MoHo Weights

[bigtwin]

This imo reinforces my position that unless there is another towing weight limit then the plated weight is the law.
In the event of being weighed the motorhome would be weighed in total and by axle and the trailer would be weighed . The vehicles towing limit being the difference between gvw and gtw could not be ignored.

1. The capability of the towing vehicle
The chassis plate on the vehicle (see table in Section 7) states the maximum weights allowed - the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) and the Gross Combination Weight (GCW).
The vehicle handbook will either repeat what is on the chassis plate, or for convenience, might directly specify the maximum weight of trailer (eg 750kg) which is allowed to be towed. The V5C registration certificate often shows this too, under sections O1 and O2 (depending on whether trailer has brakes or not). Exceeding any of the above weights is likely to be construed as using a vehicle in a dangerous condition.

You keep stating this as though it is fact; it is not and is no more than an assumption that you keep making.

I might just as well say that the Earth has two moons; if there is one moon it is reasonable to assume there must be a second. It is not so.

It is true that the towed vehicle must also not exceed its plated weight but this is just another plated weight that must not be exceeded and it is unrelated to the GVW and GTW (GCW).

Ian

 

[tonyidle]

Realist ... have you checked if a tow bar can be fitted, assuming it hasn't got one? Some MHs can't have them due to there being no proper chassis members past the rear axle.

Mine has no chassis members for the last 4ft of overhang. The custom towbar is approx 5ft long cantilevered from the chassis. It doesn't contact any part of the overhang.

 

[Larrynwin]

You keep stating this as though it is fact; it is not and is no more than an assumption that you keep making.

I might just as well say that the Earth has two moons; if there is one moon it is reasonable to assume there must be a second. It is not so.

It is true that the towed vehicle must also not exceed its plated weight but this is just another plated weight that must not be exceeded and it is unrelated to the GVW and GTW (GCW).

Ian

The manufacturer puts a weight plate on vehicles for me and most to sensibly adhere to and others to ignore at their own risk. You do it your way and I will take the safe route.

 

[bigtwin]

The manufacturer puts a weight plate on vehicles for me and most to sensibly adhere to and others to ignore at their own risk. You do it your way and I will take the safe route.

Manufacturers put weight plates on because it is a legal requirement to do so. Those plates provide the legally required weight limits. The government guidance I posted earlier provides clarification on the very point we are discussing. There is no need to undertake a fictitious calculation to create a new limit.

Provided you do not exceed any of the plated weights on either the towing vehicle or the towed vehicle you are legal and since there is not a plated weight on the towing vehicle that STATES a towing weight you cannot be weighed to check compliance with a fictional limit.

A manufacturer might state elsewhere that a towing limit applies (and the Caravans & Motorhome Club provides guidance on this) but this information is not presented, and is not required to be presented, on the weight plate.

I’m afraid that I’ve presented as much reference material, logic, and explanation as I’m able to on this matter so I’ll have to leave it there. Hopefully others will see the clarity of the argument (supported by the .GOV information) and desist from spreading misinformation.

Ian

 

[Larrynwin]

Manufacturers put weight plates on because it is a legal requirement to do so. Those plates provide the legally required weight limits. The government guidance I posted earlier provides clarification on the very point we are discussing. There is no need to undertake a fictitious calculation to create a new limit.

Provided you do not exceed any of the plated weights on either the towing vehicle or the towed vehicle you are legal and since there is not a plated weight on the towing vehicle that STATES a towing weight you cannot be weighed to check compliance with a fictional limit.

A manufacturer might state elsewhere that a towing limit applies (and the Caravans & Motorhome Club provides guidance on this) but this information is not presented, and is not required to be presented, on the weight plate.

I’m afraid that I’ve presented as much reference material, logic, and explanation as I’m able to on this matter so I’ll have to leave it there. Hopefully others will see the clarity of the argument (supported by the .GOV information) and desist from spreading misinformation.

Ian

After all of that it still remains the difference between gvw and gtw is imo the maximum towing limit recommended by the manufacturer unless stated otherwise in the vehicle handbook.
If you wish to ignore that fact it’s not my problem.

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[Revolvor]

So bottom line is I should not have issues towing a DS3.

With this.

View attachment 316540

Have you considered the rating of your towbar?

 

[bigtwin]

After all of that it still remains the difference between gvw and gtw is imo the maximum towing limit recommended by the manufacturer unless stated otherwise in the vehicle handbook.
If you wish to ignore that fact it’s not my problem.

Your opinion will always be your opinion, no one can take that from you. ?

You are of course correct in the case where the MH is running at MGW.

Ian

 

[Realist]

Tow bar not looked at but by god asked a simple question and it’s turned into an encyclopaedia of towing bafflement.

 

[Realist]

Here’s my tow bar well made pull house down made and installed by PWS.

 

[bigtwin]

Here’s my tow bar well made pull house down made and installed by PWS.

View attachment 316815

That’ll tow whatever you put behind it! ?

Ian

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[Apache]

The 3300 is the maximum weight of the sum of the 2 axles.
The 1600 is the maximum weight on that axle, the 2200 is the maximum weight on that axle, therefore if front weighs in at 1600 then back axle can only be 1700
(as I understand it)

The two axle weights in the pic don’t add up to 3300, they add up to 3600. The max is still 3300 . They each have a max load rating which may or may not be more than or equal to the max weight. So you are correct that the loads can differ somewhat , ie the rear could have a lower load than it’s max so the front could take a bit more BUT must still not exceed its max stated load and the total Must Not exceed the stated Max of 3300.
Confused ? I am ?

 

[thebriars]

Is there ever such a thing as a simple question?

Now you mention it ..........

 

[Realist]

So what’s the towing weight max?

 

[Realist]

I just found this on the transit forums “Fords recommended max towing limits are 2000kg for transits with 6 stud wheels and 1500kg for transits with 5 stud wheels”.

My wheels have 6 studs so am I right is thinking the max towing in my case is 2000kg and my misses car is 1275kg so I’m well under?

 

[Lenny HB]

DS3......
Engine 1.6
Power 90bhp
Gearbox manual
Weight 1275kgs

MoHo..
Engine 2.5TD
Power 90bhp
Gearbox 5speed manual
Weight see plates above

With that engine I think you would really struggle on any hills.

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[Realist]

I’m not using the DS3 to pull the bloody MoHo am I it’s the other way round lol ?

With that engine I think you would really struggle on any hills.

 

[Gellyneck]

I’m not using the DS3 to pull the bloody MoHo am I it’s the other way round lol ?

But if you fitted a roof rack to it and tied the motorhome to that you'd get around the motorhome axle weight questions! You might need to blow the Citroen's tyres up a wee bitty, right enough.

 

[Realist]

Lol yeh good idea plus I’ll add bigger knobbly studded tyres as well help with the grip.

 

[Larrynwin]

I just found this on the transit forums “Fords recommended max towing limits are 2000kg for transits with 6 stud wheels and 1500kg for transits with 5 stud wheels”.

My wheels have 6 studs so am I right is thinking the max towing in my case is 2000kg and my misses car is 1275kg so I’m well under?

Well within towing limit of your mohome ?

 

[Realist]

A Frames, what’s recommended and why?

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[Lenny HB]

I’m not using the DS3 to pull the bloody MoHo am I it’s the other way round lol ?

Would probably work better.