LPG professional (?) selling pumps to take LPG from bottles to your car tank?

[Jev88]

I apologise this is a Facebook link but I am most interested to hear what Funster has professionals have to say?

Good practice or another dodgy device ?

 

[Madcaravanner]

Err ................1 question how can bottles be cheaper than from a LPG pump

 

[Grummyb]

I cant see why you want to do it in the first place but it doesnt look like a very safe way of doing things although im no gas safe engineer

 

[pagey]

Seems pointless and maybe dangerous

 

[mackeellan]

How is the percentage of fill controlled?
I knew someone who filled his stored bottles with too much gas and they leaked into his bilge and slowly filled.
He rowed ashore, in Majorca, and arrived just as the gas reached the flame on the fridge, boom.
The coastguard took his anchor and towed the yacht to very deep water.
I wouldn't look at his product, I hope he is covered by relevant insurances. STAY AWAY.

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[Brains]

Err ................1 question how can bottles be cheaper than from a LPG pump

Run the pump the other way!

Buy autogas and fill your calor bottle from the vehicle tank!

Here is a video on how it works!

 

[Cush]

I think this one has come up before. Will have a search for the thread

 

[chaser]

Makes totally no sense, since when have bottles been cheaper than bulk at the pump.?

 

[jockaneezer]

How can it transfer liquid from a tank on its side, once it gets half empty there'll be no lpg making it to the pump ? (That's before you take any other safety aspects into consideration)

 

[Gingernuts]

I think Basildog should give his opinion!?
Alex W

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[MichaelT]

Makes totally no sense, since when have bottles been cheaper than bulk at the pump.?

If you read the link the big bottle works out at 86ppl but you have to buy a pump at £375 plus £50 deposit for bottle.

I know someone who does the same filling smaller bottles from the big ones.

Text from link below.

It is possible to refuel your LPG vehicle at home by pumping gas out of a red gas bottle into your vehicle LPG tank. This can work out much cheaper than buying gas from a forecourt.

I produce and sell pumps for pumping gas out of red bottles into your vehicle tank. The pumps run from your car's battery (or any 12v battery). I am a well known vehicle LPG conversion professional - Simon Andrew, LPGC, 07816237240, cheapmotoring@yahoo.co.uk

I get my red 47kg propane bottle exchanged for £79.50 all-inclusive. The bottled gas company come to my home, collect the empty bottle and deliver a full bottle. 1 KG of propane is 1.96 litres, so the 47kg bottle contains 92.1 litres of LPG, so this works out I pay around 86p per litre for LPG. Propane is LPG, the stuff we get in red gas bottles is identical to the LPG we buy from forecourt pumps. I don't need to leave home to refuel my vehicle, I no longer need to go out of my way to visit forecourts to refuel my vehicle with LPG.

You could do the same as me. You would need to get a red bottle from one of your local bottled gas supply companies. They do charge a one-off surcharge / deposit for the bottle of around £50, this deposit is to put people off converting the gas company's bottle into a wood burner / barbeque / plant pot / etc when it is empty, instead of doing that people are more likely to ask the gas company to collect their empty bottle if they no longer want/need it and get their deposit returned instead of turning it into a wood burner. Obviously the first time you get the bottle it will be full, so initially you have the deposit plus the gas it contains to pay for, but then every time you order an exchange bottle after that you only need to pay for the gas.

I charge £375 for the pump, plus £8 for delivery to most UK locations. These are the full prices as I'm not VAT registered. The pump pumps gas from red bottles into your vehicle tank at the rate of 3 litres per minute. The pumps are well designed, quiet and efficient. You do not lose all the gas out of the pump or its pipes/lines when you disconnect the pipe from the gas bottle or the vehicle, in fact you don't lose any more gas than you would refuelling at a forecourt. Due to some of the same clever features you also don't twist any lines when connecting to the bottle or vehicle, The pump is very portable, you could take it anywhere with you, you could even take an extra red gas bottle in your vehicle with you and refuel from that if/when your vehicle tank is empty. With an inexpensive extra 'end fitting' you could even use the pump to pump gas from bottle to bottle, so it can also be handy for e.g. motorhome users who could buy gas cheaply in big bottles and pump it into the smaller bottles that the motorhome uses.

In the picture below I am refuelling my vehicle tank from a 47kg red propane bottle. We can start the pumping with the bottle on its side but to pump all the gas out of the bottle the bottle needs to be inverted.

If you are interested please get in touch. Simon Andrew, Lpgc.co.uk, 07816237240, cheapmotoring@yahoo.co.uk

 

[Cush]

How can it transfer liquid from a tank on its side, once it gets half empty there'll be no lpg making it to the pump ? (That's before you take any other safety aspects into consideration)

In the full add it says to get all gas the bottle needs to be inverted. Not something I’d chance doing at all, in any way or form but I’m no expert.

 

[Steve and Denise]

Err ................1 question how can bottles be cheaper than from a LPG pump

47kg bottles were cheaper than pump lpg around here last time I looked, when lpg filling stations were getting thin on the ground and prices increased per ltr,
But now I have fitted a diesel heater and compressor fridge we are not reliant on it.

 

[Richard n Ann]

You don't need the pump. Invert the calor bottle, pour warm water on it and the liquid will migrate to the colder tank, you can see it moving if you have a sight glass fitted but also the pipes tremble as it flows. The vehicle could get over filled though if the 80% rule applies.

I've never done it with LPG but refrigerant is exactly the same, pressures are a bit higher but it's essentially it's the same stuff.

 

[Cush]

I think this one has come up before. Will have a search for the thread

Exploring Lighter Gas Cylinder Alternatives

It's simply easier to turn off the empty bottle and turn on the full one . Especially first thing in the morning when it invariably runs out overnights - in the rain and while I'm still semi naked in my carpet slippers :swear2: Well! That's an image I didn't need 😆.

