Morelo For Beginners

Blue Knight said:
That's a very valid point Jim Jim and after all this thread is designed for the beginner level.

Morelo owners: Realistically though, and as per Jim's point above; can owning a Morelo be a hindrance sometimes on the continent due to its size/height or are you guys just so familiar with large MoHo's that it doesn't bother you.
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Have to admit, our RS Elysian can be a hindrance but with planning and forethought it doesn't worry us. For sure I have got into some tight spots win funny Spanish villages but only through my own stupidity.

The counter argument is the space and comfort and ability to be off grid for 10 days or more without worrying. Off grid on the continent is the best!
 
two I just had to scan your avatar to find out what was behind it ... very good, very good indeed!
 
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I think the sweet spot between ease of driving, access to sites and comfort for the wife and I is about 9 to 9.5m. Our winnie is 31' or 9.5m we very rarely book ahead for sites just taking pot luck.

The only disadvantage is as its over 7.5t the wife can't drive it, it would be nice sometimes to be a passenger.
We looked at the Morelos at the Dusseldorf show and they certainly are lovely motorhomes.
 
ceejayt said:
Have to admit, our RS Elysian can be a hindrance but with planning and forethought it doesn't worry us. For sure I have got into some tight spots win funny Spanish villages but only through my own stupidity.

The counter argument is the space and comfort and ability to be off grid for 10 days or more without worrying. Off grid on the continent is the best!
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Nice to hear both sides of the argument. Thanks so much for the reply.

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jongood said:
wouldn't it be a better idea to drop into Premium at Doncaster?

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I'll be very honest with you and say that I didn't know that Morelo vans were sold in the UK.

I've read so many posts from the Morelo Funsters stipulating that they've bought their vans abroad that I automatically assumed that no UK outlet existed.

I'm just starting out with this subject but even I'm a bit sceptical about the asking prices of those vans. The exchange rate between the £ and € screen price is only c.€1.09 which is fairly naff.

Thanks for the link though - I'll be sure to have a swing-by the showroom to have a look.

All the best,

Andrew
 
Team,

One big question if I may (and my apologies to you if I'm using the N&B vans as an example) but what are the significant operational; living capacity and overall 'Living with this van' differences between something like the following poshed-up van (Arto) and the liner in the second pic below.

A beginner like me will look at the two and think that both have more or less the same living space, equipment and overall presence but, with huge price differences attached.

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Blue Knight said:
I'll be very honest with you and say that I didn't know that Morelo vans were sold in the UK.

I've read so many posts from the Morelo Funsters stipulating that they've bought their vans abroad that I automatically assumed that no UK outlet existed.

I'm just starting out with this subject but even I'm a bit sceptical about the asking prices of those vans. The exchange rate between the £ and € screen price is only c.€1.09 which is fairly naff.

Thanks for the link though - I'll be sure to have a swing-by the showroom to have a look.

All the best,

Andrew
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Sorry if I have confused you, yes we bought at Dusseldorf but off the UK dealer, if you go to the factory showroom and negotiate a price there they will give you a choice of dealers to progress the sale and you could opt for German but that wasn’t our choice. I have just today finished buying € using Revolut and got near enough 1.18 to the pound, yes we are paying our UK dealer in €.

We bought at Dusseldorf as the factory help the dealers with a few more % discount.

Martin
 
Blue Knight said:
Team,

One big question if I may (and my apologies to you if I'm using the N&B vans as an example) but what are the significant operational; living capacity and overall 'Living with this van' differences between something like the following poshed-up van (Arto) and the liner in the second pic below.

A beginner like me will look at the two and think that both have more or less the same living space, equipment and overall presence but, with huge price differences attached.

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The obvious chassis difference is FWD 2.3 on the Arto and RWD 3 litre IVECO with 8 speed ZF torque converter box on the Flair, the Flair is on a chassis optimised for MH use with the much discussed raised and moved forward dash and driving position. Inside the Flair is a lot more spacious with storage under the floor and a big garage, of course it’s a bigger vehicle and costs more so you pays your money and takes your choice.

