LPG Refilling

[denisejoe]

Correct:

Somewhere within these pages you will find a copy of the internal memo.
And also the photos with the reason.

It was after a motorhome fire on a garage forecourt which did a lot of damage.

Having said which, I have found as long as you have an external filler point and just plug in and go, then you are the same as any car filling with LPG.
Those that will get into bother will be the ones opening locker doors

Our fill point is inside a locker and never had a problem filling anywhere. We always fill up our diesel at the same time so always spending a decent amount and not just the fiver or whatever on gas!

 

[tonyidle]

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Our fill point is inside a locker and never had a problem filling anywhere.

As is mine. Same experience.

 

[Jonno1103]

Jonno1103 ..Disagree... tested every 10years...not replaced every 5View attachment 615686

That maybe true for the older steel tanks built to R67 specs but the newer underslung tanks are being made from a composite in order to save weight and cost this has basically halved the 10 year figure. The best configuration would be to have the refillable bottles in a traditional gas locker.

 

[Jonno1103]

If I may, I don't believe Morrison's have any immediate intention in removing LPG from their forecourts. MFG has applied to the CMA for permission to remove their LPG pumps between 2022 and 2024, NOT Morrison's. There is a news article about it, and the way in which it has been interpreted, seems as if MFG and Morrison's plans are as one, they are not. If MFG want to fit charge points, they will need to make space on their forecourts, If any supermarkets, who also run forecourts, want to build charging points, they have huge car parks in which to do so. MFG operate a forecourt not far from me,with an LPG pump. They have just renewed the LPG tanks. It's a very busy LPG forecourt (LPG Taxis), and that's a big investment for them to make.

Out of the 12 Morrisons filling stations which offered all use LPG around North Yorkshire there are now only 4. Keighley, Dewsbury, Boroughbridge and Thornbury and these are earmarked for closure too. As said, Morrisons will begin to only refill Safefill bottles once removed from the vehicle.

Safefill Refilling Partners - Morrisons | Safefill

Safefill Refilling Partners - Morrisons

www.safefill.co.uk

The BP at Wetherby Services will soon shut their pump and the only offer in and around York will be Flogas next to Asda at Monks Cross and a private station out towards Stamford Bridge. There's no longer any available along the A64 Corridor and none in Scarborough.

 

[Nanniemate]

Morrisons Ebbw Vale told me nationwide shortage and they had not had a delivery or knew when they would have one ,no sorry we don't have any

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[CazPaul]

That maybe true for the older steel tanks built to R67 specs but the newer underslung tanks are being made from a composite in order to save weight and cost this has basically halved the 10 year figure. The best configuration would be to have the refillable bottles in a traditional gas locker.

Well I never knew that, our underslung is about 3/4 years old and is steel, it’s the 10 year check one.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Our Morrisons has never had LPG

Lucky if ours have a smile. Let alone sunflower oil

 

[Basildog]

Jonno1103 ..Disagree... tested every 10years...not replaced every 5View attachment 615686

I think you will find that information given out by that particular supplier needs to be viewed with caution
Do some research of your own before taking too much notice of a lot of what they say , they aren’t even up to date with current Codes of practice always quoting now withdrawn COP 306
Look up COP 32 for the latest industry recommendations , also the manufacturers state that the tank needs inspection and valves replaced at 10 years so economically better to renew tank

 

[Basildog]

It's true regarding Morrisons but it's not really at the pump tank filling is it as it's exclusive to Safefill and you need to remove your bottles out of your motorhome before you can fill them.

Yes, being taken over by MFG means the pumps will be removed. LPG was never installed at petrol filling station to satisfy the needs of motorhomers it was for LPG powered vehicles and that today only accounts for 0.2pc of vehicles on the road and due to maintenance and tank lifespan that number is dropping year on year...

Many of those who have an underslung LPG tank under their motorhome don't know or understand that these tanks only have a 5 year lifespan meaning that over time the at pump saving is more than offset by these renewal costs.

Government conversion grants have stopped, converted vehicles lose their warranties, LPG will be constrained in the same way as other petroleum based fuels from 2030 and Autogas Ltd has ceased trading.

The only ones left will be those owned by Flogas such as Countrywide.

It's not scaremongering, it's a fact of life.

5 year replacement of tank ?
Do you have any relevant information on this requirement.
You might be surprised how many different types of use LPG is sold in bulk for , so yes we are seeing the mainstream petrol forecourts remove their pumps but many more are available at all sorts of different businesses, fuel depots and leisure industry outlets are actually putting in new LPG pumps along with some privately operated franchises of BP , Shell etc , your doom and gloom is certainly not the case in reality .

 

[CazPaul]

I think you will find that information given out by that particular supplier needs to be viewed with caution
Do some research of your own before taking too much notice of a lot of what they say , they aren’t even up to date with current Codes of practice always quoting now withdrawn COP 306
Look up COP 32 for the latest industry recommendations , also the manufacturers state that the tank needs inspection and valves replaced at 10 years so economically better to renew tank

Wow I never knew that, if it’s inspected at 10 years and found not to be corroded and in good condition then still renew instead of replacing valves?

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[Basildog]

Wow I never knew that, if it’s inspected at 10 years and found not to be corroded and in good condition then still renew instead of replacing valves?

Here’s an article on the relevant Code of Practice.

Industry Standard Update 101: Liquid Gas UK CoP 32 - Registered Gas Engineer

Date issued: 5 January 2021

registeredgasengineer.co.uk

 

[CWH]

Here’s an article on the relevant Code of Practice.