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[Steve and Denise]

You don't need the pump. Invert the calor bottle, pour warm water on it and the liquid will migrate to the colder tank, you can see it moving if you have a sight glass fitted but also the pipes tremble as it flows. The vehicle could get over filled though if the 80% rule applies.

I've never done it with LPG but refrigerant is exactly the same, pressures are a bit higher but it's essentially it's the same stuff.

This may not be good advice for some on here

 

[Richard n Ann]

This may not be good advice for some on here

Yes, there is a risk involved of course. I wouldn't bother folks. I like to save a few bob but it really is too much faffing about.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

I wouldnt want to lug a 47kg bottle around Even just lying it down and picking it back up again for the sake of saving a few pence per litre.
I have bought lpg at 67 p per litre from the Midlands area and paid 80 p near where we live. It's not really worth the hassle or even from a safety point of view.

 

[haganap]

having read through it, and Michael ITs link and text, as well as th other comments..

I've reached a conclusion...

What a shit load of hassle to save what amounts to a few pence....

 

[Tombola]

having read through it, and Michael ITs link and text, as well as th other comments..

I've reached a conclusion...

What a shit load of hassle to save what amounts to a few pence....

And he's selling the pumps at 375.00

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[EuroTrotters]

You don't need the pump. Invert the calor bottle, pour warm water on it and the liquid will migrate to the colder tank, you can see it moving if you have a sight glass fitted but also the pipes tremble as it flows. The vehicle could get over filled though if the 80% rule applies.

I've never done it with LPG but refrigerant is exactly the same, pressures are a bit higher but it's essentially it's the same stuff.

I still do that today.

Decanting from bottles to bottles, charging stills etc.

And refrigerants these days are or contain Butane and propane

R600a
R290
R32

And so on

 

[canopus]

Only last week at my local LPG filling place, there was a mobile fish & chip van in front of me. I was amazed to see him filling 2 x 47kg red Flo Gas bottles which were plumbed in vertically in a locker. It took him ages as he had to take a spanner to each bottle to attach his filling adaptor, then re attach the hoses to his fryers.
I remarked to him “lm sure that’s illegal”, to which he just shrugged his shoulders.

 

[MichaelT]

Only last week at my local LPG filling place, there was a mobile fish & chip van in front of me. I was amazed to see him filling 2 x 47kg red Flo Gas bottles which were plumbed in vertically in a locker. It took him ages as he had to take a spanner to each bottle to attach his filling adaptor, then re attach the hoses to his fryers.
I remarked to him “lm sure that’s illegal”, to which he just shrugged his shoulders.

Which if the article is correct it's cheaper to get a bottle refill from calor at 86ppl than fill at £1 to £1.10ppl which seems to be the normal price now at petrol stations.

 

[chaser]

I just can't get away from the fact that everyone has ditched bottles for fixed self fill at the pumps because it was about half as much for the same amount of gas. Now apparently it's cheaper in bottles.
So why not just go back to bottles.
I have a gasit bottle and a normal calor bottle together in my van, last time I filled up the calor was £26 and the gasit £12.
Where am I going wrong here?

 

[Steve and Denise]

Which if the article is correct it's cheaper to get a bottle refill from calor at 86ppl than fill at £1 to £1.10ppl which seems to be the normal price now at petrol stations.

47kg bottles were cheaper than pump lpg around here a few weeks ago @ Talltrees in Guyhirn Wisbech £70.90 ea
47kg =94ltrs @ 75.4 p our pump LPG around here is £1.11

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[Ditcha]

You don't need the pump. Invert the calor bottle, pour warm water on it and the liquid will migrate to the colder tank, you can see it moving if you have a sight glass fitted but also the pipes tremble as it flows. The vehicle could get over filled though if the 80% rule applies.

I've never done it with LPG but refrigerant is exactly the same, pressures are a bit higher but it's essentially it's the same stuff.

I have been using this method for years no problems whatsoever and saved a fortune

 

[oldiesontour]

I just can't get away from the fact that everyone has ditched bottles for fixed self fill at the pumps because it was about half as much for the same amount of gas. Now apparently it's cheaper in bottles.
So why not just go back to bottles.
I have a gasit bottle and a normal calor bottle together in my van, last time I filled up the calor was £26 and the gasit £12.
Where am I going wrong here?

Price per kg ..the bigger the bottle the lower relative price...so if you want to save money get rid of the little bottles and put a 47kg bottle in....if space is a problem put it in the shower then you'll save even more as you won't need to heat water for your shower as you won't be able to get in to turn it on....win win

 

[cyberyacht]

Based on the capital outlay for the kit plus Calor bottle fee and a ball-park price for LPG of £1 per litre, you will not break even until you have consumed 3000 litres of LPG. I think I recall that Lenny HB uses around 150L pa. so it's going to take him 20 years to break even.

BTW Basildog is sipping a cup of warm sweet tea whilst the defibrillator is returned to its case.

 

[Lenny HB]

Based on the capital outlay for the kit plus Calor bottle fee and a ball-park price for LPG of £1 per litre, you will not break even until you have consumed 3000 litres of LPG. I think I recall that @Lenny HB uses around 150L pa. so it's going to take him 20 years to break even.

Something wrong with your maths, compared to Calor bottles I save over £455 a year compared to 13kg Calor bottles or £650 per year compared to 6kg Calor bottles. That is based on Calors RRP but most suppliers charge more.

 

[pappajohn]

people are more likely to ask the gas company to collect their empty bottle if they no longer want/need it and get their deposit returned

You'll be lucky.
The refund is on a sliding scale and the longer you have the account for the bottle the less refund you get.....eventually nothing.
And you have to have the original hire contract.

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