Martin

edit, should add that the Flair/liner class will have bigger ranks and quite possibly black tank so longer away from servicing.
 
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our first MotorhomeFun was a Flair with FWD on a Fiat engine. Our current vehicle, like the Morelo, is IVECO RWD The chassis isn’t raised and the dash moves forward. It is a completely different vehicle/experience. You really need to spend some time inside these vehicles to appreciate the difference. It is a shame you can’t have each one for a week to try it out and see if you think the extra money is worth it.

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funflair said:
Sorry if I have confused you, yes we bought at Dusseldorf but off the UK dealer, if you go to the factory showroom and negotiate a price there they will give you a choice of dealers to progress the sale and you could opt for German but that wasn’t our choice. I have just today finished buying € using Revolut and got near enough 1.18 to the pound, yes we are paying our UK dealer in €.

We bought at Dusseldorf as the factory help the dealers with a few more % discount.

Martin
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Ah, that's the final piece of the jigsaw Martin. I didn't understand the system until you kindly explained it above.

Nicky and I are intending to pop down to Doncaster tomorrow to view the MoHo's at Premium. She has promised me breakfast out so I'm already on a winner.

That said, I have more questions for you and the Morelo boys:

1. Premium has two windscreen prices on its vans (€ and £). The €-exchange rate = €1.09 so could someone pay in €'s in the UK (at a better rate) to help attain a cheaper deal. You mentioned that you pre-ordered in €'s In Dusselforf but would a UK punter be able to turn up at Premiums' premises and pay in €'s too?

2. You've mentioned that you got a better deal by ordering at the Dusselforf show but on average by what %? This is a cheeky question I know; sorry!

3. Did you lock-in the purchase exchange rate when you ordered at Dusselforf or does the exchange rate remain variable depending on when you collect the van?

Right then, that's my tight arse questions done for the day.

Thanks in advance,

Andrew
 
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ceejayt said:
It is a shame you can’t have each one for a week to try it out and see if you think the extra money is worth it.
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That's a very good point indeed. A week in each would be fantatsic.
 
I was told by a German MH dealer that she had just given a Morelo owner the same price in PX as he had paid 2 years earlier when buying a new one so no depreciation at all.

If you think of the annual price rises, a quality starting spec and, as Martin says, a healthy purchase discount, you could end up not losing too much on one over three years. There is a healthy second-hand market too. Not only those who just fancied a go in a new Morelo MH and then lost interest but also those that have money and want to trade-up every three years to get the latest model. When looked after well, they keep very nicely (as do many other brands) and people who don't want to pay top dollar, will instead consider a quality second-hand one.

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Blue Knight said:
Ah, that's the final piece of the jigsaw Martin. I didn't understand the system until you kindly explained it above.

Nicky and I are intending to pop down to Doncaster tomorrow to view the MoHo's at Premium. She has promised me breakfast out so I'm already on a winner.

That said, I have more questions for you and the Morelo boys:

1. Premium has two windscreen prices on its vans (€ and £). The €-exchange rate = €1.09 so could someone pay in €'s in the UK (at a better rate) to help attain a cheaper deal. You mentioned that you pre-ordered in €'s In Dusselforf but would a UK punter be able to turn up at Premiums' premises and pay in €'s too?

2. You've mentioned that you got a better deal by ordering at the Dusselforf show but on average by what %? This is a cheeky question I know; sorry!

3. Did you lock-in the purchase exchange rate when you ordered at Dusselforf or does the exchange rate remain variable depending on when you collect the van?

Right then, that's my tight arse questions done for the day.

Thanks in advance,

Andrew
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Hi Andrew

Pretty sure that you could pay in € on a van ordered in the UK.

We agreed the price in € and then converted £ to € on Revolut and stacked them up in a HSBC € account.

We could have locked in a £ price but the rate was rubbish when we ordered and a dealer doing the conversion is going to pay commission and pass that on to you.

We could have left the conversion till we picked it up but that might have meant some sleepless night watching rates.