Industry Standard Update 101: Liquid Gas UK CoP 32 - Registered Gas Engineer

Date issued: 5 January 2021

registeredgasengineer.co.uk

I'd be interested to read the CoP but at £90... hmm, maybe not!

 

[Basildog]

I'd be interested to read the CoP but at £90... hmm, maybe not!

Yes I get access to all the relevant standards and regulations through the Gas Safe resource for registered business.
It would be thousands of pounds if we had to buy them individually

 

[CWH]

Yes I get access to all the relevant standards and regulations through the Gas Safe resource for registered business.
It would be thousands of pounds if we had to buy them individually

Fortunately I know and trust my hab-test engineer!

 

[grp]

I use Morrisons brilliant and while there also fill up with desiel

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[sgl5gjr]

I use Morrisons too.... If i need to top up the Safefill...I drive in fill up the diesel ...then tell them I'm filling the safefill, hook it out of the locker....hold it up for them to see then refill it ... In St Ives Cambs.... They have had cases of traveling folk and chancer type locals trying to refill calor etc bottles with Fleabay adapters so have put a notice on the pump "fixed LPG installations only" but accept Safefill.

 

[poppycamper]

They have had cases of traveling folk and chancer type locals trying to refill calor etc bottles with Fleabay adapters

And that IMHO is why pumps are being removed, and moho'ers being stopped filling.

 

[MarionK]

Reading this and previous posts I'm amazed how far people will drive to save a few pence per liter and then don't actually need more than 10 or 20 litres. Have they actually worked out the real cost of the operation?

I doubt it. Currently our local petrol station undercuts others in the are by 0.1p per litre, but previously Painsbury's used to be 1p cheaper. I did the maths, (I am a wierdo tho) and found that the 5+ miles extra (I don't shop in Painsbury's) would cost more in petrol than I would save even if the tank were empty.
(I'm really glad our local is the cheapest, because I haven't had the time/focus to work out mileage costs of any of the vehicles I currently drive. :S )

Back to the main topic tho . . . I guess I've been hiding under a rock or something, but I had no idea it was possible to refill cylinders in this country. (Have I misunderstood?)

 

[Alcfire]

Our local Morrisons doesn’t sell LPG, or for that matter, either Diesel or Petrol (probably because there is no fuel station) HaHa

 

[peterc10]

Back to the main topic tho . . . I guess I've been hiding under a rock or something, but I had no idea it was possible to refill cylinders in this country. (Have I misunderstood?)

It is possible to fill cylinders specifically made for refilling by the consumer in the UK and most of Europe. It is not possible to safely fill a cylinder from the likes of Calor or Flogas.

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[MarionK]

It is possible to fill cylinders specifically made for refilling by the consumer in the UK and most of Europe. It is not possible to safely fill a cylinder from the likes of Calor or Flogas.

Thanks. That leads me to another question actually. Can cooker/fridge/water heaters that normally run on propane(? Blue cylinders) run on LPG?

 

[Engineer999]

Filled up with LPG at Morrisons at Cribs Causway today on the way to Devon - £0.797/l

 

[peterc10]

Thanks. That leads me to another question actually. Can cooker/fridge/water heaters that normally run on propane(? Blue cylinders) run on LPG?

Yes In the UK the LPG you buy is propane. In warmer countries it is mixed with Butane.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Used the "Autogas app" ,topped up with LPG on the way back up the m6 at Wednesbury, ,Pinfold street ,Darlaston, just a 3 mile detour off the M6. 75p per litre and attended fill. Bit awkward as had to pull in then reverse to the pump ,reversing around a few posts and overhead canopy.
Had about 5 tanks of lpg and services the local taxi community. Helpful guy.

 

[Themselves]

We have just returned from 3 weeks in the Outer Hebrides. You can’t fill up with auto gas lpg there as there isn’t any.

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[poppycamper]

We have just returned from 3 weeks in the Outer Hebrides. You can’t fill up with auto gas lpg there as there isn’t any.

Gulf... Campbell's Service Station... Cannery Rd Stonoway.. unless they recently run out.

 

[PaulC70]

Gulf... Campbell's Service Station... Cannery Rd Stonoway.. unless they recently run out.

Think they stopped doing it, but there's a place in Broadford if I remember right on isle of skye on the way to the hebrides. Plus always handy to have a space calor for these situations.

 

[peterc10]

Used the "Autogas app" ,topped up with LPG on the way back up the m6 at Wednesbury, ,Pinfold street ,Darlaston, just a 3 mile detour off the M6. 75p per litre and attended fill. Bit awkward as had to pull in then reverse to the pump ,reversing around a few posts and overhead canopy.
Had about 5 tanks of lpg and services the local taxi community. Helpful guy.

Is that at the car wash place Jim?

 

[Detnor]

I went out yesterday and had the option of the local farm supplier at 0.72/l or the Esso garage at £1.05/l.
The esso garage has one advantage, I can get diesel and gas without moving the van, but it is expensive. The farm is no frills and a rough access road, it just depends on how much I need.
Esso garage is just off the M42 J3.

 

[Peter and Julie]

Dear All. As you will all be aware, it's getting slightly more difficult to refill with LPG. Whilst I fully support independent LPG refilling stations, I would also ask those who need it, to consider, if they do not already, using their local Morrison's. I believe that Morrison's now have the largest network of automotive LPG refilling in the UK. Most LPG installations are ageing, and require more maintenance, which is costly. This coupled with the decrease nationally in LPG consumption could, in future, threaten our supply. It really is a case of use it or lose it. I currently use a Morrison's forecourt to refill. I travel the length of the country, and since Shell owned forecourts removed their LPG pumps, I can consistently rely on Morrison's for my LPG.

Would love to but most Morrisons are too small. We don't fit.

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