed as PHGV will retain the £165 rate and not be charged the new rate!

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Jonno1103 said:
The up plating is already in force.
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But it seems that the Gov't website hasn't been updated...........:confused:

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Tables showing the rates for vehicle tax for different types of vehicle.
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Jonno1103 said:
Current U.K. law on up plating has been changed WITHOUT consultation.

When up plating from 3500kg RFL will continue to be £365 pa. IT IS NOT being reduced to the PHG rate of £165.

Secondly, the DVLA are no longer changing the V5c to illustrate your new weight. The MTPLM will remain at 3500kg. This means that if your motorhome is detected on road installed Weight In Motion Sensors - WIMS, you WILL be classed as overweight. Currently there is no plan to prosecute although you will receive a letter advising you of weight limits etc.

This legislation is causing a great deal of harm to companies such as SvTech who are currently in constant communication with HMG and it is fully expected to be escalated and discussed on the floor in the House of Commons.

However, one of the reasons why in the short term this is in force is due to the EU's 4th directive and once in place will mean that RFL will illustrate the new entry weight limit. Vans & Moho's will need to be over 4250kg in order to qualify for the reduced RFL.

The Fourth Directive...

The EU will ratify this and it will be in force from January 2025. This means that drivers with post 1997 licences can drive upto 4250kg whether EV or ICE powered. Licences will become digital and some medicals will be self assessment.

Current information from Downing Street strongly suggests that the U.K.'s original stance was to also adopt this following an announcement during the March 2025 budget. The U.K. has historically adopted the first 3 directives and will also adopt No4.

There is now however a strong suggestion that this will be announced during the late October budget and will be in place for newly registered motohomes from March 1st.

This is of course still to be confirmed.
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This will presumably also give a new lease of life to the manufacturers of (slightly) heavier motorhomes who were otherwise going to be squished by a dying client base.
 
So will vehicles already classified and allocated a tax band remain at that rate? Or will they increase?

Cant see anything on DVLA website relating to this

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OK. So, what is my situation?

We bought a 3650Kg Hymer having had it re-plated to 3500Kg so I could drive it.

Will we need to get it plated back to 3650Kg?

Can we do that?
 
Jonno1103 said:
Current U.K. law on up plating has been changed WITHOUT consultation.

When up plating from 3500kg RFL will continue to be £365 pa. IT IS NOT being reduced to the PHG rate of £165.

Secondly, the DVLA are no longer changing the V5c to illustrate your new weight. The MTPLM will remain at 3500kg. This means that if your motorhome is detected on road installed Weight In Motion Sensors - WIMS, you WILL be classed as overweight. Currently there is no plan to prosecute although you will receive a letter advising you of weight limits etc.

This legislation is causing a great deal of harm to companies such as SvTech who are currently in constant communication with HMG and it is fully expected to be escalated and discussed on the floor in the House of Commons.

However, one of the reasons why in the short term this is in force is due to the EU's 4th directive and once in place will mean that RFL will illustrate the new entry weight limit. Vans & Moho's will need to be over 4250kg in order to qualify for the reduced RFL.

The Fourth Directive...

The EU will ratify this and it will be in force from January 2025. This means that drivers with post 1997 licences can drive upto 4250kg whether EV or ICE powered. Licences will become digital and some medicals will be self assessment.

Current information from Downing Street strongly suggests that the U.K.'s original stance was to also adopt this following an announcement during the March 2025 budget. The U.K. has historically adopted the first 3 directives and will also adopt No4.

There is now however a strong suggestion that this will be announced during the late October budget and will be in place for newly registered motohomes from March 1st.

This is of course still to be confirmed.
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Ours was 3650 and we updated to 4000 recently and both max permissable weight and revenue weight were changed on V5. So if you like Lenny HB when he get his done he will not get any changes on V5 and still pay higher tax rate?
 
So, if your MH has already been uprated from 3500kg to 3850kg with a current annual RFL of £165, it will remain at £165 RFL for the rest of its life, unless it’s down rated back to 3500kgs. Obviously the RFL would be subject any increase/decrease in line with the annual budget.

Looks like the real winners of these proposals will be owners of those MH’s with a GVW of 4250kgs, albeit with the increased RFL.

Is my summation correct ?

Thanks Derry

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LostInSpace said:
OK. So, what is my situation?

We bought a 3650Kg Hymer having had it re-plated to 3500Kg so I could drive it.

Will we need to get it plated back to 3650Kg?

Can we do that?
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You won't have to, no. But if the licence categories change so that you can drive a 4,250 kg van you can, in order to get better payload.

Then you would just be left with any other pros and cons of being above 3.5 t, e.g. on the continent - access to weight restricted roads, speed limits, whether you need a vignette or a box in certain countries, and so on.

Some are more law abiding than others but I generally prefer not to deliberately break laws, so I would probably weigh that up given my travel patterns.
 
DerryW said:
Looks like the real winners of these proposals will be owners of those MH’s with a GVW of 4250kgs, albeit with the increased RFL.
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Double bubble winners will be those already up plated to 4250kg GVW which will remain as PHGV with RFL at £165 (at present).
 
Brains said:
In Summary:
If I'm reading this correctly, does that mean that anyone with a post 1997 licence can drive a 4.25t vehicle ? (After March 2025?)
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If what is being suggested in the U.K. happens yes.

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It may be that if the continental EU change from 3500 to 4250 (Due to EV weights) then they will probably change road and speed limits for. 3500 to 4350 also along with standard licences.
 
On the really negative side of things, if adopted here the. That means I will no longer have the excuse of not having a relevant licence I.e D1 when telling my son that he can’t drive the van 😳😳😳
😂😂
 
What about lez charges, have they been changed in line with the weight increases - a euro 4 3500kg can was charged the same price as a car euro 4, but a euro 4 4000kg van was charged as a hgv and the difference could be quite considerably - has that been aligned to match?
 
enark said:
Lets hope so?

They did it with diesel cars, some still only pay £20
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Do t hold your breath, Mrs Westys diesel car has been £0 for 7 years, after the budget it’s rumoured she will to pay road tax, she’s not happy as she says she doesn’t wear the roads out, more like the roads wear her tyres out🤷‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Brains said:
In Summary:
If I'm reading this correctly, does that mean that anyone with a post 1997 licence can drive a 4.25t vehicle ? (After March 2025?)
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OR.........
Anyone with a pre 1997 licence can drive upto 4.25t, which would replace the 3.5t limit which currently triggers the C1 category, from March 2025?

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BikerGraham said:
It may be that if the continental EU change from 3500 to 4250 (Due to EV weights) then they will probably change road and speed limits for. 3500 to 4350 also along with standard licences.
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Along with tolls, vignettes, go boxs etc🤷‍♂️🤪🤪🤪
 
I Wonder If they will change ALL tax on mohos up to 4.25t?? Probably if they could get away with it🤷‍♂️🤬🤬🤬
 
BikerGraham said:
Normally when they make changes they are not retrospective
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You mean the oaps can keep their winter allowance then?🤣🤣🤣

I don’t trust em🤬🤬

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