Martin

edit, just to add that the two prices £ and € on stock vans at the dealer reflects the rate he converted £ at when he settled with the factory, when we ordered the rate was 1.11 so about the same as the dealer got, ordering and fixing now in £ would get you a better deal but the € price is the stable one.
 
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To add just one element to Martin's clear analysis of options you can just go to the Morelo web site and the dealer map. From that identify dealers and relate them to their presence on mobile.de
Look at the dealers with several new and used Van's for sale and then send them an exploratory email. Remember that you are approaching them in a foreign language and their decision to respond will be governed by their assessment of you as a tyre kicker. So spend some time reviewing the models and select the one most likely to suit, then examine the options list and build your own spec. Prepare a consise document, again remember that they will be translating so avoid verbosity. Also use the factory codes next to your options so there can be no ambiguity. It would be worthwhile downloading the DE price list too so you can familiarise yourself with their descriptors of the options.
Just ask them for their price and if they have an allocation that can be modified to your requirements.
Morelo dealers have a sophisticated Excel pricing tool it takes just a series of clicks to process for them and they can switch it from German to English so the codes make life easier. It allows for discounts and PX and should you be able to persuade them to send you the excel file you can configure to your hearts content. I have one but its 2 years out of date and they are jealously guarded.
German dealers will be easily prompted to a 12% disc and careful handling will get you to 15%
Germans tend to be b&w and appreciate courtesy so good luck.
Michael
 
sallylillian said:
To add just one element to Martin's clear analysis of options you can just go to the Morelo web site and the dealer map. From that identify dealers and relate them to their presence on mobile.de
Look at the dealers with several new and used Van's for sale and then send them an exploratory email. Remember that you are approaching them in a foreign language and their decision to respond will be governed by their assessment of you as a tyre kicker. So spend some time reviewing the models and select the one most likely to suit, then examine the options list and build your own spec. Prepare a consise document, again remember that they will be translating so avoid verbosity. Also use the factory codes next to your options so there can be no ambiguity. It would be worthwhile downloading the DE price list too so you can familiarise yourself with their descriptors of the options.
Just ask them for their price and if they have an allocation that can be modified to your requirements.
Morelo dealers have a sophisticated Excel pricing tool it takes just a series of clicks to process for them and they can switch it from German to English so the codes make life easier. It allows for discounts and PX and should you be able to persuade them to send you the excel file you can configure to your hearts content. I have one but its 2 years out of date and they are jealously guarded.
German dealers will be easily prompted to a 12% disc and careful handling will get you to 15%
Germans tend to be b&w and appreciate courtesy so good luck.
Michael
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Invaluable info there Michael..thank you, the timing couldn't have been better. (y)
 
triky said:
In THIS WEEK at "Southdowns" a five year old "Concorde Liner"L/Hooker,ONLY ,,,,,£389.ooo !!! !!!
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I bet it’s a lovely thing though, too big for us?

Martin

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Martin, Peter, Michael,

A big thank you to you chaps for the invaluable info which you have all supplied today; it's very much appreciated.

The figures supplied so far on the purchase costs and any losses/adjustments on a Morelo are particularly useful to me.

Nicky and I were very close to purchasing a holiday home over Xmas. She and I do not wish to become expats (the UK is firmly our home), so any holiday home for us would be used on a utilisation rate of 90-per-180-rolling days, as per the enforced rules applicable on the 1-1-2021 in the EU domain. This means that a MoHo is just as good as property in terms of what we want to achieve - no pool though.

We looked at a particular property and, as per every €100K of the purchase price, we determined that we would lose 15% of the purchase price (stamp), 5% on agents resale fees, 3% on legal fees (buy and sell combined); other costs, plus any future costs and taxes affiliated with Captail Gains or market losses in house prices during the period of ownership.

This means that per €100K of outlay we would potentially lose between 24-32% of our total expenditure over a 5-year period. (I estimate everything on a 5-year plan).

What this means in MoHo terms is that a nice motorhome and its associated costs and loss adjustments is surprisingly good when compared to the guaranteed losses with a home abroad.

It has been a very interesting exercise and I'm looking forward to our visit tomorrow.

Thanks again for your help and support,

Very best,

Andrew
 
As it happens, an Empire Liner has just pulled in next to us. It’s a big bugger, I thought a coach party had arrived. I may go and ask for a look around in the morning.
 
I always fancied a Morello till recently.Like buses not seen one for ages then two came along at the same time. Recently on the Marina next to Gibralter we had been doing the Rock and came back to find two Spanish reg Morello homes next to us. I feel less self concious now I know they are only the entry model! Luckily they were on the east side of us so no eclipse of the sun. Anyway the owners set up table and drinks marina side and sat till sunset and even wished us Buenos Dias ( it was either that or Boody Brits) but they did wave as we sat near to our M/H. 4am next day and for several minutes we thought we could here a luxury yacht leaving port. It was not till 8am when the noise started again and we realised it was there onboard generators! Lesson learned move away to another pitch if poss! Enroute to our next aires (Almeriamar) we were surprised to catch up and overtake the same two, big mistake as one of them decided that he could not let a mere mortal overtake them and kept cat and mousing us most of the way till we decided to slow right down and let him get out of sight.He was obviously the advance party as we found out later. During this trip we saw 5 more Morello,s travelling south and realised that in the richer (apparantly) southern Spain they are as common as muck! So next day at the aires (we were next to the lighthouse) we were cycling round the far end of the marina next to the boatyard( overflow aires ) and low and behold the same two were parked there. I hoped there new neighbours enjoyed the sound of generators! We breathed a sigh of relief that our end of the aires was too busy for them to get on. So the Morello of this story is be careful what you wish for.
 
Blue Knight said:
Ah, that's the final piece of the jigsaw Martin. I didn't understand the system until you kindly explained it above.

Nicky and I are intending to pop down to Doncaster tomorrow to view the MoHo's at Premium. She has promised me breakfast out so I'm already on a winner.

That said, I have more questions for you and the Morelo boys:

1. Premium has two windscreen prices on its vans (€ and £). The €-exchange rate = €1.09 so could someone pay in €'s in the UK (at a better rate) to help attain a cheaper deal. You mentioned that you pre-ordered in €'s In Dusselforf but would a UK punter be able to turn up at Premiums' premises and pay in €'s too?

2. You've mentioned that you got a better deal by ordering at the Dusselforf show but on average by what %? This is a cheeky question I know; sorry!

3. Did you lock-in the purchase exchange rate when you ordered at Dusselforf or does the exchange rate remain variable depending on when you collect the van?

Right then, that's my tight arse questions done for the day.

Thanks in advance,

Andrew
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where are you getting €1.09 from? There are numerous exchange specialists in the market where you could expect nearer the trading rate €1.19
 
jongood said:
where are you getting €1.09 from? There are numerous exchange specialists in the market where you could expect nearer the trading rate €1.19
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Jon, it was the division of the two prices that are displayed on the Morelo vans at Premium; i.e. € over £ = exchange rate.

Regards,

Andrew

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jongood said:
where are you getting €1.09 from? There are numerous exchange specialists in the market where you could expect nearer the trading rate €1.19
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Morning Jon

if it’s a stock van it will reflect what Mike did or could exchange at at the time, if it’s priced in £ he needs to cover his rate, gets messy when £ involved, keep it simple keep it €.

Martin
 
funflair said:
Morning Jon

if it’s a stock van it will reflect what Mike did or could exchange at at the time, if it’s priced in £ he needs to cover his rate, gets messy when £ involved, keep it simple keep it €.

Martin
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Hi Martin

Hows your weather? Getting a bit warm here 36c yesterday! Hence hiding in the shade at lunchtime.
 
jongood said:
Hi Martin

Hows your weather? Getting a bit warm here 36c yesterday! Hence hiding in the shade at lunchtime.
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Hi Jon

About 20 and dry so perfect for walking and doing stuff, both of us down for breakfast just gone 7 last 3 days running ? get picked up for walks at 9.

M

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